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  • I missed the discussion here regarding Newsome's future replacement. He has multiple roles with the Gilas team, and i dont think it will be replaced by just one player. The players that will step into his roles are already in the team, in my opinion:

    Primary perimeter defender (poa/chaser) - Thompson, Malonzo
    Off-ball guard with secondary playmaking responsibilities - Ramos, Quiambao, Perez
    Back-up point guard - Perez, RJ Abarrientos (already under CTC with Ginebra)

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    • Originally posted by lurklurk View Post
      I missed the discussion here regarding Newsome's future replacement. He has multiple roles with the Gilas team, and i dont think it will be replaced by just one player. The players that will step into his roles are already in the team, in my opinion:

      Primary perimeter defender (poa/chaser) - Thompson, Malonzo
      Off-ball guard with secondary playmaking responsibilities - Ramos, Quiambao, Perez
      Back-up point guard - Perez, RJ Abarrientos (already under CTC with Ginebra)
      Call me crazy, but I think Quiambao should work towards becoming a secondary ballhandler, or even a point guard. Expands our lineup options after June Mar and Newsome retire.

      If Malonzo is to have use in the lineup, I think he should focus on 3-point shooting and perimeter defense. We will need the perimeter defense at 3, especially after JB retires.

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      • Originally posted by Rds View Post

        He has a foreigner mother right? Not eligible for KBL.
        That's just plain sexist on the part of the KBL.

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        • Originally posted by Artek View Post

          That's just plain sexist on the part of the KBL.

          Hemogenous thinkers,remember even pure blooded KoreAms are not Koreans unless one of the parents are at least born in SK.

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          • Originally posted by Artek View Post

            That's just plain sexist on the part of the KBL.
            Korea is a pretty right wing country

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            • Originally posted by lurklurk View Post
              I missed the discussion here regarding Newsome's future replacement. He has multiple roles with the Gilas team, and i dont think it will be replaced by just one player. The players that will step into his roles are already in the team, in my opinion:

              Primary perimeter defender (poa/chaser) - Thompson, Malonzo
              Off-ball guard with secondary playmaking responsibilities - Ramos, Quiambao, Perez
              Back-up point guard - Perez, RJ Abarrientos (already under CTC with Ginebra)
              Despite RJ Abarrientos having the familiarity with coach Tim's system, I would still prefer a bigger/taller point guard over him. I feel 6-foot-1 combo guard Schonny Winston is worth a try. As offensive skilled RJ Abarrientos is & with his familiarity with the triangle, he is a defensive liability. He would just turnout to be a weak link of Gilas with his inferior defense. Winston on the other hand, from what I saw in his game with La Salle in the UAAP, seems a decent defender & of course can play as point guard.

              I think its about time we depart from having midget point guard/s in our national team unless of course that midget point guard has exceptional skills, quickness & athleticism like a Jayson Castro or a Johnny Abarrientos (RJ's uncle). RJ obviously is no Castro nor a Johnny A.
              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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              • Originally posted by Joe Yabuki View Post
                I have a feeling Calvin might be on a hot spot, hes been always subbed off for making mistakes by Cone.. heres hoping Navarro gets a look
                Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                I'm beginning to dislike Oftana. He reminds me of Matthew Wright as far as FIBA performance is concerned. Oftana hasn't hit shots he normally makes in the PBA. To think that he is known as a dead shot in the PBA. Chris Newsome isn't really that good in 3pt shooting yet playing for Gilas, Newsome has shot better from 3pt than Oftana.
                Originally posted by empyreanmaze View Post
                Oftana is basically a rawer Pogoy. I really hope they don't replace any of the forwards but add more like Caelum Harris, Wil Navarro or Francis Lopez, I'd like to see Caulum Harris develop the chops to take over Newsome
                Hoping Navarro can get a look due to his defense.

                As for Oftana, to his credit, he can defend. I think he's defended decently in the OQT and in this window. Prevented blow-bys and stayed in front of or connected to his man for the most part.

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                • Oftana, like amos and aguilar, are okay against the east asian and west asian nts. But against the australian nt and stronger world teams, our nt has to field extra-strong and extra-skilled players. Even newsome and cj will have serious problems against world elite players. There are really good replacements in the pipeline. Younger too.

                  At this point, i see our nt will not have serious problems in candidate nt players.

                  Until local collegiate teams have an average height of 6'5, and with centers at 6'8 to 6'11, our nt will still not be naturally tall. Centers in my time were a mere 6'1 on the average. It is 6'5-6'6 today. So, top 20 is doable this decade, but top 10 requires 3 more decades.

                  The us nt is not that extraordinary. With a population 3 times more than the philippines at 340 million, and a lot more non-starving healthy families, their best player choices will be at least 3x ours

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                  • The sbp has yet to fulfill an unstated but real public pinoy vision: to be able to hurdle top 20 and some top 10 world level nts

                    The present 15-man crew of cone is good enough against strong east asian and west asian teams. But against beyond-asian top teams, they are not good enough. Obviously, they dont even have super-athletic defenders against much lower ranked hong kong 3point spree ahooters.

                    So, the sbp must be able to identify and even pay for the services of these elite additional 5-7 young players as good as, if not much better, than the current pooled players. There are always youtube and spinph channels where these new nt players can be listed down along with the "specs" of their known abilities.​

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                    • Originally posted by ccharmed View Post
                      The sbp has yet to fulfill an unstated but real public pinoy vision: to be able to hurdle top 20 and some top 10 world level nts

                      The present 15-man crew of cone is good enough against strong east asian and west asian teams. But against beyond-asian top teams, they are not good enough. Obviously, they dont even have super-athletic defenders against much lower ranked hong kong 3point spree ahooters.

                      So, the sbp must be able to identify and even pay for the services of these elite additional 5-7 young players as good as, if not much better, than the current pooled players. There are always youtube and spinph channels where these new nt players can be listed down along with the "specs" of their known abilities.​
                      Wasn't Latvia ranked number 6 worldwide?

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                      • Originally posted by k3ttch View Post

                        Wasn't Latvia ranked number 6 worldwide?
                        That is only one country. And nobody, least of all the latvians, were expecting to lose in their home court. Almost a guarantee of losing by itself. Let us see if the pinoy nt can beat them again after the unexpected win. New zealand too. The only coach who declared his team prepared for the pinoy nt was brazil. And it showed. The dom rep and brazil, which are ranked lower than latvia easily beat the pinoy nt.

                        Disrespecting the abilities of opponents can lead to bad results. Nobody ignores the better african teams today. The pinoy nt is a work in progress. We already saw what it cannot do without an extraordinary generational pinoy center like kai sotto.

                        ​​​​​​There are good reasons why the pinoy nt is ranked 34th only.

                        We also have to see the pinoy ny beat top 20 teams in their home courts. Even the no. 1 ranked usa is now more than beatable. It doesnt mean the nts which beat them are better.

                        This kind of logic is like that of one classmate getting a good passing grade after just one exam, and boasting about it. Unfortunately for him, passing the course and degree requires passing tons of exams and not merely one. It is nice to be optimistic, but it doesnt pay the bills.

                        And to simply kill this kind of argument, the world rankings are based on the results of many games against better teams. Beating new zealand or latvia in one game doesnt mean that our team must he ranked higher. Latvia is down anyway from no 5 to 9. The only asian team in the top 10 and 20 is australia.

                        The text you quoted and bolded is perfectly grammatically correct already: i said some, and nts, which are plural. Any team can surprise any other team on any given sunday. Are pinoys beating top teams regularly?

                        I am sure that pinoy yabang will also lead to pinoys boasting about the gymnastics power of the philippines. After all, yulo won a pair of olympic golds, which not even a team led by kai has yet to do.

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                        • Originally posted by IPC View Post

                          Call me crazy, but I think Quiambao should work towards becoming a secondary ballhandler, or even a point guard. Expands our lineup options after June Mar and Newsome retire.

                          If Malonzo is to have use in the lineup, I think he should focus on 3-point shooting and perimeter defense. We will need the perimeter defense at 3, especially after JB retires.
                          Definitely not crazy at all. Quiambao as a guard brings so much advantage and he has all the tools right now. Him and malonzo are CTC's scottie pippen prototypes, quiambao on offense as a point forward who can facilitate and play all-around while malonzo on defense can guard up and down positions, can guard POA, lengthy and athletic.

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                          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                            Despite RJ Abarrientos having the familiarity with coach Tim's system, I would still prefer a bigger/taller point guard over him. I feel 6-foot-1 combo guard Schonny Winston is worth a try. As offensive skilled RJ Abarrientos is & with his familiarity with the triangle, he is a defensive liability. He would just turnout to be a weak link of Gilas with his inferior defense. Winston on the other hand, from what I saw in his game with La Salle in the UAAP, seems a decent defender & of course can play as point guard.

                            I think its about time we depart from having midget point guard/s in our national team unless of course that midget point guard has exceptional skills, quickness & athleticism like a Jayson Castro or a Johnny Abarrientos (RJ's uncle). RJ obviously is no Castro nor a Johnny A.
                            I get your point but i also see a lot of clamor for heading, and id rather have rj who although is 2 inches shorter but is a similar shooter and defender and brings better ballhandling/playmaking, and familiarity to CTC system.

                            To be clear, i have someone like BRP and maybe tuffin ahead of both heading and rj. I just felt RJ is the most realistic among the four.

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                            • Originally posted by lurklurk View Post

                              I get your point but i also see a lot of clamor for heading, and id rather have rj who although is 2 inches shorter but is a similar shooter and defender and brings better ballhandling/playmaking, and familiarity to CTC system.

                              To be clear, i have someone like BRP and maybe tuffin ahead of both heading and rj. I just felt RJ is the most realistic among the four.

                              RJ does not play defense

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                              • 10-man select team (practice players), off the top of my head:

                                QMB
                                Chiu
                                Arana
                                Baltazar
                                Navarro
                                Tolentino
                                Gray
                                Parks
                                Heading
                                Abarrientos​

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