Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[BJ_Reloaded]

majority of us here in IBNeverse, basketball stakeholders, sports media and people behind NBTC are already well educated on FIBA's eligibility rules as a whole.

okay here we go.."ilatag na natin ang baraha unti unti all the storyline for all of us to benefit either for discussion sake or just for reading consumption.

for me personally "hindi ako magsasawa" posting the same thing until kingdom come because I love what I'm doing as a Filipino Sports fan.

no need for too much X's and O's thing just make it simple as much as possible.

as the saying goes the classic adage " Just Talk in English", "Simpleng Paliwanag lang Pre".

let's start on this.

we've already known as per FIBA handbook that a player who already played in a sanctioned tournament in the youth level has a chance to play in a Senior level for another National Federation for as long as he/she already obtained a document e.g. Passport identifying him/her self as "dual citizen" thru one of his/her parent(s), grandparent(s), uncles, aunties either paternal or maternal side.

both National Federation, Parent(s) and the player(s) already agreed on all principle for the changing of allegiance

less conditions will be impose if the kid already acquired hi/her documents before turning 16 yrs. old compared to the dudes who only acquire it after the age of 23 yrs. old

that is why majority of those hafu kids and their respective parents who will participate on future NBTC and the annual Las Vegas summer camp already obtain(ed) their respective PH Passport

thanks to those pinoy organization on the information dissemination.

A. the best example for this is JJ kid Mandaquit and allegedly Kamaka Hepa whom despite playing for Team USA U16,U17 and U18 respectively had a strong chance to play for Gilas Senior because they already obtained their respective PH Passport before turning 16 yr. old

I think same scenario for that Fil-Can hotshot kid who played for Team CAN in the recently concluded WC U17(I stand to be corrected on this)

now to those hafu kids who only acquired their respective documents after turning 16 yr. old but not after 23 yrs. old and turning 24 yrs. old therefore more conditions will be impose like strong domestic connection among others.

B. the best example for this is the likes of Michael Philips, Kai Ballugay, Chris Koon, Zav Lucero, James Laput, Sean Alter among others had a strong chance to be exempted because of their strong domestic connections same thing with Ange Koume and Favour Onoh whom despite not having a Filipino blood but had a strong domestic connection due to the fact that they lived, studied and developed here as a player and as a person when they are still in their teenage years.

C. as for Remy Martin, despite acquiring(?) his PH Passport few weeks or few months after turning 16 yrs. old but not yet(?) 17 yrs. old may encounter(ed) some rough time moving forward because he is not yet involve in any domestic activities same with Kamaka Hepa whose only appearance was at NBTC 2017(?) I think by playing in the PBA are no-brainer if the intention is to get an exemption moving forward.

I stand to be corrected on this, as far as QMB are concern who turned 24 last Aug. 9, 2024, I think he barely obtained his ph docs when he is already 22 yrs. old but not yet 23 yrs old. Certainly not during his daisy years(16,17,18, 19), even though it is literally stated in the FIBA handbook the 23 yr. old window to those who wants to change allegiance. he didn't play on any FIBA sanctioned event during his youth days. certainly he is automatically tag as naturalized if ever SBP try to include him now

but I think as a whole, the wisdom of that 23 yr. old window are also applied to all, as far as my personal knowledge, pls. correct me on this. .

D. as for Sedrick Barefield who will turn 28 this coming Nov. 18, 2024 and only obtained his PH Passport when he is already 26 yrs. old same scenario with QMB

E. as for the likes of Stephen Holt and next year's PBA aspirant DJ Fenner both international level talent and on their early 30's. certainly the door for exemption are already close despite being involved(now) in the domestic league. they are in the same breath as JC, Cstand and Stan the Man

F. as for Ron Harper Jr., Kihei Clark, Jalen Green among others recognizes their Filipino roots but hasn't obtain yet the required PH docs will be considered as naturalized for now.

G. as for the likes of D1 level hafus Dylan Harper(future NBA 1st rounder), Thomas Batties, Travis Roberts Terrence Hill Jr., Sage Tolentino, Angelino Mark, Vyc Miller among others has still had a chance for future exemption without too much restrictions while they are in their respective teen years except for Sage whom I think is barely 20 yr. old now.

H. as for the likes of Jordan Mize, Kainoa Patton among others and barely 15 yrs. old, I think it is the right time for them to obtain that PH Passport to avoid those FIBA conditions along the way.

overall, I think, it has a fighting chance for such exemption for those on letter A, B, C, D, G, H on the road for WC 2031 or 2035 and Olympics 2032 but not now, for the timeline of 2025 to 2030, let them experience first playing in the PBA, SEA Games and Asian Games, for me that's the "Rule Of Thumb".

because we are fully aware that once FIBA tag those pinoy hafus as "naturalized", it's very very difficult to revise everything case like JC, Cstan, Stanley and Justine Noypi(kitam!!)

"Patience is one best virtue".

for letter E and F, well, it will take a very big revision on the part of FIBA to do some major revision on their existing handbook. it's like climbing the peak of Mt. Everest

Agai, it's now in the hand of ED Ericka Dy and her circles if they are in the same page as ours because we all know the attitude of Grandpa Al, Granda Vargas and Grandpa Chualay

those 3 Senior guys are the bridge for RSA and MVP

they are the exact sequence for such process.

[Joe Yabuki]

reg the professional league, does the PBA D League count? I mean sure most of the participants are tied to collegiate basketball but there are some "professional" teams in there as well.

[BJ_Reloaded]

I forgot to add this

exemption cases like Eric Gordon and idol Klay of the Bahamas

Tyler Lamb, Moises Morgan and Fred Lish of Thailand

and others, let them be our inspiration in 7 to 10 yrs. time

yup, stint in 3x3 is one way to establish things as a sanctioned tourney

let's not rush things for now, CTC's line-up is up to LA 2028

FIBA 2031 to 2035 is the goal

if SBP are planning to submit list of players for possible exemption.

[Sikatrix]

afaik CS has also mentioned that he is retired from playing for the national team. so theres no point to lobby him as a local at this point.

CS looked really bad last conference. Terrafirma played better when he went down.

[IPC]

No Jordan Heading for the 2nd window?
It's frustrating that Japeth is still considered for the 2nd window despite AJ Edu already available for the 2nd window. Gilas already have a solid frontline with Kai, Junmar, AJ Edu, Tamayo & JB (who plays both the 4 & 3 positions). It's the positions 1 & 2 na manipis tayo with Iskati, CJ Perez, Chris Newsome & Dwight Ramos. Coach Tim should have added Jordan Heading instead of keep on recalling Japeth for Gilas service despite his advanced age. I think it's time for coach Tim to retire Japeth Aguilar for good from the national team.

With June Mar, Kai, and AJ, we don't need Japeth that much. However, when one or two of Kai and AJ is unavailable, that's when we need another rim protecting big. That's when Japeth comes into play. However, Japeth's 37, and was subpar this Finals on both ends.

In the alternative, we need a good defensive wing who can at least prevent dribble penetration. JB can defend, but he's 36, and he couldn't stop some TNT PnR's in the Finals. Oftana was decent in the OQT on that end, team-defense wise, but I also noticed that he did stay connected after getting screened too. I rewatched some parts of the OQT games. Hope Malonzo can be a decent man-to-man defender. We will especially need that when JB retires.

We really need either someone who can defend at either 3/4 or 4/5 after JB retires, so that when both Kai and AJ aren't on the floor, our defense can still make life tough for the opponent.

[IPC]

Maybe in the 3rd window we would be saying the same about Japeth - "just this window only"
And we might be saying that even in the 2027 FIBA World Cup qualifying windows.

Japeth had already retired from national team service after last year's Asian Games, right? But coach Tim had to recall him out of retirement in the 1st window becoz Gilas didn't have AJ Edu & Junmar last February so mejo manipis tayo sa frontline. But Junmar & AJ Edu are available for the 2nd window. So why call up Japeth again for the 2nd window? That's one spot being used to an old player who wouldn't be serviceable for Gilas in a few years time. That spot should have been given to a young & developing player instead.

We're thin in the rim protector area. After Kai and AJ, it's just Japeth, Erram, and Carino. Ange is an NP, and Mike Phillips and QMB are ineligible.

Considering our forward corps in the 14-man pool, we need either a wing defender at 3 to and/or a paint protector at 4 or 5 to help prevent penetration. Scheme can only do so much if the materials aren't adequate.

[reamily]

CS looked really bad last conference. Terrafirma played better when he went down.

It was really a figure it out experience for him just go back to the basics..

[one21guns]

Read the rules stated by FIBA robert.. just explaining it to you.

You obviously didnt back read what was discuss numerous times about jawato

See this is your problem. Your wordings. Its always your looking for a fight..

The classic Robert retort "Mas marunong ka pa kay..." whenever he is slammed with rock solid verified facts. Lol

[IPC]

Maybe in the 3rd window we would be saying the same about Japeth - "just this window only"
And we might be saying that even in the 2027 FIBA World Cup qualifying windows.

Japeth had already retired from national team service after last year's Asian Games, right? But coach Tim had to recall him out of retirement in the 1st window becoz Gilas didn't have AJ Edu & Junmar last February so mejo manipis tayo sa frontline. But Junmar & AJ Edu are available for the 2nd window. So why call up Japeth again for the 2nd window? That's one spot being used to an old player who wouldn't be serviceable for Gilas in a few years time. That spot should have been given to a young & developing player instead.

That’s what happens when you’re too rigid and insistent on having a “12 player” pool.

I, personally, would include youngsters like Zain, Konov, Gagate, F. Lopez, and Raven Cortez.

Or even Navarro, Chiu, Heading, Abando, Bolick, etc.

The current system we have now is too politicized and biased in favor of GSM and SMC players.

I stand by what I said since the first window: it should have been a 16-18 player pool.

And among those 12, JB (36), June Mar (35 in a few days), Newsome (34), Scottie (31), and CJ (31 in a few days) are over 30. I think Scottie and CJ can make it to 2027-28, but we need a long-term successor for JB, June Mar, and Newsome.

[Joe Yabuki]

I do not want Japeth at all, bring back Erram if the have to but Japeth was very exposed on the TNT series to the point where a 40 yr old Devance looked better

[sroth3839]

I do not want Japeth at all, bring back Erram if the have to but Japeth was very exposed on the TNT series to the point where a 40 yr old Devance looked better

Chiu and Amos could use the experience.

But CTC being CTC, he will still opt for Japeth because he knows the “system”.

[Joe Yabuki]

Chiu and Amos could use the experience.

But CTC being CTC, he will still opt for Japeth because he knows the “system”.

Ideally its a young big man for me as well. Though Amos might be there as replacement for Jamie. Though id like him to give Carino a try. In a perfect world this is Balti's spot but the MPBL finals is just approaching and he wont make it on time.

[JAMSKIE]

Chiu and Amos could use the experience.

But CTC being CTC, he will still opt for Japeth because he knows the “system”.

The "he knows the system" should only be applicable during the infancy of the program. The Gilas program program under coach Tim dates back from last year's Asian Games which means that right now, the Gilas program under coach Tim is no longer in its infancy. I think it's time that the Gilas team weans from having a player who is in the program only becoz of his familiarity with coach Tim's system. I think the team has already "grown" significantly after last year's Asian Games, the 1st window 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers last February & the 2024 Olympic Qualifying Tournament last July. The program is no longer in its infancy.

[IPC]

I just think CTC retires after 2027 or 2028 at most. Then rebuilding again, unless the successor is someone like LA who might continue the triangle.

After 2027-2028, I think we could still have a core to build around. Kai, AJ, Dwight, the new NP (if JB retires before the WC, OQT, or Olympics), and depending on their performance, Carl, Quiambao, Mason, and Malonzo.

We might need to do something about Scottie and CJ, since Scottie will be 35 in July 2028 and CJ will be 34 by then (Scottie will be 34 and CJ will be 33 by August-September 2027). That is close to retirement age. Before then, we have the JB, June Mar, and Newsome situations, which we might need to address soon.

[BJ_Reloaded]

in reality, as a typical fan I am not that bothered if the current roster specifically in the 1 and 2 position had decided to call it off after the 2027-28 cycle

as you guys mentioned Newsome, Scoty 2 Hottie and Baby Beast are already in the retiring age as far as Gilas duties are concern.

we have abundance of players to choose from

just for discussion sake, assuming the stars are align to us and some players decided to shift allegiance and the new sets of SBP officials

are visionaries.

we have several future NBA level guys and Div 1 talents courtesy of NBTC with Fil-Nation Select, NABA, Tumakbo among others

surely our homegrown dudes are no push over as well, MPBL Jrs., UAAP, NCAA among others

still, my main concern is the 3, 4 and 5 position,

as I mentioned many times before those spots are still vulnerable and glassy.

hoping our NF had a better grassroot program to reach out to those younglings and their handlers to somehow come up

and offer them some trainings to somehow maximize their potentials and I'm talking about kids with heights.

oh dear!! the word "Financial Budget" suddenly pop up in my mind

"awan ti kwarta pala in the youth program".

I do hope I'm totally wrong now.