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  • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
    If Tolentino doesn't get drafted in the NBA. He will likely start loving Diwata Pares. hahaha
    Getting creppier about your post in regards to sage.
    Philippine Malditas to FIFA Womens World Cup 2023

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    • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
      If Tolentino doesn't get drafted in the NBA. He will likely start loving Diwata Pares. hahaha
      If Sage does not transfer to a Philippine University this year then I think SBP will be having difficulties of tapping him to play as FIBA recognised natural- born Filipino citizen. He was born on Jan. 1, 2003. So his time is almost up to switch…

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      • FIBA's rule upon reaching the age of 23..

        FIBA Internal Regulation – Book 3(rev. 26 March 22)

        Chapter 1: Eligibility, National Status and Availability of Players
        19 a. A player who has transferred as a young player according to articles 3-74 may not choose to play for the national team of any country other than the country from which the player transferred, until the player has reached the age of twenty-three(23).
        b. The Secretary General may, in his sole discretion, partially or entirely lift the restriction of 3.19.a in exceptional circumstances, which may include, without limitation, the following:
        ii. The player had two (2) or more nationalities (and was in possession of the relevant passports) at the time of the initial transfer.

        Players with Previous Registrations
        74. If the young player’s proposed international transfer is linked to basketball, FIBA shall take the following criteria into account when making a decision on the letter of clearance(no administrative fee will be charged):
        e. The young player, the young player’s parents, the new club and the new National Member Federation shall declare in writing that (i) they have read and understood the conditions of Article 3-19 and that (ii) until the player’s twenty third (23rd) birthday, the player shall make himself or herself available for the national team of the country from which the player transferred, unless otherwise decided by the Secretary General as per article 3-19 and if necessary, for the preparation time as well as for the training camps provided that they do not interfere with school activities

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        • I think one of the significant edge of Gilas over most Asian countries, especially teams from the Middle East, is bench depth. Depth in line-up may not matter that much in a window qualifier (2 lang naman yung games na paglalaruan), but I think it is going to matter much in a tournament proper like this year's FIBA Asia Cup where a national team can play as many as 7 games in the tournament.

          About 6 or 7 years ago, Gilas is shallow in the big man position, plus we didn't have enough good size wingmen. Things are different now with the emergence of young & very promising bigs like Kai Sotto, AJ Edu, Ange Kouame (though he's considered a naturalized player at present) & hopefully QMB. Then there's the proliferation of 6-foot-5/6-foot-6/-foot-7 wingmen & combo forwards like Dwight Ramos, Oftana, Malonzo, Tamayo.
          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
            I think one of the significant edge of Gilas over most Asian countries, especially teams from the Middle East, is bench depth. Depth in line-up may not matter that much in a window qualifier (2 lang naman yung games na paglalaruan), but I think it is going to matter much in a tournament proper like this year's FIBA Asia Cup where a national team can play as many as 7 games in the tournament.

            About 6 or 7 years ago, Gilas is shallow in the big man position, plus we didn't have enough good size wingmen. Things are different now with the emergence of young & very promising bigs like Kai Sotto, AJ Edu, Ange Kouame (though he's considered a naturalized player at present) & hopefully QMB. Then there's the proliferation of 6-foot-5/6-foot-6/-foot-7 wingmen & combo forwards like Dwight Ramos, Oftana, Malonzo, Tamayo.

            Coach Toroman said the Philippines can field multiple national teams without draining the talent

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            • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
              I think one of the significant edge of Gilas over most Asian countries, especially teams from the Middle East, is bench depth. Depth in line-up may not matter that much in a window qualifier (2 lang naman yung games na paglalaruan), but I think it is going to matter much in a tournament proper like this year's FIBA Asia Cup where a national team can play as many as 7 games in the tournament.

              About 6 or 7 years ago, Gilas is shallow in the big man position, plus we didn't have enough good size wingmen. Things are different now with the emergence of young & very promising bigs like Kai Sotto, AJ Edu, Ange Kouame (though he's considered a naturalized player at present) & hopefully QMB. Then there's the proliferation of 6-foot-5/6-foot-6/-foot-7 wingmen & combo forwards like Dwight Ramos, Oftana, Malonzo, Tamayo.
              We're thin at center, I think. For now, we just have Kai, AJ, June Mar, and Japeth. Ange is naturalized. QMB is unsure.

              At 4, we have AJ, Carl, Mason, Troy, and Balti. JB's a small ball 4 and is naturalized. If only we could find more.

              1, 2, and 3, I think we have good depth.

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              • Originally posted by Athrunzala View Post


                Coach Toroman said the Philippines can field multiple national teams without draining the talent
                I think coach Rajko Toroman made that statement around 2012 to 2013. At that time, while Philippine basketball is deep in the 1, 2 & 3 positions (though we didn't have enough good size small forwards at that time), we were shallow at the big men positions. After Junmar & Japeth, wala na tayong reliable 6-foot-9 & above big men. Remember that Greg Slaughter at that time was still FIBA ineligible. Asi Taulava was already old.
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • Originally posted by IPC View Post

                  We're thin at center, I think. For now, we just have Kai, AJ, June Mar, and Japeth. Ange is naturalized. QMB is unsure.

                  At 4, we have AJ, Carl, Mason, Troy, and Balti. JB's a small ball 4 and is naturalized. If only we could find more.

                  1, 2, and 3, I think we have good depth.
                  Well, if we compare that to most Asian national teams, I think they won't be any better than us. I don't think teams like South Korea, Japan (which is weak at the center spot if without their NP), Iran, Jordan, Lebanon have deeper frontline than us.
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                    I think coach Rajko Toroman made that statement around 2012 to 2013. At that time, while Philippine basketball is deep in the 1, 2 & 3 positions (though we didn't have enough good size small forwards at that time), we were shallow at the big men positions. After Junmar & Japeth, wala na tayong reliable 6-foot-9 & above big men. Remember that Greg Slaughter at that time was still FIBA ineligible. Asi Taulava was already old.
                    Same sentiments by Mark Dickel​, the top 50 players of PBA can play in NZBL. Tab also said we can be top 15 in the world with our talent. Its the other factors that is difficult to bring us up to that level

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                    • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                      I think coach Rajko Toroman made that statement around 2012 to 2013. At that time, while Philippine basketball is deep in the 1, 2 & 3 positions (though we didn't have enough good size small forwards at that time), we were shallow at the big men positions. After Junmar & Japeth, wala na tayong reliable 6-foot-9 & above big men. Remember that Greg Slaughter at that time was still FIBA ineligible. Asi Taulava was already old.
                      The same sentiments were expressed by Mark Dickel, who said that the top 50 players of PBA can play in NZBL. Tab also said we can be in the top 15 globally with our talent. It's the other factors that make it difficult to bring us up to that level without proper training and preparation.

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                      • Originally posted by zairex View Post

                        The same sentiments were expressed by Mark Dickel, who said that the top 50 players of PBA can play in NZBL. Tab also said we can be in the top 15 globally with our talent. It's the other factors that make it difficult to bring us up to that level without proper training and preparation.
                        Top 15 without anything close to an NBA player? I doubt that.

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                        • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post

                          Top 15 without anything close to an NBA player? I doubt that.
                          Our NPs are though technically.. Also he didn't say right now. Who knows what's gonna happen in the next 50 years or so. Maybe they'll be more lenient on mixed bloods. Top 25 imo is more believable

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                          • Originally posted by Metta View Post
                            Finally, someone mentioned KQs wingspan. According to Baek 6'10".

                            That plus big hands.

                            That crazy wingspan is more useful than an extra 1-2 inches of head height.
                            That wingspan will enable him to defend bigger players better, at least, especially at the forward spots. He will need strength also for that, though.

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                            • Originally posted by IPC View Post

                              That wingspan will enable him to defend bigger players better, at least, especially at the forward spots. He will need strength also for that, though.
                              For perspective, the 6'7 Korean star in his team has a 6'8 wingspan. So even if that guy has 3 inches on him, KQ can reach better than him.

                              Majority of the time on defense, you're defending horizontally/laterally with arms sideways, where the top of your head reaches when you stand up straight doesn't matter. Then when you contest the shot, you use your arms/hands not you're forehead.

                              On offense, big hands (with soft touch) and long arms also makes things easier.

                              And strength can be improved, but length can not.

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                              • Originally posted by Metta View Post

                                For perspective, the 6'7 Korean star in his team has a 6'8 wingspan. So even if that guy has 3 inches on him, KQ can reach better than him.

                                Majority of the time on defense, you're defending horizontally/laterally with arms sideways, where the top of your head reaches when you stand up straight doesn't matter. Then when you contest the shot, you use your arms/hands not you're forehead.

                                On offense, big hands (with soft touch) and long arms also makes things easier.

                                And strength can be improved, but length can not.
                                I agree. I am a wingspan over height guy. However, there is one case where wingspan is minimized a bit that is the post. As I’ve seen in two games now KQs wingspan is countered a bit by a stronger taller guy in the post. I think his team also sees this. I believe they will try to train him more as an SF. It will be a big challenge though. They failed when they tried to train Dave from an SF to a guard.

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