Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[live_evil]

Since the next windows are no bearing games, that is the time when Cone should be including future members like Balti, Heading, or an eligible QMB. There is absolutely no sense in arguing that Troy knows the system because he will not be there in the next few years. Career is now downhill, undersized, and disappointed in FIBA before. He is only good for the Asean level.

[FilWelsh]

If it's coming down to Troy vs Balti, I also want Balti on the team more but i don't think it's gonna matter that much, especially this upcoming window. Their size is not far off, Balti has more length but Troy has more mass. Balti has the better skillset, but Troy is ahead by a couple months in terms of learning the system. Balti has better rim protection but I think Troy is a better wing defender and has his experience against PBA imports.

If I am Coach Tim, i will pick Troy as well not only because it makes my job easier but because of potential impact on my local club as well (improved confidence on Troy, more experience on the system, etc).

The rift against the Pineda group is probably just cherry on top.

Same here, Tim Cone should stick with Troy,.,. It’s just 2 games anyway.

[IPC]

I'm also all for developing our younger players as I've always advocated for levelling up. For me, young Gilas prospects should have their own team where they will have a chance to play a lot of minutes and not just be token bench guys on the A team.

So what's the age cutoff for the young team? Hahahahahaha.

[lurklurk]

Since the next windows are no bearing games, that is the time when Cone should be including future members like Balti, Heading, or an eligible QMB. There is absolutely no sense in arguing that Troy knows the system because he will not be there in the next few years. Career is now downhill, undersized, and disappointed in FIBA before. He is only good for the Asean level.

Balti, Heading and QMB are NOT future members as far as Tim Cone is concerned. Those 3 are just fan favorites in the real world.

It makes perfect sense to argue that Troy knows the system because it will make life easier for the coaching staff. Learning the triangle offense is very important for this team as it allows them to execute better, utilize the nuances of the offense better and implement more advanced concepts.

Cons of introducing a Triangle Offense beginner:
- Team will go back to rudimentary level of the offense, most likely won't work against a team like New Zealand
- Team will not be able to utilize the window to implement advanced concepts they can use in the world stage
- Coaching staff needs to allocate time and resources to get the new guy up to speed in terms of knowledge of the system, habits and reads

Career is now downhill -- wrong, career is in resurgence as a defensive stopper with the Ginebra ballclub
Undersized -- as a 4/5 yes, but as a 4/3, 6'6 - 6'7 is perfectly appropriate
Disappointment in FIBA before -- different offense, but moot point because it doesnt matter. Junmar has been a disappointment in FIBA before. So has Kai, Scottie and Japeth at one point.

[lurklurk]

So what's the age cutoff for the young team? Hahahahahaha.

Probably good for 2 to 3 World Cup/Olympic cycles.

[lurklurk]

Balti, Heading and QMB are NOT future members as far as Tim Cone is concerned. Those 3 are just fan favorites in the real world.

It makes perfect sense to argue that Troy knows the system because it will make life easier for the coaching staff. Learning the triangle offense is very important for this team as it allows them to execute better, utilize the nuances of the offense better and implement more advanced concepts.

Cons of introducing a Triangle Offense beginner:
- Team will go back to rudimentary level of the offense, most likely won't work against a team like New Zealand
- Team will not be able to utilize the window to implement advanced concepts they can use in the world stage
- Coaching staff needs to allocate time and resources to get the new guy up to speed in terms of knowledge of the system, habits and reads

Career is now downhill -- wrong, career is in resurgence as a defensive stopper with the Ginebra ballclub
Undersized -- as a 4/5 yes, but as a 4/3, 6'6 - 6'7 is perfectly appropriate
Disappointment in FIBA before -- different offense, but moot point because it doesnt matter. Junmar has been a disappointment in FIBA before. So has Kai, Scottie and Japeth at one point.

If we're gonna bring in a new player, he should be worth it to invest time and effort of the coaching staff. Starter-level type or at least someone who can replace a current starter.

[IPC]

Probably good for 2 to 3 World Cup/Olympic cycles.

If we're going the max of 3 FIBA World Cup/Olympic cycles, that's 2039/2040 if we're not including this one.

If we're going for 2 WC/Olympic cycles, that's 2035/2036 if we don't include this one.

If we don't include this cycle, I guess a general birth year range of 2000 or later?

[JAMSKIE]

Balti, Heading and QMB are NOT future members as far as Tim Cone is concerned. Those 3 are just fan favorites in the real world.

It makes perfect sense to argue that Troy knows the system because it will make life easier for the coaching staff. Learning the triangle offense is very important for this team as it allows them to execute better, utilize the nuances of the offense better and implement more advanced concepts.

Cons of introducing a Triangle Offense beginner:
- Team will go back to rudimentary level of the offense, most likely won't work against a team like New Zealand
- Team will not be able to utilize the window to implement advanced concepts they can use in the world stage
- Coaching staff needs to allocate time and resources to get the new guy up to speed in terms of knowledge of the system, habits and reads

Career is now downhill -- wrong, career is in resurgence as a defensive stopper with the Ginebra ballclub
Undersized -- as a 4/5 yes, but as a 4/3, 6'6 - 6'7 is perfectly appropriate
Disappointment in FIBA before -- different offense, but moot point because it doesnt matter. Junmar has been a disappointment in FIBA before. So has Kai, Scottie and Japeth at one point.

When Gilas players Kai Sotto, Dwight Ramos, Tamayo, Newsome, CJ Perez had their initial practices & games with Gilas under coach Tim, na master ba nila yung triangle kaagad-agad? Were they able to execute the triangle as good as Ginebra Gilas players like Iskati Thompson, Brownlee, Malonzo & Japeth?

My point here is, it's a process that takes time. Remember, this is a 4-year program. The more these non-Ginebra Gilas players practice & play actual games with Gilas under coach Tim, the more they learn, assimilate & grasp the triangle.

If for instance I have to choose between an LA Tenorio & Schonny Winston for Gilas service under a 4-year program, I'll take Schonny Winston hands down. LA Tenorio may have the edge over Winston becoz of his strong familiarity with the triangle, but it's inevitable that for instance Winston is named to the Gilas pool, he'll learn the X & O's of the triangle as he practices more, & play more games with Gilas. It will just be a matter of time before everybody gets good grasp of the triangle.

[Rds]

Who knows Troy after like 8 years becomes finally effective in Fiba. It is possible. You know what else is missing? Shooting. This Gilas team lacks shooting but no Heading. Heading unlike Balti has a fully formed international resume. But I guess it will take for Gilas to flounder shooting-wise before TC even considers Heading. Or Troy flounders enough to force TC to get another big, well not named Baltazar. We have a lot of TC apologizers even today. But if Gilas flounders and TC still sticks to not choosing the obvious options public pressure will surely increase. At this point Erram has a better chance of being picked than Balti and people will say nothing is wrong with that.

[IPC]

Who knows Troy after like 8 years becomes finally effective in Fiba. It is possible. You know what else is missing? Shooting. This Gilas team lacks shooting but no Heading. Heading unlike Balti has a fully formed international resume. But I guess it will take for Gilas to flounder shooting-wise before TC even considers Heading. Or Troy flounders enough to force TC to get another big, well not named Baltazar. We have a lot of TC apologizers even today. But if Gilas flounders and TC still sticks to not choosing the obvious options public pressure will surely increase. At this point Erram has a better chance of being picked than Balti and people will say nothing is wrong with that.

And Erram's retired from Gilas.

https://sports.inquirer.net/523394/poy-erram-retires-from-gilas-pilipinas-but-keeps-door-open

[IPC]

Who knows Troy after like 8 years becomes finally effective in Fiba. It is possible. You know what else is missing? Shooting. This Gilas team lacks shooting but no Heading. Heading unlike Balti has a fully formed international resume. But I guess it will take for Gilas to flounder shooting-wise before TC even considers Heading. Or Troy flounders enough to force TC to get another big, well not named Baltazar. We have a lot of TC apologizers even today. But if Gilas flounders and TC still sticks to not choosing the obvious options public pressure will surely increase. At this point Erram has a better chance of being picked than Balti and people will say nothing is wrong with that.

And about Troy, I actually blame TNT for not developing him properly. Too much emphasis on his shooting, not enough emphasis on his defense. I mean, became a better defender in Blackwater and Ginebra, whereas in TNT, his defense wasn't as notable.

With his physical tools, he should have been a better defender. Had he been a better defender earlier on, his poor shooting performances would have been better compensated.

[sroth3839]

And about Troy, I actually blame TNT for not developing him properly. Too much emphasis on his shooting, not enough emphasis on his defense. I mean, became a better defender in Blackwater and Ginebra, whereas in TNT, his defense wasn't as notable.

With his physical tools, he should have been a better defender. Had he been a better defender earlier on, his poor shooting performances would have been better compensated.

Troy just doesn't fit a 4-out-1-in or 5-out motion offense.

That system favors players with guard skills and Troy is nowhere close to that.

[sroth3839]

And Erram's retired from Gilas.

https://sports.inquirer.net/523394/p...eeps-door-open

So did Japeth and we all know how that went

I won't be surprised if Slaughter and Almazan get calls in the future.

[Rds]

And about Troy, I actually blame TNT for not developing him properly. Too much emphasis on his shooting, not enough emphasis on his defense. I mean, became a better defender in Blackwater and Ginebra, whereas in TNT, his defense wasn't as notable.

With his physical tools, he should have been a better defender. Had he been a better defender earlier on, his poor shooting performances would have been better compensated.

Troy I think is one of the victims of Tab's first removal. First was JMF's lighter weight in FIba. Second was Troy's evolution to a big SF. If Tab continued he mightve converted Troy to a decent Fiba SF.

Edit: Troy is actually a good PBA player. He was the main big of TNT for a few years. They traded Tautuaa but kept him. But he was a tweener in TNT. He didnt fit the big archetypes of Chot: high flyer, skilled perimeter big, bruiser. Those who said that the triangle, without the need for dribbling, maximized his skills are correct. The thing is I don't think he'll be serviceable in Fiba without dribbling, even in the triangle.

[IPC]

Troy just doesn't fit a 4-out-1-in or 5-out motion offense.

That system favors players with guard skills and Troy is nowhere close to that.

And Troy is best doing what he's currently doing right now in Ginebra. Occasional outside shot, fight for loose balls and rebounds, and play D. At least he has a fallback when his outside shot's not going in.