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  • Guys, how do we compare a QMB with a Junmar Fajardo?

    The way I see it, I think Junmar has better back-to-the-basket low post moves than QMB (I think nobody in Philippine basketball right now has better back-to-the-basket low post moves than Junmar). Junmar is stronger & can absorb physical contact better than QMB. But I think QMB has better mobility, quickness & athleticism, & such qualities make QMB a better overall defensive player than Junmar. I think in so far as the FIBA game is concerned, mas bagay ang laro ni QMB doon kisa kay Junmar.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
      Guys, how do we compare a QMB with a Junmar Fajardo?

      The way I see it, I think Junmar has better back-to-the-basket low post moves than QMB (I think nobody in Philippine basketball right now has better back-to-the-basket low post moves than Junmar). But I think QMB has better mobility, quickness & athleticism, & such qualities make QMB a better overall defensive player than Junmar. I think in so far as the FIBA game is concerned, mas bagay ang laro ni QMB doon kisa kay Junmar.
      I think QMB might be over-all better than Kai defensively. UAAP is so guard-biased that only the best defensive centers make an impact there. Only guys like Kouame, Diouf and Phillips. And QMB is arguably better defensively than Phillips because he is taller. QMB is very good. But until I hear Fiba saying he is eligible I won't say much about him.

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      • Originally posted by Rds View Post

        I think QMB might be over-all better than Kai defensively. UAAP is so guard-biased that only the best defensive centers make an impact there. Only guys like Kouame, Diouf and Phillips. And QMB is arguably better defensively than Phillips because he is taller. QMB is very good. But until I hear Fiba saying he is eligible I won't say much about him.
        I think in terms of perimeter defense & defending the PnR, QMB can do the job better than Kai. But I think in terms of rim protection, Kai does a better job than QMB. Kai's 4 to 5-inch height edge over QMB gives the former significant advantage over the latter in rim protection.
        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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        • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

          I think during Baldwin's stint as Gilas coach in 2020 to 2021, his team was limited to amateur players as PBA wasn't that committed in lending its top players for the National team. This limited coach Tab's prospects, hence the inclusion of Ateneo players like Mike Nieto & Isaac Go - players that many fans believed didn't deserve to be on the team. But I think coach Tab's plan was to have as many Ateneo players in Gilas while the team was still in its infancy. Those Ateneo players are supposed to be the glue of the team so as the team achieves enough cohesion & chemistry during its infancy. As the team matures, guys like Mike Nieto & Isaac Go will be out of the team & be replaced with more talented & able players.

          Coach Tab's Gilas had limited prospects kasi nga amateur players lang ang pagpipilian nya, hence his choice of less deserving players like Mike Nieto & Isaac Go.

          In coach Tim Cone's case, he has all the luxury & benefit of choosing all available players - PBA, B-league, KBL & amateur players.
          At the time of CTB, there were also better deserving amateur players than those guys you mentioned. Fact is, coaches prefer a certain amount of system players in their teams. My hypothesis is that Troy most likely already proved himself to CTC in their club practices/games.

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          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

            I think during Baldwin's stint as Gilas coach in 2020 to 2021, his team was limited to amateur players as PBA wasn't that committed in lending its top players for the National team. This limited coach Tab's prospects, hence the inclusion of Ateneo players like Mike Nieto & Isaac Go - players that many fans believed didn't deserve to be on the team. But I think coach Tab's plan was to have as many Ateneo players in Gilas while the team was still in its infancy. Those Ateneo players are supposed to be the glue of the team so as the team achieves enough cohesion & chemistry during its infancy. As the team matures, guys like Mike Nieto & Isaac Go will be out of the team & be replaced with more talented & able players.

            Coach Tab's Gilas had limited prospects kasi nga amateur players lang ang pagpipilian nya, hence his choice of less deserving players like Mike Nieto & Isaac Go.

            In coach Tim Cone's case, he has all the luxury & benefit of choosing all available players - PBA, B-league, KBL & amateur players.
            yep Tab had to make due with what he had thats why there were times wherein the team completely looked outclassed (aus) though they still held their weight overall, there were clearly guys who werent fit to be in Gilas (Suerte) in that team.

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            • Originally posted by lurklurk View Post

              At the time of CTB, there were also better deserving amateur players than those guys you mentioned. Fact is, coaches prefer a certain amount of system players in their teams. My hypothesis is that Troy most likely already proved himself to CTC in their club practices/games.
              Not sure about better deserving amateurs. The non-Ateneo guys Tab picked were solid and/or had potential in the international game. RJ, Suerte, Tungcab, Baltazar, Oftana, Carino. He kept Mike Nieto to teach Balti and Oftana the SF position in Tab's system. If there was a better guy with high potential I am sure Tab would've picked him.

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              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                Guys, how do we compare a QMB with a Junmar Fajardo?

                The way I see it, I think Junmar has better back-to-the-basket low post moves than QMB (I think nobody in Philippine basketball right now has better back-to-the-basket low post moves than Junmar). Junmar is stronger & can absorb physical contact better than QMB. But I think QMB has better mobility, quickness & athleticism, & such qualities make QMB a better overall defensive player than Junmar. I think in so far as the FIBA game is concerned, mas bagay ang laro ni QMB doon kisa kay Junmar.
                Originally posted by Rds View Post
                I think QMB might be over-all better than Kai defensively. UAAP is so guard-biased that only the best defensive centers make an impact there. Only guys like Kouame, Diouf and Phillips. And QMB is arguably better defensively than Phillips because he is taller. QMB is very good. But until I hear Fiba saying he is eligible I won't say much about him.
                When you're not a star in FIBA at center, a defensive player is more impactful than a defensive liability who happens to be good on offense. There's a reason why Ange closed out the Asiad games against China and Jordan over June Mar. There's a reason why June Mar was on the bench in the closing minutes of the NZ game and Kai wasn't.

                Interior defenders should be the priority at center, unless you have a center with good enough offensive ability like a KAT or Jokic.

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                • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                  My point here is that, if coach Tim has to get someone as a "band-aid" solution, why not someone who would be serviceable for the future? Hindi yung 33 na yung edad in which 2 or 3 years from now, that player most likely would already be washed up.
                  Band aid solution as a practice player who will not even get minutes. Your issue is just Balti for Rosario. I could give you lots of reasons why Troy is better that Balti right now for Gilas.

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                  • Originally posted by deku_midoriya View Post
                    Band aid solution as a practice player who will not even get minutes. Your issue is just Balti for Rosario. I could give you lots of reasons why Troy is better that Balti right now for Gilas.
                    We can't blame sir Rds, sir live_evil, and sir JAMSKIE for the sentiment on Troy. In the past kasi, he wasn't exactly the best FIBA performer. I remember him shooting bricks, and I don't remember him defending decently. And he turns 33 on Monday, as sir JAMSKIE pointed out.

                    That said, I noticed that he improved on defense since the Commissioner's Cup. Not something I expected given his age. I saw him defend better with Blackwater and Ginebra than with TNT.

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                    • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                      We can't blame sir Rds, sir live_evil, and sir JAMSKIE for the sentiment on Troy. In the past kasi, he wasn't exactly the best FIBA performer. I remember him shooting bricks, and I don't remember him defending decently. And he turns 33 on Monday, as sir JAMSKIE pointed out.

                      That said, I noticed that he improved on defense since the Commissioner's Cup. Not something I expected given his age. I saw him defend better with Blackwater and Ginebra than with TNT.
                      He is more reliable at three than Balti. Hustles more than Balti. Defends better than Balti. Balti has to prove himself he can handle PBA level bigs first. At least Troy is performing well in the PBA this season

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                      • Originally posted by deku_midoriya View Post

                        He is more reliable at three than Balti. Hustles more than Balti. Defends better than Balti. Balti has to prove himself he can handle PBA level bigs first. At least Troy is performing well in the PBA this season
                        You have some points but I don't think he is a better defender than Balti. He might be more physical but Balti is taller and longer than him. I won't argue Troy has been performing well in the PBA but if that were just the basis then Arana would've been the guy we were pushing for. You are correct in that it has been a long time and under a different system since Balti performed in Fiba. But you mistake his performing lesser than KQ as a bad performance. As I said he did a decent performance. I think he even scored in double digits in a game. Yes Arakji scored on him but slowmo show the guy blatantly moved his pivot foot. Balti can play some minutes at center because he is long enough to challenge some shots. Troy cannot do this. Balti is younger. Balti has more potential and just can do more things that Gilas lacks than Troy. Why are we recycling a 33 year old guy when we a younger taller longer guy with similar skillsets is there.

                        Edit: He is not doing bad in the PBA either. Last game against ROS: 8 pts 8 rbs, 2 asts, 2 stls, 1 block in 19 minutes

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                        • Originally posted by Rds View Post

                          Not sure about better deserving amateurs. The non-Ateneo guys Tab picked were solid and/or had potential in the international game. RJ, Suerte, Tungcab, Baltazar, Oftana, Carino. He kept Mike Nieto to teach Balti and Oftana the SF position in Tab's system. If there was a better guy with high potential I am sure Tab would've picked him.
                          That team was also a product of the pandemic. And there were rumors or observations that certain personalities were preventing their players from participating especially after Tab's spicy comments. Those same personalities are running SBP right now. They can literally pick any players but they chose to be vindictive and narrow minded.

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                          • Originally posted by lurklurk View Post

                            At the time of CTB, there were also better deserving amateur players than those guys you mentioned. Fact is, coaches prefer a certain amount of system players in their teams. My hypothesis is that Troy most likely already proved himself to CTC in their club practices/games.

                            Troy is always good at practices and level of games,but against a higher caliber players,time and again,it's like someone sub a bad clone,instead of the real all out perfect practice guy.

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                            • Originally posted by deku_midoriya View Post

                              Band aid solution as a practice player who will not even get minutes. Your issue is just Balti for Rosario. I could give you lots of reasons why Troy is better that Balti right now for Gilas.
                              Troy a better Gilas prospect than Balti as of now? Kindly enlighten us on this opinion of yours?

                              My issue isn't just Troy being included in Gilas instead of Balti. I also would like coach Tim to add players like Jordan Heading & Will Navarro amid the frequency of injuries among Gilas players in just a span of 1 year - Malonzo, AJ Edu, Kai & KQ.

                              How long will coach Tim keep on recalling the venerable Japeth Aguilar from retirement (retirement from the national team) everytime a Gilas player is injured?
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post


                                Troy is always good at practices and level of games,but against a higher caliber players,time and again,it's like someone sub a bad clone,instead of the real all out perfect practice guy.
                                In fairness to Troy, during his stints with Gilas, he really played some good games naman, consistency lang talaga yung problema. But those stints with Gilas were like 6 to 9 years ago. At a time when Troy was at his prime. Right now Troy is already 33 yrs old. Pababa na yung laro nya.
                                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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