Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[ccharmed]

Cone is rather easy to outcoach, as his offensive and defensive patterns are easy to read. The fact that an execrable nt coach but a pba-quality coach, like seyer can handle and control his ginebra team is the best proof of that.

Cone, like all previous ginebra coaches, overly rely on rabid noisy ginebra fans. Relying on noisy fans for nt games is not good coaching. And cone has serious issues here. First, the arrogance in not naming a complete 15-16 man nt pool. Sending an 11-man team as he did disrespects other nts who always try to send their 12 best players. Worst, he didnt include an extra legit big like kouame or other 6'9 lnaturalized or local player, an extra international game scoring pecialist like heading or even parks, and a 2-way specialist like baltazar or abando in the pool.. Fooling around with the nt pool is exactly what cone did. Losing prime bigs like kai and aj is bad; but not having ready replacements for them is worse.

Getting too many ginebra players, or an unreliable youth like amos, against say, nz, aus, sk or jpn nt teams is not wise. The non-playing kobe paras is still better than amos in the international game.

Worst, the pbs absconded on its main raison d'etre and duty to look for financial sponsors for extra nt-class players. Why, the sponsors of the pampanga lanterns can help the pool-related expenses of baltazar. The financial limits imposed on the nt by the sanmig group, must never be the funding limit of the pbs in creating strong nt pools all year.

Besides, the players in the pool, even if they were not chosen in a particular match, say against nz, would still be proud and privileged by being named as nt players. Every match requires a different set or look: some require extra bigs, some need extra bigtime shooters, some need bigger and stronger defenders, etc.

We already know that not all the best players will be available, and some opponents will be extra weak. So, other nt-class pool players like heading, parks, baltazar abando or bolick are more than worthy against, say hongkong or china. All nt players deserve rest. It is really not too bright to expect players to play more than one major tournament or two qualifying home-away nt games a year. If the pinoy nt coach has no Plan B to have competent replacements for say missing both kai and aj, then that coach is simply undeserving of being an nt coach.

[IPC]

RHJ's 3pt shooting is suspect. It was exposed during the championship game between Gilas & Jordan in last year's Asian Games. He isn't like a Justin Brownlee na talagang deadly from 3pt range.

Yeah, you need shooters around a guy like RHJ just to offset his lack of shooting.

[IPC]

Cone is rather easy to outcoach, as his offensive and defensive patterns are easy to read. The fact that an execrable nt coach but a pba-quality coach, like seyer can handle and control his ginebra team is the best proof of that.

Cone, like all previous ginebra coaches, overly rely on rabid noisy ginebra fans. Relying on noisy fans for nt games is not good coaching. And cone has serious issues here. First, the arrogance in not naming a complete 15-16 man nt pool. Sending an 11-man team as he did disrespects other nts who always try to send their 12 best players. Worst, he didnt include an extra legit big like kouame or other 6'9 lnaturalized or local player, an extra international game scoring pecialist like heading or even parks, and a 2-way specialist like baltazar or abando in the pool.. Fooling around with the nt pool is exactly what cone did. Losing prime bigs like kai and aj is bad; but not having ready replacements for them is worse.

Getting too many ginebra players, or an unreliable youth like amos, against say, nz, aus, sk or jpn nt teams is not wise. The non-playing kobe paras is still better than amos in the international game.

Worst, the pbs absconded on its main raison d'etre and duty to look for financial sponsors for extra nt-class players. Why, the sponsors of the pampanga lanterns can help the pool-related expenses of baltazar. The financial limits imposed on the nt by the sanmig group, must never be the funding limit of the pbs in creating strong nt pools all year.

Besides, the players in the pool, even if they were not chosen in a particular match, say against nz, would still be proud and privileged by being named as nt players. Every match requires a different set or look: some require extra bigs, some need extra bigtime shooters, some need bigger and stronger defenders, etc.

We already know that not all the best players will be available, and some opponents will be extra weak. So, other nt-class pool players like heading, parks, baltazar abando or bolick are more than worthy against, say hongkong or china. All nt players deserve rest. It is really not too bright to expect players to play more than one major tournament or two qualifying home-away nt games a year. If the pinoy nt coach has no Plan B to have competent replacements for say missing both kai and aj, then that coach is simply undeserving of being an nt coach.

To be fair to Chot, TNT did become a defensive team under him. Guess he did learn from the Gilas learning experiences. Hahahahahaha.

But yeah, we should get personnel that can be capable backups for Kai and AJ, or at the very least, get players who can compensate for their absence, especially defensively.

[JAMSKIE]

Yeah, you need shooters around a guy like RHJ just to offset his lack of shooting.

This is the reason why we really like Brownlee as he is a deadly 3pt shooter & a versatile player at that. Aside from a deadshot from the 3pt range, Brownlee can slash, can hit from mid-range & can even post up. Of course Brownlee can defend too.

If I am to choose between JB & RHJ, I will still choose JB. The only downside on JB is his age.

[carmelo7]

Cone is rather easy to outcoach, as his offensive and defensive patterns are easy to read. The fact that an execrable nt coach but a pba-quality coach, like seyer can handle and control his ginebra team is the best proof of that.

Cone, like all previous ginebra coaches, overly rely on rabid noisy ginebra fans. Relying on noisy fans for nt games is not good coaching. And cone has serious issues here. First, the arrogance in not naming a complete 15-16 man nt pool. Sending an 11-man team as he did disrespects other nts who always try to send their 12 best players. Worst, he didnt include an extra legit big like kouame or other 6'9 lnaturalized or local player, an extra international game scoring pecialist like heading or even parks, and a 2-way specialist like baltazar or abando in the pool.. Fooling around with the nt pool is exactly what cone did. Losing prime bigs like kai and aj is bad; but not having ready replacements for them is worse.

Getting too many ginebra players, or an unreliable youth like amos, against say, nz, aus, sk or jpn nt teams is not wise. The non-playing kobe paras is still better than amos in the international game.

Worst, the pbs absconded on its main raison d'etre and duty to look for financial sponsors for extra nt-class players. Why, the sponsors of the pampanga lanterns can help the pool-related expenses of baltazar. The financial limits imposed on the nt by the sanmig group, must never be the funding limit of the pbs in creating strong nt pools all year.

Besides, the players in the pool, even if they were not chosen in a particular match, say against nz, would still be proud and privileged by being named as nt players. Every match requires a different set or look: some require extra bigs, some need extra bigtime shooters, some need bigger and stronger defenders, etc.

We already know that not all the best players will be available, and some opponents will be extra weak. So, other nt-class pool players like heading, parks, baltazar abando or bolick are more than worthy against, say hongkong or china. All nt players deserve rest. It is really not too bright to expect players to play more than one major tournament or two qualifying home-away nt games a year. If the pinoy nt coach has no Plan B to have competent replacements for say missing both kai and aj, then that coach is simply undeserving of being an nt coach.

One of the worst takes I've ever read and seen in years. Cone and his version of Gilas won in Asian games, against Latvia and made Gilas competitive against Poland, Turkey, Georgia and Brazil. And just because they dropped 2 games in the PBA finals and doesn't follow your dream selection process he's now a terrible coach w/ an awful program.
You don't understand the dynamics of building a national team on a Philippine setting, we're not China that can just call up
players that we need. Numerous favors and deals have to be settled before players (outside of SMC) can step on the court.

[ccharmed]

One of the worst take I've ever read and seen in years. Cone and his version of Gilas won in Asian games, against Latvia and made Gilas competitive against Poland, Turkey, Georgia and Brazil. And just because they dropped 2 games in the PBA finals and doesn't follow your dream selection process he's now a terrible coach w/ an awful program.
You don't understand the dynamics of building a national team on a Philippine setting, we're not China that can just call up
players that we need. Numerous favors and deals have to be settled before players (outside of SMC) can step on the court.

Definitely another unthinking fan of cone or ginebra, or both who makes irrational allegations and conclusions. I never said that cone is "terrible" as a coach. I stated that he can be outcoached by "bahala na kayo" coach seyer, who, as others posted, somehow got his tnt team to defend better.

You can really fault cone for facts that can withstand honest analysis: (a) the fiba allows him to always form a 12 man team, but he crippled the team so he ended with 11; (b) he had no plan b for the missing kai and aj; (c) he stuck with amos when there were clearly far better proven players within and outside the pba. You really thought latvia prepared for the pinoy nt team with forgetable records? The brazil coach said they prepared for the philippine nt. Brazil didnt have problems with cone's coaching at all.

"Worse take" it is for this unthinking fan. "You dont understand" ... There. Somehow he crowned himself and assumed already he is worthy to understand anything, and others cant.

Getting "favors and deals". Really???? That is not a job for the coach. That is the work of the sbp. Akala ko ba "samahan" ang sbp??? Oops, it might be "samaan".

[PeeZones]

Cone doesnt have the personnel against a strong small ball playing team. He doesnt have bigs who could pound it inside. I saw some clips and he tried to play small ball. Tim prefers to play big but he only has japeth at his disposable. Isaac Go would be a liability in a running game but it doesnt mean Chot is better. Chot is only better because he faces a team who doesnt have a dominant ala Sanmig.

It is already November. Can someone post the tallblack's roster so we can check if they parade a lesser version?lol I bet most leagues would go on a break during that time. NZ players aren't stars in the NBL or even in JBL so they should supposedly be available unless injured.

https://www.teampilipinas.info/2021/...-game.html?m=1

[carmelo7]

There's a reason you're on that profession and not coaching at the highest level. And you're so called "honest analysis" is no better than the casual fan

Getting favors and deals is the work of the SBP???
Aahhh now its clear, you're a newbie.
My apologies for taking your comments seriously, go on now.

[ccharmed]

There's a reason you're on that profession and not coaching at the highest level. And you're so called "honest analysis" is no better than the casual fan

Getting favors and deals is the work of the SBP???
Aahhh now its clear, you're a newbie.
My apologies for taking your comments seriously, go on now.

So you crowned yourself to be an authority on "honest analysis" and the "casual fan". Your hypocrisy is leaking from your grade 5 level comments. Go back to elementary school.

[carmelo7]

I see you got offended newbie, sorry kid

[ccharmed]

I see you got offended newbie, sorry kid

Idiot. I am a retiree, and have watched basketball since the 1960s. I have several STEM (science, engineering, tech, math) degrees and pro certificates. Your reasoning is exactly the same i have heard from grade 5 kids playing basketball. I cant be offended by fools like you. And yes, i studied in europe and watched european nt and pro basketball when i could.

[IPC]

This is the reason why we really like Brownlee as he is a deadly 3pt shooter & a versatile player at that. Aside from a deadshot from the 3pt range, Brownlee can slash, can hit from mid-range & can even post up. Of course Brownlee can defend too.

If I am to choose between JB & RHJ, I will still choose JB. The only downside on JB is his age.

RHJ's a game-changer on defense. I think all he'll need to help him is a decent rim protector and a good defensive scheme. Even if the guys around him are one-way players, it's fine as long as the scheme is there and they can follow it, because he's great on defense and can cover up for them.

With JB, he plugs a lot of holes. Create his own shot, playmaking, clutch, and defense, whether on the perimeter or in the interior. Although, right now, he's having difficulty against TNT, and I think he had difficulty scoring against Brazil in the OQT.

Either way, I think it's easier to build teams around them as NP's due to their versatility, especially on defense (which is especially the case for RHJ).

[carmelo7]

Idiot. I am a retiree, and have watched basketball since the 1960s. I have several STEM (science, engineering, tech, math) degrees and pro certificates. Your reasoning is exactly the same i have heard from grade 5 kids playing basketball. I cant be offended by fools like you.

All that degrees for a lousy comment. Anyone can tell that you're at least 60 years old, i just didnt know you're always around grade 5 kids (yikes)
Plus you seem to have poor anger coping skills thus you resort to name calling and insults. Get a grip kid

[ccharmed]

RHJ's a game-changer on defense. I think all he'll need to help him is a decent rim protector and a good defensive scheme. Even if the guys around him are one-way players, it's fine as long as the scheme is there and they can follow it, because he's great on defense and can cover up for them.

With JB, he plugs a lot of holes. Create his own shot, playmaking, clutch, and defense, whether on the perimeter or in the interior. Although, right now, he's having difficulty against TNT, and I think he had difficulty scoring against Brazil in the OQT.

Either way, I think it's easier to build teams around them as NP's due to their versatility, especially on defense (which is especially the case for RHJ).

RHJ's a game-changer on defense. I think all he'll need to help him is a decent rim protector and a good defensive scheme. Even if the guys around him are one-way players, it's fine as long as the scheme is there and they can follow it, because he's great on defense and can cover up for them.

With JB, he plugs a lot of holes. Create his own shot, playmaking, clutch, and defense, whether on the perimeter or in the interior. Although, right now, he's having difficulty against TNT, and I think he had difficulty scoring against Brazil in the OQT.

Either way, I think it's easier to build teams around them as NP's due to their versatility, especially on defense (which is especially the case for RHJ).

Yes. The improvements for tnt's defense from rhj's efforts has outweighed, so far, the improvements on offense brought in by brownlee. Ginebra should be more desperate now, and will have harder fan support. Let us see what adjustments are made.

[ccharmed]

All that degrees for a lousy comment. Anyone can tell that you're at least 60 years old, i just didnt know you're always around grade 5 kids (yikes)

Idiot newbie. I am around grade 5 kids because i have grandchildren who play basketball. Try to get your intelligence higher than 60. Nobody is hopeless.