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  • Originally posted by deku_midoriya View Post

    Good idea but who will shoulder the budget for another team? Lots of you criticize previous Gilas for lack of preparation and chemistry. Now we have a coach who values chemistry and mastery of his system we go back to suggesting a hugot system
    who says we are suggesting a hugot system? can't you comprehend that we want the team A to be maintained but have an easier transition for new players? Even Chua wants more spare tires. SMC has a big budget. How do you think they can hoard all those players? Even Teng who is useless now is getting a lot of money.
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    • Kai
      Edu
      Carl
      KQ
      Junmar
      Dwight
      Brownlee
      Scottie
      Newsome
      CJ
      Malonzo
      Oftana

      Reserves:
      Mason
      Japeth
      Ange/Boatwright
      Troy

      Not unless some of these players are retiring from Gilas, I don't think Cone is adding anymore to the reserves who would be a sure upgrade. Even Clarkson is not an upgrade over JB in the eyes of Cone. If Japeth defnitely retires then an eligible QMB would be preferred.

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      • Originally posted by Rds View Post

        So what are Cu and Rosario then? Why not just add actual pool players and not the best available GSM player? When he recently added Japeth again he said, find me another 6'9 player who can protect the rim. No arguments from me there. But when he added perennial FIBA under-achiever Rosario what's his excuse?
        Exactly! There is no excuse for adding Rosario. He is still new to Ginebra so we can't say he has mastered the triangle. If Cone is consistent with his stance then it should have been Amos getting elevated. It should have been Baltazar, Heading, and an eligible QMB. I can begrudgingly forgive Japeth but not Troy.
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        • Originally posted by Rds View Post

          So what are Cu and Rosario then? Why not just add actual pool players and not the best available GSM player? When he recently added Japeth again he said, find me another 6'9 player who can protect the rim. No arguments from me there. But when he added perennial FIBA under-achiever Rosario what's his excuse?
          Cu is always and will always be a practice player. Troy is learning the triangle and CTC is definitely seeing his versatility as a plus maybe compared to malonzo and KQ. If KQ and Malonzo are playing, I don't think Troy would play. Maybe as a practice player.

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          • Originally posted by live_evil View Post

            Exactly! There is no excuse for adding Rosario. He is still new to Ginebra so we can't say he has mastered the triangle. If Cone is consistent with his stance then it should have been Amos getting elevated. It should have been Baltazar, Heading, and an eligible QMB. I can begrudgingly forgive Japeth but not Troy.
            Every GSM practice Troy is learning the triangle. Can you say that for other players in his position?

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            • A non-Gilas player plays well... IBN: lets get him for Gilas! lol

              Cone is not replacing his 12 unless one retires. His reserves can be replaced but it will be debatable if that replacement is really better than Mason, Japeth, or even Troy playing under CTC's system. I bet if Mason was not there, someone would be calling out for him to be there. CTC will never please everyone. But winning makes everyone happy and that is what he is bringing to Gilas right now. We cannot questions his decisions because he is winning. He played in Latvia without a natural PG, for chrisakes.

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              • Originally posted by deku_midoriya View Post
                A non-Gilas player plays well... IBN: lets get him for Gilas! lol

                Cone is not replacing his 12 unless one retires. His reserves can be replaced but it will be debatable if that replacement is really better than Mason, Japeth, or even Troy playing under CTC's system. I bet if Mason was not there, someone would be calling out for him to be there. CTC will never please everyone. But winning makes everyone happy and that is what he is bringing to Gilas right now. We cannot questions his decisions because he is winning. He played in Latvia without a natural PG, for chrisakes.
                I don't get it. I am saying Baltazar has played much better than Rosario in Fiba. He is taller with a longer wingspan. He has played decently in other international competitions. He is playing decently in the PBA. Even if as a "temporary" replacement it makes more sense to pick him than Rosario. Why are we so sold on Cone's 12. Is he the almighty who doesn't make mistakes? He will never consider another player just because he already chose his permanent 12? IMO injuries are the best time to try out other players that have Fiba potential not to recycle a 32 year old who has shown he is not fit for Fiba.

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                • Originally posted by Rds View Post

                  I don't get it. I am saying Baltazar has played much better than Rosario in Fiba. He is taller with a longer wingspan. He has played decently in other international competitions. He is playing decently in the PBA. Even if as a "temporary" replacement it makes more sense to pick him than Rosario. Why are we so sold on Cone's 12. Is he the almighty who doesn't make mistakes? He will never consider another player just because he already chose his permanent 12? IMO injuries are the best time to try out other players that have Fiba potential not to recycle a 32 year old who has shown he is not fit for Fiba.
                  Qualify that: Baltazar played well in FIBA under Tab. Rosario played so-so in FIBA under Chot. Different circumstances under the triangle where Troy does not need to dribble to be effective. Balti played bad in Dubai, outshone by KQ who is having limited minutes under Cone in Gilas. What makes you think Cone is gonna use him if he's in the lineup?

                  I tell you what, let's complain if QMB is gonna be bypassed even if proven eligible. I don't think CTC will pass up that opportunity to grab a JF heir-apparent in Gilas. Balti? nah... he will have to prove himself in the PBA first

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                  • QMB update

                    Sources say Quentin Millora-Brown's team has submitted the paperwork to the SBP to back his claim to Filipino citizenship
                    Philippine Malditas to FIFA Womens World Cup 2023

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                    • Chua should guarantee QMB that Ginebra will trade for Terrafirma's pick. And give his family a great "pangkabuhayan" package to compensate for the lower salary.
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                      • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post
                        Seems like they're putting the blame on SBP on his slow moving papers. I thought he already secured his passport a long time ago and will show it "soon" as per his declaration last November. Or are they still "negotiating"?

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                        • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
                          Chua should guarantee QMB that Ginebra will trade for Terrafirma's pick. And give his family a great "pangkabuhayan" package to compensate for the lower salary.
                          QMB’s family belong to upper middle class even in American standard much more in the Philippines. If they haggle him below his market value. It would be some sort of disrespect. It would be better he play in Spain. Better competition and better pay…

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                          • Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post

                            Seems like they're putting the blame on SBP on his slow moving papers. I thought he already secured his passport a long time ago and will show it "soon" as per his declaration last November. Or are they still "negotiating"?
                            Every news article from Homer Sayson or Snow Badua should be taken with a grain of salt.

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                            • Originally posted by FilWelsh View Post

                              QMB’s family belong to upper middle class even in American standard much more in the Philippines. If they haggle him below his market value. It would be some sort of disrespect. It would be better he play in Spain. Better competition and better pay…

                              That sounded like a woke nonsense,what's his social or private status has to do with his sports market value? It's how much the rest of the team gets paid,when he gets his,so he will be in a team with 1 superstar and the rest are cheap bench players,good luck with that.

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                              • Originally posted by deku_midoriya View Post
                                A non-Gilas player plays well... IBN: lets get him for Gilas! lol
                                What's wrong with that bro?
                                Alangan namang ang player na esa suggest mo for Gilas inclussion is someone who is averaging 5 pts. per game in his PBA team (unless maybe he plays defense as good as a Gabe Norwood or a Chris Newsome).

                                It's not coincidence that guys like Kai Sotto, Junmar Fajardo, CJ Perez, Calvin Oftana, KQ are current Gilas members - they are performing very well in their respective leagues - B-league, PBA, collegiate basketball.
                                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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