Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[JAMSKIE]

Same how Brazil beat Gilas, stop Brownlee and it's over already...

But I think in the Asian level, Gilas can compete without Brownlee. I remember in a window qualifier of 2023 World Cup, Gilas beat Jordan. Jordan had Dar Tucker as its naturalized player while Gilas had Ange Kouame as its naturalized player. I think Kouame's equivalent player in terms of skills & quality is somewhat that of an AJ Edu. Both players not really high scorers but are effective role players.

Also in 2021 Gilas made up of amateur then amateur players (Kai, Dwight Ramos, Tamayo, Baltazar, Navarro, Belangel, RJ Abarrientos) with Ange Kouame as its naturalized player (Kouame an amateur player back then), & Tab Baldwin as its coach beat a South Korea national team with Ricardo Rattlife as its naturalized player. Gilas beat the Koreans not only once but twice.

[IPC]

Based on our Latest Pool

Seems like we will stick with

Kai, AJ, Junmar, Japeth Rotation at the Center Spot.

Well, Brownlee can play small ball 4 too.

As much as some hate Junmar and Japeth in International Competition. They are still the best option bigs from Pba.

Anyways, hope Kai and AJ will be fully healthy next window against Hong Kong and New Zealand.

June Mar and Japeth are on the tail end of their careers. We need a succession plan for them. Get another big or another 4.

[IPC]

He didn't have the personnel.

Back then Rdo and Ping are our 4s.

Sometimes went big with Blatche/Young Junmar/Young Japeth

And it's not like we had a local who can effectively play as small ball 4 or small ball 5 like RHJ or Brownlee

In 2017-18, that was the case. No real small ball threats, and not many tall wings who are as good as Gabe.

In 2022-23, he used Malonzo as a small ball 4. I think Dwight (who also saw time at 4) and JC were the only players measuring at least 6'4" that Chot put at the 3. Heck, Oftana had limited playing time too, and Will Navarro wasn't recalled after the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup.

[JAMSKIE]

This is my same testament why Gilas beat Jordan in Asian games finals.. Gilas is still atleast top 8 in Asia w/o Brownlee but if you pull out RHJ or any import of Jordan, they are lower than Indonesia or KSA… our locals are good compare to Jordan… if RHJ is still available, I would love to have him as our naturalized player.. he can fit on every single player on the court…

I think Gilas' edge over Jordan is bench depth. No doubt, Jordan's starting 5 of Al Dwairi, RHJ, Freddie Ibrahim, Amin Abuhawas, & Hashem Abbas is rock solid. But its 2nd stingers or relievers aren't that good. Only wingman Sam Bzai is reliable enough. Veteran center 6-foot-11 Mohammed Hussein is beyond his prime already.. Gilas on the other hand aside from its solid starting 5 of Kai, Brownlee, Dwight Ramos, Newsome, Iskati, has guys like Junmar Fajardo, AJ Edu, Carl Tamayo, CJ Perez, Jamie Malonzo, Kevin Quiambao as 2nd stingers. Wala kang itulak kabigin sa mga yun. Eh wala pa nga sa team sina Jordan Heading, Rhenz Abando, William Navarro, Justin Baltazar, Schonny Winston. Those guys I think are serviceable for Gilas especially in the Asian level.

I think in a window qualifier where you got to play only 2 games per window, a shallow bench would still be ok. But in a tournament format where teams get to play 5 to 7 games, bench depth is going to matter a lot.

[mathematicianrcg]

I think Gilas' edge over Jordan is bench depth. No doubt, Jordan's starting 5 of Al Dwairi, RHJ, Freddie Ibrahim, Amin Abuhawas, & Hashem Abbas is rock solid. But its 2nd stingers or relievers aren't that good. Only wingman Sam Bzai is reliable enough. Veteran center 6-foot-11 Mohammed Hussein is beyond his prime already.. Gilas on the other hand aside from its solid starting 5 of Kai, Brownlee, Dwight Ramos, Newsome, Iskati, has guys like Junmar Fajardo, AJ Edu, Carl Tamayo, CJ Perez, Jamie Malonzo, Kevin Quiambao as 2nd stingers. Wala kang itulak kabigin sa mga yun. Eh wala pa nga sa team sina Jordan Heading, Rhenz Abando, William Navarro, Justin Baltazar, Schonny Winston. Those guys I think are serviceable for Gilas especially in the Asian level.

I think in a window qualifier where you got to play only 2 games per window, a shallow bench would still be ok. But in a tournament format where teams get to play 5 to 7 games, bench depth is going to matter a lot.

Japan and Philippines are kinda having a lot of depth in terms of Asian Level Natonal Players.

Jordan is kinda in the rise too. And Lebanon even if El Khatib will retire soon, if not retired yet.


Usually, it was China, Korea, and Iran.

Iran is significantly weaker imo.

Iran was one team that we really memorized their full starting 5 of Kamrani, Sahakian, Bahrami, Garduce, and Hadaddi.

Korea, I cannot even name one star player that stick in my Mind in 2010s. But their ball movement and shooting was always a problem for us

China is always strong because the never lack 7 Footers. Every decade, they had like 3 or more 7 footers. Lmao.

[JAMSKIE]

Japan and Philippines are kinda having a lot of depth in terms of Asian Level Natonal Players.

Jordan is kinda in the rise too. And Lebanon even if El Khatib will retire soon, if not retired yet.


Usually, it was China, Korea, and Iran.

Iran is significantly weaker imo.

Iran was one team that we really memorized their full starting 5 of Kamrani, Sahakian, Bahrami, Garduce, and Hadaddi.

Korea, I cannot even name one star player that stick in my Mind in 2010s. But their ball movement and shooting was always a problem for us

China is always strong because the never lack 7 Footers. Every decade, they had like 3 or more 7 footers. Lmao.

Bro, Fadi El Khatib has retired from the Lebanese national team years ago, & he's now 45 yrs old if I'm not mistaken. But I think Lebanon has become deeper now. Lebanese basketball now is unlike the 2000's in which yung starting 5 lang talaga yung malakas while the 2nd stingers were insignificant. Current Lebanese national team has depth with good quality guards, wingmen & "fours". Yung center position lang talaga mahina ang Lebanon eversince.

Iran used to have a solid starting 5 with Haddadi, Bahrami, Sahakian, Kamrani during the golden generation of Iran basketball. But since the retirement of those afirementioned players, biglang humina starting 5 ng Iran. But I think current Iran team has some depth in its roster with skilled & good size wingmen, "fours" & guards. And Iran has some promising young players whom I think would be key players of the national team in a few years time. But I think malaking kawalan sa kanila si Haddadi. Iran doesn't look like having someone in Haddadi's caliber at least for now.

[lem0nadi]

Korea is definitely on the rise, though many might not sense it yet. They have Yeo Jun Seok, who’s now playing for Gonzaga in the US NCAA, and Hyunjung Lee, currently competing in the NBL. While Gilas managed to beat both of them in those bubble games, they’ve built impressive credentials since. Korea even managed to take a game off Japan’s pre-Olympic team, which was in training for the Paris Olympics.

[sroth3839]

Bro, Fadi El Khatib has retired from the Lebanese national team years ago, & he's now 45 yrs old if I'm not mistaken. But I think Lebanon has become deeper now. Lebanese basketball now is unlike the 2000's in which yung starting 5 lang talaga yung malakas while the 2nd stingers were insignificant. Current Lebanese national team has depth with good quality guards, wingmen & "fours". Yung center position lang talaga mahina ang Lebanon eversince.

Iran used to have a solid starting 5 with Haddadi, Bahrami, Sahakian, Kamrani during the golden generation of Iran basketball. But since the retirement of those afirementioned players, biglang humina starting 5 ng Iran. But I think current Iran team has some depth in its roster with skilled & good size wingmen, "fours" & guards. And Iran has some promising young players whom I think would be key players of the national team in a few years time. But I think malaking kawalan sa kanila si Haddadi. Iran doesn't look like having someone in Haddadi's caliber at least for now.

As far as I can see, Japan, PH, Jordan, Lebanon, China, Korea, and Iran will all remain competitive for the next decade just as they always had since the 00s. The basketball tradition, talent, and infrastructure are already strong.

Australia and NZ will always be up there competing. They are like the Team USA and Canada of FIBA Asia. The former being the indestructible juggernaut and the latter being the so-so juggernaut depending on their roster composition.

For as much as they’ve shown improvements over the decade, the likes of KSA, Kazakhstan, Syria, India, Qatar, and Bahrain aren’t quite there yet. It remains to be seen how they remain consistent in this decade.

[PeeZones]

NZ should scour for all available talents against Golden Generation Gilas. NZ fanboys here should tell all of NZ bball to bring the best of NZ. They seem to have their supposed excuses prior to the game. In any case, Golden Gen Gilas will be really formidable against NZ even with Adams.

Im just setting the mood.lol I bet a lot of Gilas fans are looking forward to this day when our Golden boys are ready for the big stage.

[ccharmed]

With gilas coming in as big, if not bigger than nz, our nt's chances are quite good, as nz players are not exceptionally skilled over the pinoys. Only china and australia can come in bigger. But only aus is both bigger and more skilled as benchmarked against nba players. Japan is getting big too and has nba-experienced players. However, their nba players are of pba class quality only. I dont see much promise in west asian teams like iran, jordan and lebanon, unless they are playing in their home court. Half of gilas players are used to playing in foreign leagues, so they can considerably reduce the advantages of opponents playing in their home turf.

[ccharmed]

With gilas coming in as big, if not bigger than nz, our nt's chances are quite good, as nz players are not exceptionally skilled over the pinoys. Only china and australia can come in bigger. But only aus is both bigger and more skilled as benchmarked against nba players. Japan is getting big too and has nba-experienced players. However, their nba players are of pba class quality only. I dont see much promise in west asian teams like iran, jordan and lebanon, unless they are playing in their home court. Half of gilas players are used to playing in foreign leagues, so they can considerably reduce the advantages of opponents playing in their home turf. Sokor has relatively big and reliable nts. But they seem listless or distracted lately, like china, and cant seem to form a "killer seven".

Still, the lack of at least two dedicated high-quality 3point snipers is a glaring weakness of cone's team. I just dont see small ginebrans and sanmigs like 5'10 abarrientos doing much damage against aus, sokor, jap or nz teams. These too-small pinoy guards will also evaporate against bigger and quicker guards from europe and the americas.

[JAMSKIE]

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating" as they say. We have yet to beat New Zealand. I don't know how many times Gilas had played NZ since Australia & NZ were integrated to FIBA Asia. All I know is that we lost all our games versus the Tall Blacks. May mga games pa nga na tinambakan tayo ng New Zealand. Even a well prepared PBA-select Gilas team with Dray Blatche couldn't beat New Zealand in the 2016 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. That was a NZ team without Steven Adams.

That is why ganoon na lamang ka excited tayong mga fans in the upcoming Gilas-New Zealand encounter on Nov. 21. We are so eager to beat New Zealand.

I say, talunin mo na natin ang New Zealand before we can pound our chest & get somewhat cocky.

[Bonifacio]

What happened to Amos? I dont see him playing that much with the La Salle team. I have doubts on whether he is the right person to be in Gilas. Amos, to me, is like Isaac Go. Maybe Isaac Go is better.

[Silent Killer]

What happened to Amos? I dont see him playing that much with the La Salle team. I have doubts on whether he is the right person to be in Gilas. Amos, to me, is like Isaac Go. Maybe Isaac Go is better.

Team B. residency year..

[JAMSKIE]

What happened to Amos? I dont see him playing that much with the La Salle team. I have doubts on whether he is the right person to be in Gilas. Amos, to me, is like Isaac Go. Maybe Isaac Go is better.

His slow laterals in defense concerns me. Good that I heard he has somewhat trimmed himself recently. He was bloated when he played for Ateneo.

He was very impressive playing for Batang Gilas U-18 in 2022.