Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[sroth3839]

Agree on the reset. Build around Kai, AJ, Dwight, Carl, Quiambao, and whoever the next NP is.

We should keep the taller lineups, though, and make them versatile. Get versatile and switchable guys like Dwight, Navarro, Tab era-Balti, and other defenders like, say, Oftana, Gabe. Emphasis on defense as well.

The issue is with Chua and the PBA. Nag mamarunong masyado at pinipilit gawing PBA players as the lead.

There’s no chance they will agree to a foreign coach outside their umbrella. Just look how much trouble we had forming teams with Tab, Nenad, and Dickel.

Top Foreign coaches would love to handle our team but idiots like Panlilio and Chua are in charge of our program.

[IPC]

Or pba doesnt adjust its schedule to fiba asia cup tournament. Kbl and japan guys will be free from june onwards meanwhile pba still ongoing.

They scheduled gamedays on Sundays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Saturdays. Back to 4 gamedays a week, from 6.

Coach Tim said that the PBA ends on July 27. The FIBA Asia Cup starts on August 5. Isang linggo lang mahigit ang pagitan (Just barely over a week in between).

Honestly, it's just that the PBA has irreplaceable players like Newsome (elite perimeter defender at 2/1), June Mar (inside presence on offense, rebounding), Japeth (rim protection, bigman depth) and even guys outside the pool like Navarro (wing defense, secondary handler). That's why they're still a necessary source of talent.

[JAMSKIE]

Honestly, it's just that the PBA has irreplaceable players like Newsome (elite perimeter defender at 2/1), June Mar (inside presence on offense, rebounding), Japeth (rim protection, bigman depth) and even guys outside the pool like Navarro (wing defense, secondary handler). That's why they're still a necessary source of talent.

Makes me think, what if majority of the current Gilas players are from the B-league & KBL? What if guys like Rayray Parks, Kiefer, Matt Wright, SJ Belangel, Migs Oczon, Justin Gutang, join Kai Sotto, AJ Edu, Carl Tamayo, Dwight Ramos & KQ at Gilas instead of those PBA players? While most of these non-PBA players aren't as good as those PBA Gilas players, their availability for Gilas during the months of mid-June, July, August & early September (something which PBA don't have the luxury) could make a huge difference.

Imagine a Gilas team which can train & play international tournaments like the Jones Cup for at least 4 to 6 weeks during the months of July, August & early September. That is something Gilas cannot do if majority of its players are playing in the PBA. No need to elaborate, everybody here knows what I'm implying.

Imagine Gilas being able to hold training camp & play international tourneys for 4 to 6 weeks on a yearly basis becoz all its players play in pro leagues whose calendar are synchronized with FIBA calendar. Again this something Gilas cannot do if majority of its players play in the shitty PBA.

[ja.he]

Makes me think, what if majority of the current Gilas players are from the B-league & KBL? What if guys like Rayray Parks, Kiefer, Matt Wright, SJ Belangel, Migs Oczon, Justin Gutang, join Kai Sotto, AJ Edu, Carl Tamayo, Dwight Ramos & KQ at Gilas instead of those PBA players? While most of these non-PBA players aren't as good as those PBA Gilas players, their availability for Gilas during the months of mid-June, July, August & early September (something which PBA don't have the luxury) could make a huge difference.

Imagine a Gilas team which can train & play international tournaments like the Jones Cup for at least 4 to 6 weeks during the months of July, August & early September. That is something Gilas cannot do if majority of its players are playing in the PBA. No need to elaborate, everybody here knows what I'm implying.

Imagine Gilas being able to hold training camp & play international tourneys for 4 to 6 weeks on a yearly basis becoz all its players play in pro leagues whose calendar are synchronized with FIBA calendar. Again this something Gilas cannot do if majority of its players play in the shitty PBA.

Who are those better PBA wingmen than Parks, Wright and Dwight?

Who are those better PBA bigmen than Kai and AJ?

Who are those better PBA forward than Carl?

I think that Justin Gutang should have been a good role player than most of his counterparts in the PBA, tbh. I see SJ to be atleast a starter in the league.

What makes these PBA players better than most of our B.League and KBL players? Our peeps in the Korea and Japan have been playing 54-60 elimination games plus playoff games every season playing against imports night in, night out.

[IPC]

Who are those better PBA wingmen than Parks, Wright and Dwight?

Who are those better PBA bigmen than Kai and AJ?

Who are those better PBA forward than Carl?

I think that Justin Gutang should have been a good role player than most of his counterparts in the PBA, tbh. I see SJ to be atleast a starter in the league.

What makes these PBA players better than most of our B.League and KBL players? Our peeps in the Korea and Japan have been 54-60 elimination games plus playoff games playing against imports night in, night out.

I think the question is, who among the PBA players can or cannot be replaced with a counterpart from outside the PBA in terms of role, position, and impact?

[JAMSKIE]

Who are those better PBA wingmen than Parks, Wright and Dwight?

Who are those better PBA bigmen than Kai and AJ?

Who are those better PBA forward than Carl?

I think that Justin Gutang should have been a good role player than most of his counterparts in the PBA, tbh. I see SJ to be atleast a starter in the league.

What makes these PBA players better than most of our B.League and KBL players? Our peeps in the Korea and Japan have been 54-60 elimination games plus playoff games playing against imports night in, night out.

Let me make this clear bro, I'm referring to B-league & KBL Pinoy players who are not members of current Gilas team therefore Kai, AJ Edu, Dwight Ramos, KQ & Tamayo should not be part of the comparison. I'm just referring to Belangel, Oczon, Gutang, Wright, Parks, Kiefer.

So here's my take:
I feel there's no one among these non-PBA players can replicate a Chris Newsome as a good defensive wing. While Oftana has struggled in his shooting in the FIBA game, I feel no one among these non-PBA players can defend better than Oftana. While Oftana's defense isn't in the level of a Gabe Norwood, I think Oftana's defense is decent enough & none among the non-PBA Gilas material players can duplicate what Oftanas can do defensively. Also, while Junmar is a poor PnR defender, he's still very valuable to the team with his solid post up offense & physical toughness & he is a perfect compliment to Kai & Edu at the center spot. Sometimes, Junmar & Kai are even fielded by coach Tim at the same time.

On the other hand, I feel Kiefer does a better job as point guard than Iskati Thompson. I feel Parks is a better Gilas player than CJ Perez.

[C2Hamm]

I think the question is, who among the PBA players can or cannot be replaced with a counterpart from outside the PBA in terms of role, position, and impact?

everyone should be replaceable, even JB. you have a set of core players but team manager and coaching staff should have a plan already if someone is not available regardless of reason.
its as if we look at players not as humans. thy can get injured, they would need time with their families, they may get banned(happened already), or just maybe need some rest. its good if players still show up if they face one of these, but we should not expect it. let alone not have plan if this arise.
what i would like to see, is if CTC shows up with new plays to maximise the rest of the roster. as is, some players look quite irreplaceable because of how the offense flows and his defence that a lot of times, is putting Newsome or japeth on a particular player to disrupt the opponent. its all and good if they area available. pero yun nga, what if they are not or opponent reads this thru.
i think CTC is creative enough to make new plays but he is correct, he needs to have more practice with his team.

[Metta]

There's a saying..."sometimes the best ability, is availability."

[C2Hamm]

There's a saying..."sometimes the best ability, is availability."

in the case of Gilas, half the team is not available to start practice earlier. hehe, joking aside, I sure hope they come up with something to add some more practice time together.i dont know if Kai and JB will play. but if not, then practice is even more important to mix in whoever will take their places in the team.

[thatweirdguy]

everyone should be replaceable, even JB. you have a set of core players but team manager and coaching staff should have a plan already if someone is not available regardless of reason.
its as if we look at players not as humans. thy can get injured, they would need time with their families, they may get banned(happened already), or just maybe need some rest. its good if players still show up if they face one of these, but we should not expect it. let alone not have plan if this arise.
what i would like to see, is if CTC shows up with new plays to maximise the rest of the roster. as is, some players look quite irreplaceable because of how the offense flows and his defence that a lot of times, is putting Newsome or japeth on a particular player to disrupt the opponent. its all and good if they area available. pero yun nga, what if they are not or opponent reads this thru.
i think CTC is creative enough to make new plays but he is correct, he needs to have more practice with his team.

No chance JB or Iskati is getting replaced or benched in favor of another non Ginebra player. Unless they're really injured or unavailable.

Anyway I feel like we're almost waving a white flag already if Cone's boys aren't available.

[JAMSKIE]

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[JAMSKIE]

in the case of Gilas, half the team is not available to start practice earlier. hehe, joking aside, I sure hope they come up with something to add some more practice time together.i dont know if Kai and JB will play. but if not, then practice is even more important to mix in whoever will take their places in the team.

Yeah. If Gilas won't have both Kai & Brownlee in the Asia Cup, then the more that Gilas should be practicing. Kai & JB's absence would leave a huge huge void to the team. I think Kai has only around 10% to 15% chance of playing in the Asia Cup while JB has a much better chance.

[Silent Killer]

Yeah. If Gilas won't have both Kai & Brownlee in the Asia Cup, then the more that Gilas should be practicing. Kai & JB's absence would leave a huge huge void to the team. I think Kai has only around 10% to 15% chance of playing in the Asia Cup while JB has a much better chance.

Kai has 0% chance of playing in Asia cup. we’re talking about ACL injury.. got operated last feb so the next time we’ll see kai wearing gilas jersey is next year fiba window games around feb. we’ll be lucky if he’s healthy around november this year

[JAMSKIE]

Guys, do U think if KQ has the athleticism of a Kobe Paras he will have at least a 50% chance of playing in the NBA?

Or do U think KQ still needs to significantly improve his handles?

[Dotch]

Guys, do U think if KQ has the athleticism of a Kobe Paras he will have at least a 50% chance of playing in the NBA?

Or do U think KQ still needs to significantly improve his handles?

IMO , neither conditions will improve his chances to get a roster spot in an NBA Team.

Now, if you add 4 more inches to KQ's KBL measured height of 6'4 1/2 , but the skills and athletic abilities remain the same, his chances will improve.