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  • #12511
    Originally posted by ja.he View Post

    I picked Cyrus Baguio for a very good reason. Per Seigle, I doubt if he can translate his game in international. Pingris was already proven. He and RDO gave the intangibles during their Gilas runs.
    Danny Seigle was the Phi team's most consistent scorer in the Selecta-Euro Cup in 2002 where the RP-Selecta team played the national teams of Latvia, Italy & Ukraine as part of our team's preparation for the 2003 Busan Asian Games. Unfortunately for Seigle, he injured his Achilles Heel in RP team's last tune up game prior to the 2002 Asian Games.

    The thing about Seigle is that at 6-foot-6, he's the tallest natural small forward to have ever played in the PBA prior to Gabe Norwood. I say natural small forward kasi yung iba na yan eh more of a tweener or a combo forward. I remember he is being called a walking mismatch in the PBA during his time becoz if you put a 6-foot-2/6-foot-3 defender on him, he will just overpower or shot over such small defender. If you put a 6-foot-5/6-foot-6 defender on him, chances are such big defender won't be able to keep in step with him.

    I honestly think, if Seigle wasn't injured during the 2002 Asian Games, RP team would have beaten South Korea in the semis & that wus have been a sure silver medal for us. I think no Korean player can guard him at that time.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    • #12512
      Originally posted by live_evil View Post
      The key to our success in the next 10 years is Kouame's exemption. Him being classified as a local will give the Gilas coach a wider range of choice for naturalized players, making Gilas more versatile.
      Originally posted by alfrancis View Post
      An exemption of Kouame or QMB (both will be better) will definitely solve our frontline woes in the next 10 years.
      Originally posted by Dotch View Post
      include Mike Philips
      ​Agree with the bigman exemption takes. Mike, Ange, and maybe QMB provide backup and future options in the interior defense department, which frankly, we have in short supply (which is why we keep calling up Japeth, and a big reason why I think the next first-choice NP should be, at the minimum, a decent interior defender in case AJ gets hurt, and a 4 who can play alongside Kai).

      And like sir live_evil said, exemption for Ange (which I will extend to Mike, and maybe QMB) widens our options for naturalized players. We won't have to worry about interior defense as much, so we can pick a more offensive-minded player, even if he has weaknesses on defense (like JC and Bennie).

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      • #12513
        Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

        Danny Seigle was the Phi team's most consistent scorer in the Selecta-Euro Cup in 2002 where the RP-Selecta team played the national teams of Latvia, Italy & Ukraine as part of our team's preparation for the 2003 Busan Asian Games. Unfortunately for Seigle, he injured his Achilles Heel in RP team's last tune up game prior to the 2002 Asian Games.

        The thing about Seigle is that at 6-foot-6, he's the tallest natural small forward to have ever played in the PBA prior to Gabe Norwood. I say natural small forward kasi yung iba na yan eh more of a tweener or a combo forward. I remember he is being called a walking mismatch in the PBA during his time becoz if you put a 6-foot-2/6-foot-3 defender on him, he will just overpower or shot over such small defender. If you put a 6-foot-5/6-foot-6 defender on him, chances are such big defender won't be able to keep in step with him.

        I honestly think, if Seigle wasn't injured during the 2002 Asian Games, RP team would have beaten South Korea in the semis & that wus have been a sure silver medal for us. I think no Korean player can guard him at that time.
        Sort of why I picked Cyrus Baguio in my list. He only had his 2009 as his NT stint but he was impressive. In fact, he was nearly unguardable in the open court, can defend and has a good perimeter game. Sounds familiar? He was Rhenz Abando before Rhenz Abando with a Terrence Romeo-like handles.
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        • #12514
          Originally posted by ja.he View Post

          Sort of why I picked Cyrus Baguio in my list. He only had his 2009 as his NT stint but he was impressive. In fact, he was nearly unguardable in the open court, can defend and has a good perimeter game. Sounds familiar? He was Rhenz Abando before Rhenz Abando with a Terrence Romeo-like handles.
          I just feel Baguio's impressive performance with the RP team in the 2009 FIBA Asia Championship was just small a sample size to really assess a player's performance in the FIBA game & other international competition.

          Wasn't CJ Perez so impressive playing for Gilas in the 2019 FIBA World Cup? But in the succeeding FIBA or international competitions, he has his share of struggles. But I think overall, CJ Perez is really a vital component of Gilas.

          Would Cyrus Baguio be that impressive had he played for the RP team for 2 more FIBA Asia tournaments or other international competitions?
          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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          • #12515
            Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

            I just feel Baguio's impressive performance with the RP team in the 2009 FIBA Asia Championship was just small a sample size to really assess a player's performance in the FIBA game & other international competition.

            Wasn't CJ Perez so impressive playing for Gilas in the 2019 FIBA World Cup? But in the succeeding FIBA or international competitions, he has his share of struggles. But I think overall, CJ Perez is really a vital component of Gilas.

            Would Cyrus Baguio be that impressive had he played for the RP team for 2 more FIBA Asia tournaments or other international competitions?
            Because he was no longer called up after that since we went Gilas-route. We went amateur after 2009 with PBA players, mostly from TNT, serves as reinforcements. A prime Cyrus Baguio will be a staple to dribble drive of Chot.

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            • #12516
              Originally posted by ja.he View Post

              Because he was no longer called up after that since we went Gilas-route. We went amateur after 2009 with PBA players, mostly from TNT, serves as reinforcements. A prime Cyrus Baguio will be a staple to dribble drive of Chot.

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              Makes me wonder why Baguio wasn't in the RP team pool of coach Chot Reyes in the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship? Baguio was already 27 at that time so he was already at the peak of his career. Among the shooting guards in that 2007 pool were Dondon Hontiveros, Mark Caguioa, Renren Ritualo & James Yap.
              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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              • #12517
                If you are to choose 3 among these players as your shooting guards for the RP team, who would they be?:

                Dondon Hontiveros
                Mark Caguioa
                Cyrus Baguio
                James Yap
                Marcio Lassiter
                Chris Newsome
                CJ Perez


                I'll take Marcio, Dondon & Newsome. All of whom are excellent defenders & meron ding opensa.

                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • #12518
                  Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                  Makes me wonder why Baguio wasn't in the RP team pool of coach Chot Reyes in the 2007 FIBA Asia Championship? Baguio was already 27 at that time so he was already at the peak of his career. Among the shooting guards in that 2007 pool were Dondon Hontiveros, Mark Caguioa, Renren Ritualo & James Yap.
                  2006-07 season was not his peak although he was on his way up. 2007-08, the season after our dismal finish in FIBA-Asia, was his breakout season.

                  Picking Dondon, MC, Renren and James over him during the 2006-07 season was obvious - those 4 were already the more established players in 2006. The players for SMC-Pilipinas were selected around January or February in 2007.

                  Now, had Chot handled our national team in 2009, Cyrus will be surely picked.
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                  • #12519
                    Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                    If you are to choose 3 among these players as your shooting guards for the RP team, who would they be?:

                    Dondon Hontiveros
                    Mark Caguioa
                    Cyrus Baguio
                    James Yap
                    Marcio Lassiter
                    Chris Newsome
                    CJ Perez


                    I'll take Marcio, Dondon & Newsome. All of whom are excellent defenders & meron ding opensa.
                    Hard to choose since they are all good in their primes. However, I will definitely drop James Yap from that list. He was no good in 2009. That was the time na nawalan ako ng bilib sa kanya (trans: I lost confidence on him).

                    I find both Baguio and Caguioa actually underrated defensively because they were really good offensive players.
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                    • #12520
                      Originally posted by ja.he View Post

                      Hard to choose since they are all good in their primes. However, I will definitely drop James Yap from that list. He was no good in 2009. That was the time na nawalan ako ng bilib sa kanya (trans: I lost confidence on him).

                      I find both Baguio and Caguioa actually underrated defensively because they were really good offensive players.
                      Maybe in James Yap's case, it was sort of him not able to adjust to the FIBA game which of course is different from the PBA game. Maybe Big Game James needed more FIBA or international games for him to really get comfortable with it. But for me, Yap's downside is his defense. When compared to the likes of Hontiveros, Lassiter & Newsome in terms of defensive skills, Yap is obviously inferior.

                      Also, Yap is a volume shooter in which in a national team set up in which madami ang scorers, such characteristic by a player won't be good for the team.
                      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                      • #12521
                        Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                        If you are to choose 3 among these players as your shooting guards for the RP team, who would they be?:

                        Dondon Hontiveros
                        Mark Caguioa
                        Cyrus Baguio
                        James Yap
                        Marcio Lassiter
                        Chris Newsome
                        CJ Perez


                        I'll take Marcio, Dondon & Newsome. All of whom are excellent defenders & meron ding opensa.
                        Hontiveros, lassiter and caguioa. DH and marcio are good 2 way players..
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                        • #12522
                          Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                          Maybe in James Yap's case, it was sort of him not able to adjust to the FIBA game which of course is different from the PBA game. Maybe Big Game James needed more FIBA or international games for him to really get comfortable with it. But for me, Yap's downside is his defense. When compared to the likes of Hontiveros, Lassiter & Newsome in terms of defensive skills, Yap is obviously inferior.

                          Also, Yap is a volume shooter in which in a national team set up in which madami ang scorers, such characteristic by a player won't be good for the team.
                          That's actually part of the rationale as to why I don't think it would be wise to add a guy like Arvin Tolentino to the Gilas pool right now. He's a volume scorer. I dunno how he would perform with lower volume. Another big part is that his defense isn't the best, especially in a position (the wing) where I think defense should be a priority.

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                          • #12523
                            Speaking of Caguioa, I think in our 2007 RP team, he & Danny Seigle were the team's go-to-guys. It was just unfortunate that Seigle was always stymied by injuries at that time. Caguioa can deliver 15 to 20 pts in a game for the RP team during that time. At walang kahirap-hirap para sa kanya yun eh.

                            Caguioa's downside is his tendency to freelance at times which would be detrimental to the team.
                            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                            • #12524
                              Originally posted by IPC View Post

                              That's actually part of the rationale as to why I don't think it would be wise to add a guy like Arvin Tolentino to the Gilas pool right now. He's a volume scorer. I dunno how he would perform with lower volume. Another big part is that his defense isn't the best, especially in a position (the wing) where I think defense should be a priority.
                              I feel Oftana & Malonzo can do a better job on defense at the 3 spot than Arvin Tolentino.
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • #12525
                                For me, if you already have a Kai Sotto, a Junmar, a go-to-guy type of a player in JB, & a Dwight Ramos who are all natural scorers, you won't be needing someone who can't offer anything to the team other than scoring.

                                CJ Perez, AJ Edu, Oftana & Malonzo can score as well.
                                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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