Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[thatweirdguy]

Why is Malonzo there? Shouldnt he just be rehabbing amd preparing for the next Gins game?

Getting some reps in? Gins need him lol

[sroth3839]

Why is Malonzo there? Shouldnt he just be rehabbing amd preparing for the next Gins game?

Because he's a Gin and we all know this new program has a bias towards SMC players.

I used to like Oftana for Gilas. But now I’d rather try KQ and to some extent, Tamayo, at the 3. Ramos remains our steadiest option at the position and should command the bulk of the 3 minutes anyway. Idk, but with Heading you add a steadier playmaker and shooter, things we evidently miss. It doesn’t matter if they’re not playing the same position, if it were me calling the shots, I’d make that switch asap.

Navarro is the obvious next choice for the 3. We already know what he can provide.

SJ, RJ, JD, and even Kiefer can do a better job at the PG position than Perez. Any one of those guys can work.

Heading should be our primary shooter. This is a given. We don't have any other shooters besides Ramos and Brownlee in the current lineup.

[ARMIR]

Because he's a Gin and we all know this new program has a bias towards SMC players.



Navarro is the obvious next choice for the 3. We already know what he can provide.

SJ, RJ, JD, and even Kiefer can do a better job at the PG position than Perez. Any one of those guys can work.

Heading should be our primary shooter. This is a given. We don't have any other shooters besides Ramos and Brownlee in the current lineup.

This team would be much steadier if Bolick instead of Perez and addons like Heading and Balti,will be more competitive if AK34 and QMB are locals.

[thatweirdguy]

Maybe we're being over reliant on JB now? Is he becoming TC's crutch like Castro/Blatche was for Chot.
Yeah he solves a lot of our problems but a supposedly non bearing game again is the perfect place to get some reps in for the younger guys.

[ja.he]

Maybe we're being over reliant on JB now? Is he becoming TC's crutch like Castro/Blatche was for Chot.
Yeah he solves a lot of our problems but a supposedly non bearing game again is the perfect place to get some reps in for the younger guys.

Yeah, we overrelied on Brownlee in this game. 39 out of 84 points of Gilas speaks volumes on two things - (1) overreliance on one player and (2) the quality of locals that we have.

Anyway, all is not lost for Tim Cone just yet. He just needs to tweak his system as well as his personnel since, obviously, there are players that should not be in the line-up in the first place.

[C2Hamm]

Yeah, we overrelied on Brownlee in this game. 39 out of 84 points of Gilas speaks volumes on two things - (1) overreliance on one player and (2) the quality of locals that we have.

Anyway, all is not lost for Tim Cone just yet. He just needs to tweak his system as well as his personnel since, obviously, there are players that should not be in the line-up in the first place.

I have posted before, when the NT coach comes from PBA, in times of need they will rely on their import. NP in this case. Blatche, Clarkson, Brownlee, and eventually Boatwright or whoever they get. that is ok in the PBA, since opposing teams would have only 1 import as well and you know how strong each team is. but that will not always work in the international scene.

I actually think we are seeing a good step up with local talent. but then other countries are also improving. that CT team didnt have the HInton Bros. the younger Hinton looks like he would be JB like given enough experience. eventually, CT will parade 1 real NP, 2 PBA import level player (HInton and Al Bachir) and the Hinton bro who looks just 1 step behind his younger bro. so we really need to accelerate our locals even more.

I believe in CTC as a coach. he needs more reps and really need to try other players just to see who fits his system better and if he can use same players to expand his system. but whatever political obstacle GIlas is facing as a team within the Philippine environment is really frustrating as a fan.

[Rds]

This game looked ugly to me because we were depending on one guy. I thought one advantage of JB over JC was he would make the team look better and not take all the shots. Guess what JB took most of the shots and scored almost half of the points. Is this really a system or TC is using JB as a crutch?

Many like Scottie but it’s obvious that he is not a playmaker or a scorer. I would like some guards who actually can break down defense and can actually shoot without hesitation. Bollick comes to mind as playmaker and Heading as shooter.

Second, it seems we’ve got a mismatch in talent and triangle. As I watched some shows and from what I saw before, the triangle is a big man’s system. That is why we’re so dependent on JF even when he probably is the reason for a lot defensive lapses. Also, it looks like Edu is not a post guy. Given his injury history it is not surprising. He is more of a PNR kind of guy.

Without Kai, do we still stick with the triangle? Can it even work wiht just Edu? The early returns seems no.

Third, other guard scoring. Newsome is a good defender but has an awkward release. This makes him a reluctant shooter. CJ is a reluctant shooter without proper screens. His favorite layups dont go in at this level. He has no mid-range. And his defense disappears at times. Why not try Winston? Has a mid range. Plays better defense than CJ.

4th, over all defense. Our guards Scottie and Newsome are more defenders than scorers. But our forwards are more scorers than defenders. Let’s not talk about Malonzo because he shouldnt be playing for the national when he is still not 100%. KQ is not the smoothest of perimeter defenders even with his length. Oftana, some say is decent but I would argue Navarro is still the better defender. Taller and smoother laterals. Same goes for Carl. In fairness, in the plays that I saw he did not look bad. But would it really hurt to see better rim protection at the 4 position with Baltazar, particularly when Edu is our only reliable rim protector?

[IPC]

We need someone who can bring the ball up under pressure. That doesn't necessarily have to come from the point guard spot.

I am also curious to this. It seems to me this is a weakness of the triangle. Your bigs cant help screen in the back court because they are in post position on the other side. Your 3 can help but we dont want JB to do that. Which potential SF can help up us bring the ball?

Do we have such player right now?

We all know how susceptible CJ Perez & at times Iskati Thompson bringing the ball under pressure. We've seen that during the Gilas-Angola game in the 2023 FIBA World Cup. Guess who did better bringing the ball up under pressure in that game? It was among the most hated Gilas player in recent years - Kiefer Ravena.

Right now, Carl, Arvin, Gabe, and Navarro are the notable forwards I saw that had the occasional duty of bringing up the ball. In the past, JDV also brought up the ball.

[JAMSKIE]

Right now, Carl, Arvin, Gabe, and Navarro are the notable forwards I saw that had the occasional duty of bringing up the ball. In the past, JDV also brought up the ball.

This is when we really missed players like Gabe Norwood & Rayray Parks. These players can really help our point guards bring the ball even under backcourt pressure. Park & Norwood are among the most versatile players to have ever played for our national team. Parks problem is his inconsistent willingness to play for the national team.

[IPC]

This game looked ugly to me because we were depending on one guy. I thought one advantage of JB over JC was he would make the team look better and not take all the shots. Guess what JB took most of the shots and scored almost half of the points. Is this really a system or TC is using JB as a crutch?

Many like Scottie but it’s obvious that he is not a playmaker or a scorer. I would like some guards who actually can break down defense and can actually shoot without hesitation. Bollick comes to mind as playmaker and Heading as shooter.

Second, it seems we’ve got a mismatch in talent and triangle. As I watched some shows and from what I saw before, the triangle is a big man’s system. That is why we’re so dependent on JF even when he probably is the reason for a lot defensive lapses. Also, it looks like Edu is not a post guy. Given his injury history it is not surprising. He is more of a PNR kind of guy.

Without Kai, do we still stick with the triangle? Can it even work wiht just Edu? The early returns seems no.

Third, other guard scoring. Newsome is a good defender but has an awkward release. This makes him a reluctant shooter. CJ is a reluctant shooter without proper screens. His favorite layups dont go in at this level. He has no mid-range. And his defense disappears at times. Why not try Winston? Has a mid range. Plays better defense than CJ.

4th, over all defense. Our guards Scottie and Newsome are more defenders than scorers. But our forwards are more scorers than defenders. Let’s not talk about Malonzo because he shouldnt be playing for the national when he is still not 100%. KQ is not the smoothest of perimeter defenders even with his length. Oftana, some say is decent but I would argue Navarro is still the better defender. Taller and smoother laterals. Same goes for Carl. In fairness, in the plays that I saw he did not look bad. But would it really hurt to see better rim protection at the 4 position with Baltazar, particularly when Edu is our only reliable rim protector?

If we look at the Bulls championship teams, they also had bigs who could be threats in the post. Bill Cartwright and Horace Grant in the first three-peat, and Luc Longley in the second three-peat.

[Silent Killer]

If we look at the Bulls championship teams, they also had bigs who could be threats in the post. Bill Cartwright and Horace Grant in the first three-peat, and Luc Longley in the second three-peat.

and in triangle system, you need a better shooting PG.. iskati is the first PG under cone triangle system that is bad shooter.. he can do intangible things but in a triangle, a PG should be a good shooter.. Cortez, barroca, Flying A are good shooting PG

If we go NBA, shaw, fisher, kerr, paxson, sasha vujacic are good shooting PG in a triangle system..

[Rds]

If we look at the Bulls championship teams, they also had bigs who could be threats in the post. Bill Cartwright and Horace Grant in the first three-peat, and Luc Longley in the second three-peat.

Yes. But you can't do that in the NBA right now. Passes to the post are hard to do. Heck you rarely see even the best bigs like Jokic, Embid and Davis seal their man. The deeper the post the more dangerous it is to pass. They typically start at the elbow. A position that JMF is not comfortable with as he likes a single power dribble move at this stage. Secondly, the Fiba court and 3 pt line is shorter. So the spacing is not as good. I don't recall where Jokic positions himself in the Fiba game. Even in Fiba I don't remember many postups. IRC PNR and pick and pop ups are more popular.

[BJ_Reloaded]

kids like JJ Mandaquit and Dylan Harper are a perfect scoring PG without compromising the overall system of the team e.g. ball movement/contribution because of their high BBIQ

unfortunately they are still ineligible in the Senior level.

we will see the playmaking skills of the JJ kid on next month's NBTC Live Games.

Andy Gemao has the potential but he is still a baby...aside from him I haven't seen any local born ballers who can be the next Gilas PG.

[reamily]

Imagine jr doing ron harper things in tim cones triangle

[reamily]

Imagine jr doing ron harper things in tim cones triangle, bigger holt.. they envion as a 6'5 cariaso, he is more of a shooter rob duat