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  • Originally posted by IPC View Post

    Bennie being a 3 is not really the concern, it's if the team can do enough defensively there when there's no interior defender on the floor, and whether we have enough defensive personnel at 4 and 5 to support lineups with Bennie at 3.

    Overall, my concern is what happens defensively when Bennie's at 3 and Kai's off the floor. June Mar's a liability guarding PnR. Japeth turns 38 this month, and might retire soon. AJ has had a history of injuries, and has missed the OQT and two FIBA windows (four FIBA games). QMB's eligibility is unsure, and Mike and Ange are currently ineligible. Carl might need to improve on defense, and Mason definitely needs to improve on defense. Will a scheme be enough to help us out there?

    I may be thinking about unlikely worst-case scenarios, but still, that could be concerning.
    I'll only analyze with what we have and BB who's in line to be the next NP. With that in mind, basically just swap Brownlee with BB and replicate how he is used in different lineup scenarios. No need to reinvent the wheel. It's also probably by design that Brownlee will be swapped by someone who'll be doing the same role, makes the transition easier. Of course they're not the exact same player, but that is the goal.

    Now, if you're implying that we should get a different NP to safeguard against probable lack of bigs, then that is another matter.

    I think by the time the next Olympics arrive, Carl will be much better and useful than Japeth (if he isn't already) so Japeth's loss (and current contribution) is not really much. JMF will be older, but his game isn't really predicated on being young so he'll probably still be effective (barring any injuries) with of course some production decline. That decline in his production should coincide with increase in production from the younger guys.

    Then in another 4 years time, we'll have a better feel for how reliable AJ can be. If in the next 2-3 years, he's still injury-prone then it will be smart to reconsider and while those 2-3 years transpire, we have to make sure that we know where we stand with the ineligible bigs and construct the team accordingly.

    And for Kai who is the key piece, any serious injury from him (which let's pray never happens), certainly will force the team to look for a true NP big.

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    • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
      Is it only me that that thinks most foreign coaches that handled Gilas are really successful on handling the team.

      Rajko Toroman - the OG one. he handled a team with borderline PBA players (only Marcio is the bonafide star on this team outside the PBA reinforcements and Douthit). his team reached the semis for the first time in 24 years, reintroducing the Philippines into the Asian basketball scene.

      Tab Baldwin - he handled a team with a bunch of has-beens, an out-of-shape player and a bunch of players that has no business in playing FIBA basketball. his team got the silver medal. six years later, he led a team with a bunch of college players, high schoolers and amateurs to an impressive run which includes beating Korea twice.

      Tim Cone - he handled the team freshed from a failed Olympic bid attempt in the FIBA World Cup. his team was composed of PBA players but it was built in a rush. his team made a surprising run in the Asian Games, winning the gold. this success was followed by another surprising win against Latvia, followed an impressive win against New Zealand.

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      It's not just you. Rajko and Tab have extensive international experience/success so it's not really that surprising that they would perform well.

      CTC is the one that should be studied more. The guy doesn't really have that much basketball background prior to the PBA and was basically just from neighborhood ligas. Finds a lot of success in the PBA primarily using the Triangle. He himself has professed that he isn't much of an X and O coach and rarely makes in-game adjustments (a reason why the triangle is perfect for him, and he just lets the players figure it out). What he's a master of is turning groups of guys into a real team...a team that has guys trusting each other, have well defined roles and collectively plays better and harder. It's not entirely about basketball with him, what he puts an emphasis on is to make teams the best that they can be...culture and identity.

      I think Tab and Rajko also has a little bit of that philosophy. They start with team culture and identity. Tab always says winning games is not his primary goal, his goal is to make his players the best that they can be as a team and the winning part is just a byproduct.

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      • Originally posted by Metta View Post
        I'll only analyze with what we have and BB who's in line to be the next NP. With that in mind, basically just swap Brownlee with BB and replicate how he is used in different lineup scenarios. No need to reinvent the wheel. It's also probably by design that Brownlee will be swapped by someone who'll be doing the same role, makes the transition easier. Of course they're not the exact same player, but that is the goal.

        Now, if you're implying that we should get a different NP to safeguard against probable lack of bigs, then that is another matter.

        I think by the time the next Olympics arrive, Carl will be much better and useful than Japeth (if he isn't already) so Japeth's loss (and current contribution) is not really much. JMF will be older, but his game isn't really predicated on being young so he'll probably still be effective (barring any injuries) with of course some production decline. That decline in his production should coincide with increase in production from the younger guys.

        Then in another 4 years time, we'll have a better feel for how reliable AJ can be. If in the next 2-3 years, he's still injury-prone then it will be smart to reconsider and while those 2-3 years transpire, we have to make sure that we know where we stand with the ineligible bigs and construct the team accordingly.

        And for Kai who is the key piece, any serious injury from him (which let's pray never happens), certainly will force the team to look for a true NP big.
        With who we have in the pool, I need to see consistent perimeter defense from Malonzo, and defensive improvement from Carl and Quiambao. Oftana's been decent on defense for Gilas.

        If the defense breaks down, we need to outscore and outshoot the opponent. I have to admit, I personally distrust this strategy in the Gilas context because of past games where we got outscored (as I said several times in this forum), but if it helps us win, so be it.

        As for a new NP, I think we could get another young reserve, probably born in the 2000-2003 range. But if Bennie's the choice for JB's successor, so be it. We now need a good defensive local complement. Now, that comes in the form of Kai, Scottie, Dwight, Newsome, and even Oftana and CJ. We just need Malonzo and AJ to be healthy, and for Carl and Quiambao to improve on defense. Defensive replacement for June Mar could be necessary.

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        • Originally posted by Metta View Post

          It's not just you. Rajko and Tab have extensive international experience/success so it's not really that surprising that they would perform well.

          CTC is the one that should be studied more. The guy doesn't really have that much basketball background prior to the PBA and was basically just from neighborhood ligas. Finds a lot of success in the PBA primarily using the Triangle. He himself has professed that he isn't much of an X and O coach and rarely makes in-game adjustments (a reason why the triangle is perfect for him, and he just lets the players figure it out). What he's a master of is turning groups of guys into a real team...a team that has guys trusting each other, have well defined roles and collectively plays better and harder. It's not entirely about basketball with him, what he puts an emphasis on is to make teams the best that they can be...culture and identity.

          I think Tab and Rajko also has a little bit of that philosophy. They start with team culture and identity. Tab always says winning games is not his primary goal, his goal is to make his players the best that they can be as a team and the winning part is just a byproduct.
          Four things I learned from them are: (1) they are not scared of competition as they will play against any team in front of them; (2) they are not defeatists; (3) they are seeing the potential of our team (Rajko believes that Gilas can form multiple national teams, Tab believes that Gilas should have been a top 15 and ofcourse Tim Cone is as positive as these two); and (4) they look on the game possession-by-possession in order to win which makes them put premium on defense.
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          • Tim Cone kinda modernize his triangle nowadays.

            It also involves 3 pt shooting. In the past, more of Mid Range and inside plays.

            Anyways, Coach Tim I think still prefers to prioritize inside. That is why Kai, Junmar, AJ, and whoever are the Bigs get involved in offensive schemes.

            But At least Brownlee, Dwight, Scottie, Oftana has the license to shoot when they are open at 3. As they all should be.

            Coach Tim also prioritize Height and Versatility in Gilas. That's why he didn't select Ara

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            • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
              Tim Cone kinda modernize his triangle nowadays.

              It also involves 3 pt shooting. In the past, more of Mid Range and inside plays.

              Anyways, Coach Tim I think still prefers to prioritize inside. That is why Kai, Junmar, AJ, and whoever are the Bigs get involved in offensive schemes.

              But At least Brownlee, Dwight, Scottie, Oftana has the license to shoot when they are open at 3. As they all should be.

              Coach Tim also prioritize Height and Versatility in Gilas. That's why he didn't select Ara

              coz Height alone is already a Defensive arsenal

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              • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                Tim Cone kinda modernize his triangle nowadays.

                It also involves 3 pt shooting. In the past, more of Mid Range and inside plays.

                Anyways, Coach Tim I think still prefers to prioritize inside. That is why Kai, Junmar, AJ, and whoever are the Bigs get involved in offensive schemes.

                But At least Brownlee, Dwight, Scottie, Oftana has the license to shoot when they are open at 3. As they all should be.

                Coach Tim also prioritize Height and Versatility in Gilas. That's why he didn't select Ara
                93 of our 311 FG attempts this Asian qualifiers are threes. That's a 29.9% 3PA rate. That's the lowest 3PA rate in the Asian qualifiers by quite a bit after two windows. Next lowest 3PAr is Palestine with a 33.2%; 89 of their 268 attempts were threes. We are also 20th out of 24 in 3PA per game.

                We make up for the low 3PAr by leading the qualifiers in field goal attempts with 311 over 4 games and making a qualifiers-leading 153 of them. We are 3rd in FG% at 49.2%.

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                • Originally posted by Athrunzala View Post


                  coz Height alone is already a Defensive arsenal
                  Correct sir.
                  I remember the late coach Ron Jacobs mentioned, as our Centennial team prepared for the 1998 Asian Games, that against China, we have to deal with their height & length which will bother our offense. Imagine your 6-foot-1 shooting guard being harassed by a 6-foot-5 Chinese shooting guard or your 6-foot-3 small forward shooting over his Chinese counterpart who is 6-foot-6/6-foot-7.

                  With skills, speed/agility, athleticism & court savvy being equal, the taller player will at most times have the edge. For instance if Kai Sotto happens to be just 6-foot-10, I don't think he will that be intimidating in the shaded lane as a 7-foot-2 Kai Sotto.
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                    Tim Cone kinda modernize his triangle nowadays.

                    It also involves 3 pt shooting. In the past, more of Mid Range and inside plays.

                    Anyways, Coach Tim I think still prefers to prioritize inside. That is why Kai, Junmar, AJ, and whoever are the Bigs get involved in offensive schemes.

                    But At least Brownlee, Dwight, Scottie, Oftana has the license to shoot when they are open at 3. As they all should be.

                    Coach Tim also prioritize Height and Versatility in Gilas. That's why he didn't select Ara
                    As for versatility, I think we'll need versatile guys from the 2, 3, and 4 spots. I think we have versatile players in those spots in Newsome, Dwight, JB, and AJ. Hopefully, Carl, Quiambao, Mason, and Malonzo come along in that regard. Oftana can guard 2 and 3, and can hit the occasional shot, but he looks more of a 3&D wing for Gilas. CJ's more of a two-way microwave than a really versatile guard. Hahahahahaha. Bennie Boatwright, the incoming NP, can play 4 and small ball 5 due to his size, and Cone looks to put him at 3.

                    Kai can fill multiple roles as well (specifically high post playmaker, inside scorer, some catch and shoot, and interior defender), even as a big. June Mar can interchange roles with Kai on offense. Ange (a reserve NP) is a switchable defender as well as an interior defender. Scottie can handle, initiate, defend, cut, and take the occasional shot.

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                    • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
                      Expect June Mar and Japeth to get extended minutes next month. Same with Tamayo. Hoping that AJ will play. With the looming Kai's absence, CTC needs to call up some available bigmen like Baltazar and Geo Chiu. This is also the reason why we need to get the exemptions in the big positions (QMB, Ange or Philipps).
                      Originally posted by live_evil View Post
                      with what happened to Kai, QMB is no longer just an option but a must (if he is really eligible). We don't know when injuries will happen.
                      Originally posted by Rds View Post
                      Balti should be added to the pool. I hope SMC doesnt hate Delta that much to not pick him.
                      We really need to shore up our defense. The way I see it, Kai and AJ are keystones to our defense, especially after JB retired. If we're going to call up bigs, we need to prioritize defense.

                      I agree with ja.he and sir live_evil. We absolutely need to get QMB, Ange, and Mike eligible. We don't have a deep pool of defensive bigs. So far, it's Kai, AJ, Japeth, that's it. JB can compensate for now, but it will be tougher after he retires.

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                      • Justine Baltazar is a priority now

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                        • With Kai's injury that happened today, QMB's Gilas stint will be pursued even more.

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                          • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
                            This should have been the time to fix QMB and Ange's papers. tsk tsk
                            The lack of depth we have in terms of interior defense should have made it clear that we need another interior defender after Kai, AJ, and Japeth, and thus, work on the papers of QMB, Ange, and Mike Phillips.

                            I hope Dy and Chua can work on it. Panlilio's the SBP president, but Dy's a lawyer and the executive director, and Chua's the program director.

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                            • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                              The lack of depth we have in terms of interior defense should have made it clear that we need another interior defender after Kai, AJ, and Japeth, and thus, work on the papers of QMB, Ange, and Mike Phillips.

                              I hope Dy and Chua can work on it. Panlilio's the SBP president, but Dy's a lawyer and the executive director, and Chua's the program director.
                              We dont really know about QMB. If he is found eligible then good. If not I think we need to reconsider getting a center NP.

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                              • We also have Geo Chiu who is starting to mature, Baltazar, and Mike Phillips whose motor is almost at Rodman level. There should be a cadets team with Tenorio handling it aside from his Batang Gilas duties. Cone is saying that he doesn't have the time to teach new recruits. That is just a lot of crap from Cone. He has assistants to handle the cadet team while he focuses on the main team. Get Devance and Johnny A to help out in teaching the system.
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