Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Rds]

not really.ping even with MBA at cebu gems, he was already fit and not heavy. unpolished but the hussle was there. i was always excited to see him play for the gems during his days.

I stand corrected. But looking at his younger pics it seems he lost some weight. But I still maintain if Cone didnt handle him he might not have been the player we know now. He doesnt have good post moves for a big. Doesnt have an outside shot. He is a good defender but you have to be creative in putting him in offensive sets. With Tim Cone he didnt need to be a good scorer nor did he need to play many minutes. What if Leo handled him? How was his play in Air 21 or before Cone handled him?

[IPC]

I stand corrected. But looking at his younger pics it seems he lost some weight. But I still maintain if Cone didnt handle him he might not have been the player we know now. He doesnt have good post moves for a big. Doesnt have an outside shot. He is a good defender but you have to be creative in putting him in offensive sets. With Tim Cone he didnt need to be a good scorer nor did he need to play many minutes. What if Leo handled him? How was his play in Air 21 or before Cone handled him?

He actually made his money under Ryan Gregorio's Purefoods, the with Siot Tanquincen in San Miguel, then with Purefoods again under Gregorio and Cone.

Most probably he developed under Gregorio. Purefoods had Simon, Yap, and Raymundo. Ping just had to rebound and defend.

[thatweirdguy]

He actually made his money under Ryan Gregorio's Purefoods, the with Siot Tanquincen in San Miguel, then with Purefoods again under Gregorio and Cone.

Most probably he developed under Gregorio. Purefoods had Simon, Yap, and Raymundo. Ping just had to rebound and defend.

Ping development surprised me. He had a lot of moves and his basketball IQ was off the charts later on his career. Especially during their weird San Miguel Coffee/ Bmeg phase. Almost as if he's a different player.

[IPC]

Ping development surprised me. He had a lot of moves and his basketball IQ was off the charts later on his career. Especially during their weird San Miguel Coffee/ Bmeg phase. Almost as if he's a different player.

Oh, yeah, I forgot. His improvement on offense was under Cone and his triangle. It helped him be a good passer, and developed a bit of a post game.

[Rodbi]

Ping development surprised me. He had a lot of moves and his basketball IQ was off the charts later on his career. Especially during their weird San Miguel Coffee/ Bmeg phase. Almost as if he's a different player.

Pre-CTC Ping - one of those tough and no-fear guys. Can be lumped with the likes of Ronnie Matias, Belga, Espinas, Jondan Salvador, etc., but would still rise above as he had the edge in athleticism and motor.

During and post-CTC Ping - definitely was a Gilas cornerstone. Used well his pro career-developed attributes, which helped him show steadiness and maturity in the international game.

[IPC]

Any news of the possible Gilas stint in the PBA 2nd conference?

Hanggang ngayon, wala pa rin. Man, I hope to see Gilas in action again.

[IPC]

Jonnel Policarpio also from that Delta stable like Balthazar, 6'5 with 6'10 wingspan, has potential to be a wing looks more like a Giannis of player type for now

https://slamonlineph.com/slamrisingstars-2019-jonnel-policarpio/

Standing at 6’4″ with a 6’9″ wingspan, the Mapua Red Robins’ Jonnel Policarpio could be the next “Spider-Man” in the Philippine basketball scene. He already introduced himself as one of the elite high school players in the country in just his first year.

The rookie made his debut in the last NCAA season, where right away, he made a positive impact. He impressed, despite having the immense pressure to fill the void that former MVP Will Gozum and Mythical selection Warren Bonifacio left.

The 16-year-old forward won the rookie of the year award in the NCAA season 94 Juniors Division and was a huge reason why Mapua won their second title in three years after reclaiming the crown from La Salle Greenhills in their finals rematch.

Jonnel has the potential to follow in Arwind Santos’ footsteps. He plays the same position and hails from Pampanga as well. But more than that, it’s because of his incredible length and athleticism. Both of them have a knack for battling for the rebounds despite their skinny frame. Both are great rim protectors, using their long wingspan to deter shots.

I wonder if Tab can talk with Pineda again to get this kid. If he develops into an effective wing player, this is going to be great both for Gilas and for La Salle.

I hope Gilas is making an effort to recruit this kid into the program. He shows good upside to be a wing and to guard the 2, 3, and 4 positions thanks to his 6'5" height, athleticism, and 6'10" wingspan. Hope Gilas can get an opportunity to develop him.

He's a Pineda kid. Again, hope Tab can talk to Pineda about letting him play for (or at least practice with) the senior team.

[JAMSKIE]

Hanggang ngayon, wala pa rin. Man, I hope to see Gilas in action again.

I have a feeling its coach Tab who doesn't really like the idea of a PBA stint by Gilas. Perhaps he thinks that PBA style of play doesn't replicate the FIBA style of game, hence a Gilas stint in the PBA would be a bit detrimental to the national team.

Whatever, I think all of us here would be in agreement that Gilas should have an international tournament stint prior to the February window qualifier games. Perhaps the Dubai International tournament would be a very good option.

[IPC]

Mark Pingris is really a one of a kind big man. Imagine a 6-foot-4 power forward/"four" being able to hold his own or even get the better against 6-foot-7/6-foot-8 Asian counterparts. Imagine how much height Ping had to give up against those taller Asian power forwards or fours. Eh yung ibang bigs ma outsized lang ng 1 or 2 inches ng kalaban eh sira na ang laro. And we're talking here of an undersized big guy whose outside shooting is non-existent.

But as I've said, Ping is a one of a kind type of a player. He's almost a generational type of a player. It would be very very dificult to find another Mark Pingris out there. Just as it would be very very difficult to find another Charles Barkley who like Pingris was also an undersized power forward yet one of the best in the planet during his era.

Pingris' toughness, energy & competitiveness are ridiculous that they more than compensate for his shortcoming in size & skills.

Ping really transcended his position and could guard any position on the floor. This is why in my opinion, a Pingris type can be a big, or even a wing or a guard.

The question is, who is probably the closest? That guy can guard at least 4 positions, just to approximate Ping.

[JAMSKIE]

https://www.interbasket.net/forums/showthread.php?59765-Philippines-Senior-National-Team-Thread-Vol-V/page69

This player is considered a late bloomer to think that some 4 years ago, his name was nowhere in Philippine amateur basketball. This to think that 4 years ago, he was already 21 yrs old - an age when most Pinoy basketball players are usually already making a name in amateur basketball. I've read his basketball career story which of course is very inspiring considering that he learned to play the game very late & he lived in a place so remote that he wasn't even aware of the NCAA & UAAP college basketball. Imagine if this guy get to play the game much earlier & got exposed to quality training & competition early in his basketball career. I think his basketball skills & athleticism are just so natural that even with inferior basketball background he is able to excel in the game & even became an MVP in college basketball.

[DAdmiral]

I know two different players , but I see similarities with late Boomer Yanni Wetzel who was a tennis player , grew 6 inches in senior high school. And is now probably the best Kiwi big not names Adams
If not mistaken Ping was a track athlete. There is something to be said about being a good all around athlete, but I don't think Ping could have done the things he did if he was not a good athlete.
It's the same with Wetzel. (He outplayed Zhou BTW using his quickness)
So back to question on who is the next Ping, i think a key thing is look for is a good all around athlete. I'm not referring to hops.
But motor and mobility.. with it comes strength and balance. Look at Rodman the greatest rebounder, he didn't jump as high as say Vince Carter , but I think he was a better all around athlete, BTW Dennis was also a late bloomer
BTW if Thirdy was 6'4 and didn't have skill , he could be the type of player

On a personal coaching note .. I coached a college team recently and at 1st I thought my tall 6'7 and above bigs would be my main guys , but in the end it was a 6'3 or 6'2 athlete who I could rely on most inside and on defense. It comes down to value .. what can they do on the court .. and it shows in plus minus ..my team plays better when an active, mobile guy who does not miss rotations is ther rather than a tall player who misses assignments. And isn't in the right position alot , is always late to rotate or get to a ball.

[mathematicianrcg]

I know two different players , but I see similarities with late Boomer Yanni Wetzel who was a tennis player , grew 6 inches in senior high school. And is now probably the best Kiwi big not names Adams
If not mistaken Ping was a track athlete. There is something to be said about being a good all around athlete, but I don't think Ping could have done the things he did if he was not a good athlete.
It's the same with Wetzel. (He outplayed Zhou BTW using his quickness)
So back to question on who is the next Ping, i think a key thing is look for is a good all around athlete. I'm not referring to hops.
But motor and mobility.. with it comes strength and balance. Look at Rodman the greatest rebounder, he didn't jump as high as say Vince Carter , but I think he was a better all around athlete, BTW Dennis was also a late bloomer
BTW if Thirdy was 6'4 and didn't have skill , he could be the type of player

On a personal coaching note .. I coached a college team recently and at 1st I thought my tall 6'7 and above bigs would be my main guys , but in the end it was a 6'3 or 6'2 athlete who I could rely on most inside and on defense. It comes down to value .. what can they do on the court .. and it shows in plus minus ..my team plays better when an active, mobile guy who does not miss rotations is ther rather than a tall player who misses assignments. And isn't in the right position alot , is always late to rotate or get to a ball.

It just means the college team you coached doesn't have a 6'7 and above Mobile, Skilled, and Athletic players.

[IPC]

I know two different players , but I see similarities with late Boomer Yanni Wetzel who was a tennis player , grew 6 inches in senior high school. And is now probably the best Kiwi big not names Adams
If not mistaken Ping was a track athlete. There is something to be said about being a good all around athlete, but I don't think Ping could have done the things he did if he was not a good athlete.
It's the same with Wetzel. (He outplayed Zhou BTW using his quickness)
So back to question on who is the next Ping, i think a key thing is look for is a good all around athlete. I'm not referring to hops.
But motor and mobility.. with it comes strength and balance. Look at Rodman the greatest rebounder, he didn't jump as high as say Vince Carter , but I think he was a better all around athlete, BTW Dennis was also a late bloomer
BTW if Thirdy was 6'4 and didn't have skill , he could be the type of player

On a personal coaching note .. I coached a college team recently and at 1st I thought my tall 6'7 and above bigs would be my main guys , but in the end it was a 6'3 or 6'2 athlete who I could rely on most inside and on defense. It comes down to value .. what can they do on the court .. and it shows in plus minus ..my team plays better when an active, mobile guy who does not miss rotations is ther rather than a tall player who misses assignments. And isn't in the right position alot , is always late to rotate or get to a ball.

Come to think of it, yeah, I think Thirdy could be that guy if he were 6'4". He already has the strength, mobility, motor, and hops. But hey, him being a defender for 1-3 isn't bad.

Call me crazy, but I think, among the current Gilas seniors, the next all-around Ping-type defense guy could be Dwight. Motor's not exactly Ping-level, but he does have the mobility and strength to probably defend 1-4 at his peak. He like Ping has a good IQ as well, and could rebound.

We also have guys like Navarro and Baltazar in the fold as versatile defenders, but their strength could use a little work, they might need it to defend fours.

[IPC]

Come to think of it, yeah, I think Thirdy could be that guy if he were 6'4". He already has the strength, mobility, motor, and hops. But hey, him being a defender for 1-3 isn't bad.

Call me crazy, but I think, among the current Gilas seniors, the next all-around Ping-type defense guy could be Dwight. Motor's not exactly Ping-level, but he does have the mobility and strength to probably defend 1-4 at his peak. He like Ping has a good IQ as well, and could rebound.

We also have guys like Navarro and Baltazar in the fold as versatile defenders, but their strength could use a little work, they might need it to defend fours.

Now that I think about it, it's nice that Gilas has a roster of versatile defenders at our disposal. Thirdy, Dwight, Navarro, Baltazar, Kouame.

Back then, our local defenders were just Gabe, Ping, and back then, Kelly, and to an extent even Japeth later on, and then CJ. Too bad we never got to see these guys play together at the same time.

[mathematicianrcg]

Now that I think about it, it's nice that Gilas has a roster of versatile defenders at our disposal. Thirdy, Dwight, Navarro, Baltazar, Kouame.

Back then, our local defenders were just Gabe, Ping, and back then, Kelly, and to an extent even Japeth later on, and then CJ. Too bad we never got to see these guys play together at the same time.

Funny, how we are really like this. We appreciate more, the Players when they were gone. And a glamour of wanting exactly the same, or even a better/taller version of them.

Like:

After Caidic retired - " Who is our next Allan Caidic Shooter?"

After Castro Retired - "Who is our next Best PG in Asia?"

Now it is " Who are the Next Ping and Next Norwood"

And I am certain in the future: "Who is the Next Kai, or Who is the Next AJ?"

Yes, it is a shame that we can't have them all at once. But very fortunate that every era, we have a unique player in our arsenal.

PS: I think we are slowly but surely getting better at each position. Talent Wise and Heightwise