Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[reamily]

Imagine jr doing ron harper things in tim cones triangle, bigger holt.. they envion as a 6'5 cariaso, he is more of a shooter rob duat..

[IPC]

But I will take this game since we saw what were the things that seemingly worked and those that were apparently not.

For one, we saw that Japeth-Edu frontline may work.

Another, June Mar is really defensive liability but really good in offense.

CJ Perez needs to be cut. His playstyle is really misplaced in Tim Cone's scheme of things.

The importance of bench and minute distribution to our players.

The importance of shooting.

The need of a guard that can actually shoot.

The need of a bigman that is two way.

These are important things to consider.

Well said bro.

CJ Perez seems to be declining as far as his FIBA game is concerned year after year. This to think that with Gilas in the 2019 FIBA World Cup, he & Robert Bolick were the best performers of the team.

I would replace Perez with Jordan Heading. As you said, shooting is very important in the FIBA game. If we look at our current Gilas guards, you got an Iskati Thompson, Chris Newsome & Perez, all of whom have questionable 3-pt shooting. I don't see any Asian & Oceanian team, in particular the top 8 teams in Asia-Oceania with that many guards with suspect 3pt. shooting. Halos lahat ng mga guards ng New Zealand, Lebanon, China, Japan, Korea, Jordan, Iran, etc. ay nakaka shoot sa tres. U can't leave any of them open from 3.

Our guards on the other hand would easily pass up an open 3 kasi nga walang confidence tumira from that range.

U said, we need a big man who is 2-way player. Oh how I hope FIBA would finally declare QMB as a Pinoy local player. AJ Edu & QMB are both 2-way players while Kai Sotto has been improving his defense as of late prior to his injury.

Whoever they do decide to add to the team, I hope they get some playing time. No point in adding more players they don't want to play anyway.

I have a needs list, but I made this in the context of JB retiring:

Shot creation
Go-to guy
Interior defender in case AJ and Kai are not in the lineup
Maybe some playmaking
Shooting
Wing who can at least stop dribble peneration, better if he can defend man-to-man

As for shooting, I can see RJ, Heading, Bolick, and Arvin. Defense will be an issue, though. Arvin plays the wing, a position that has importance on defense, I'd first look for a shooter in the 1 and 2 spots. Maybe get Carl, Oftana, Quiambao, Malonzo, and maybe even AJ to shoot better.

AJ's a two-way big, but he's not the scorer that Kai is. I do see him filling the Pingris role, as crazy as it sounds. I think I can argue that Kai has been a two-way big since the OQT, since I think Kai has been a competent defender thus far, especially for Gilas.

[zairex]

I have a needs list, but I made this in the context of JB retiring:

Shot creation
Go-to guy
Interior defender in case AJ and Kai are not in the lineup
Maybe some playmaking
Shooting
Wing who can at least stop dribble peneration, better if he can defend man-to-man

As for shooting, I can see RJ, Heading, Bolick, and Arvin. Defense will be an issue, though. Arvin plays the wing, a position that has importance on defense, I'd first look for a shooter in the 1 and 2 spots. Maybe get Carl, Oftana, Quiambao, Malonzo, and maybe even AJ to shoot better.

AJ's a two-way big, but he's not the scorer that Kai is. I do see him filling the Pingris role, as crazy as it sounds. I think I can argue that Kai has been a two-way big since the OQT, since I think Kai has been a competent defender thus far, especially for Gilas.

How many of those are our issue on Chot team in 2014 and 2029

[IPC]

How many of those are our issue on Chot team in 2014 and 2029

Before Kai came along, I don't think we've had a local at his level when it comes to scoring. Kai performed well against Latvia and NZ.

[reamily]

When you think about stats and data all gilas games are withinnthe range, you know whhen they were winning and losing.. tim loves data and he doesnt want to interrupt samples by insertions and changes in his lineup

[zairex]

After winning the Asian Games and winning most of our qualifier, some wants to dismantle the team. The sacrifices and wins this group had, for others are no bearing they should be replaced

We have only 10 days to prepare for Asia Cup, how will the new players will know the system of TC

[Rds]

I think we’re missing the fact that Kouame was our second best player in the Asian games. Kouame might not be visible recently but he was still the anchor of Gilas team that was competitive. It seems to me Edu’s various knee injuries limits his effectiveness inside. It was obvious in the WC. He doesnt go hard in the paint. Kouame not only defended for us in the Asian games but also scored inside. Something that Edu is reluctant to do and what we miss from Kai now.

It looks to me that this team isnt that good. Scottie was a minus 35, 0 out of 7 in the field at 30 minutes. Fron what I read it was with Newsome we were able to catch up. If this is a meritocracry Newsome should be getting more minutes than Scottie. Its good TC played JMF less in this game. But can we really rely on Japeth and Edu in the Asia cup? There are many questions on scoring and defense in TCs so called best 12. I hope something happens.

[ARMIR]

After winning the Asian Games and winning most of our qualifier, some wants to dismantle the team. The sacrifices and wins this group had, for others are no bearing they should be replaced

We have only 10 days to prepare for Asia Cup, how will the new players will know the system of TC

GIlas AJ who with those injuries is very limited on what he can do inside,he's better off playing the 4 spot,JMF and Japeth with his advancing age are limited on what they can do,the need for an AK34 or a QMB at the big man spot is badly needed.The team really need an overhaul,but its CTC if he does goes down hard,the fans and supporters will treat him harder than Chot for sure,if he doesn't lived up to the hype.Either die a here or lived long enough to become a villain.

[zairex]

GIlas AJ who with those injuries is very limited on what he can do inside,he's better off playing the 4 spot,JMF and Japeth with his advancing age are limited on what they can do,the need for an AK34 or a QMB at the big man spot is badly needed.The team really need an overhaul,but its CTC if he does goes down hard,the fans and supporters will treat him harder than Chot for sure,if he doesn't lived up to the hype.Either die a here or lived long enough to become a villain.

10 days prep time will that be enough to incorporate a new player like QMB

[Rds]

I think Time Cone miscalculated his success in the Asian Games. He probably thought he could replace Kouame with Edu and it would be as effective. But it looks now that Kouame is significantly better than Edu when it comes to being a presence in the paint. I don't think TC's triangle works without a big who can be effective in the paint. Without Kai he doesn't have one. We don't know what will happen with QMB's papers. They might get approved or they might not. From what I see TC's triangle requires not only an international level big man but also an international level forward to score within it. It seems to me it requires too many moving parts. Will Kai be healthy? Will QMB be eligible? Who will replace Brownlee?

I know TC likes to say he only knows the triangle. It is certainly true. But the Cone I know knows how to adjust. I always say that his SanMig 4 peat team was a deep team with two speeds. That team did not really have one particular go to guy. That's why no player from that team was a BPC contender.

I think all this 12 pool BS from Tim Cone is actually because of Al Chua. Remember when he said Balti declined only to backtrack when Delta replied that they there were never approached? That has Al Chua's fingerprints all over it. Tab had a problem of a lack of professional players. Al Chua has a problem of only going to SMC players or those he doesn't have a slight with.

If TC can go back to his SanMig Coffee team days with an 8 to 10 man deep rotation, that is a better sub pattern for a national team. Will Al Chua hold him back from getting more players?

[ARMIR]

I think Time Cone miscalculated his success in the Asian Games. He probably thought he could replace Kouame with Edu and it would be as effective. But it looks now that Kouame is significantly better than Edu when it comes to being a presence in the paint. I don't think TC's triangle works without a big who can be effective in the paint. Without Kai he doesn't have one. We don't know what will happen with QMB's papers. They might get approved or they might not. From what I see TC's triangle requires not only an international level big man but also an international level forward to score within it. It seems to me it requires too many moving parts. Will Kai be healthy? Will QMB be eligible? Who will replace Brownlee?

I know TC likes to say he only knows the triangle. It is certainly true. But the Cone I know knows how to adjust. I always say that his SanMig 4 peat team was a deep team with two speeds. That team did not really have one particular go to guy. That's why no player from that team was a BPC contender.

I think all this 12 pool BS from Tim Cone is actually because of Al Chua. Remember when he said Balti declined only to backtrack when Delta replied that they there were never approached? That has Al Chua's fingerprints all over it. Tab had a problem of a lack of professional players. Al Chua has a problem of only going to SMC players or those he doesn't have a slight with.

If TC can go back to his SanMig Coffee team days with an 8 to 10 man deep rotation, that is a better sub pattern for a national team. Will Al Chua hold him back from getting more players?

Cone has Jong as one of his main assistants,why not let Jong design an option B of offense and defense?When the triangle is getting obliterated and his pack the paint defense is getting abused,there's gotta be more options,he can't be that stubborn.I'm beginning to believed a poster here that Long Hair really holds grudges,and that might just be a reason why they're not pursuing the Kouame as a local vigorously,probably afraid Ak34 will play as a local on a Pineda or Delta team.

[sroth3839]

I think Time Cone miscalculated his success in the Asian Games. He probably thought he could replace Kouame with Edu and it would be as effective. But it looks now that Kouame is significantly better than Edu when it comes to being a presence in the paint. I don't think TC's triangle works without a big who can be effective in the paint. Without Kai he doesn't have one. We don't know what will happen with QMB's papers. They might get approved or they might not. From what I see TC's triangle requires not only an international level big man but also an international level forward to score within it. It seems to me it requires too many moving parts. Will Kai be healthy? Will QMB be eligible? Who will replace Brownlee?

I know TC likes to say he only knows the triangle. It is certainly true. But the Cone I know knows how to adjust. I always say that his SanMig 4 peat team was a deep team with two speeds. That team did not really have one particular go to guy. That's why no player from that team was a BPC contender.

I think all this 12 pool BS from Tim Cone is actually because of Al Chua. Remember when he said Balti declined only to backtrack when Delta replied that they there were never approached? That has Al Chua's fingerprints all over it. Tab had a problem of a lack of professional players. Al Chua has a problem of only going to SMC players or those he doesn't have a slight with.

If TC can go back to his SanMig Coffee team days with an 8 to 10 man deep rotation, that is a better sub pattern for a national team. Will Al Chua hold him back from getting more players?

If we fail to qualify for the WC 2027, the blame should 100% go to Chua. He is the mastermind behind this shallow pool bullshit.

If you rewatch the 2023 Asiad, that team didn’t have the triangle as their main offense.

[thatweirdguy]

If we fail to qualify for the WC 2027, the blame should 100% go to Chua. He is the mastermind behind this shallow pool bullshit.

If you rewatch the 2023 Asiad, that team didn’t have the triangle as their main offense.

Did we suddenly forget the $hit they used to pull? One player per PBA team. Greg's"Obey" shirt. Super Ubo. Lutz never playing for Gilas again after being drafted by SMB after fighting for his and Marcio's eligibility.

I don't see anybody doing anything close to what they have done to our NT now that they are the ones running things.

They could assemble our strongest NT ever but chooses not too because of what? Kai is a generational player and we're wasting his and everyone's prime years.

[sroth3839]

Did we suddenly forget the $hit they used to pull? One player per PBA team. Greg's"Obey" shirt. Super Ubo. Lutz never playing for Gilas again after being drafted by SMB after fighting for his and Marcio's eligibility.

I don't see anybody doing anything close to what they have done to our NT now that they are the ones running things.

They could assemble our strongest NT ever but chooses not too because of what? Kai is a generational player and we're wasting his and everyone's prime years.

100% they are the ones to blame for our lackluster performances.

And we have apologists here riding their dicks.

[IPC]

I think we’re missing the fact that Kouame was our second best player in the Asian games. Kouame might not be visible recently but he was still the anchor of Gilas team that was competitive. It seems to me Edu’s various knee injuries limits his effectiveness inside. It was obvious in the WC. He doesnt go hard in the paint. Kouame not only defended for us in the Asian games but also scored inside. Something that Edu is reluctant to do and what we miss from Kai now.

It looks to me that this team isnt that good. Scottie was a minus 35, 0 out of 7 in the field at 30 minutes. Fron what I read it was with Newsome we were able to catch up. If this is a meritocracry Newsome should be getting more minutes than Scottie. Its good TC played JMF less in this game. But can we really rely on Japeth and Edu in the Asia cup? There are many questions on scoring and defense in TCs so called best 12. I hope something happens.

Ange hasn't been good offensively in this year's EASL, though. Defensively, although he's been good, he made mistakes in MERALCO's game against New Taipei.