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  • #12181
    IPC
    Well, we have more choices now as far as good size small forwards are concerned. Gone are the days when we had 6-foot-2 & 6-foot-3 small forwards in the national like Allan Caidic, Vergel Meneses, Kenneth Duremdes, Dondon Hontiveros, Marcio Lassiter, Chris Lutz.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    • #12182
      As brilliant a college player JD Cagulangan is, I don't think he has a high ceiling as a potential national team point guard mainly becoz of his height. At 5-foot-9, he is simply an undersized point guard at the FIBA level. Plus he isn't that quick nor athletic. He is not a pass-first point guard as well. He's no Johnny Abarrientos nor a Jayson Castro in terms of speed & athleticism.
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • #12183
        Schonny Winston and Stockton are better alternatives than Cagulangan, baka for PBA level only..

        Off topic? but I was watching the 2011FIBA asia bronze game Gilas vs SK...We've come a long way, we had Barocca,Casio, Tiu and Alapag with Lassiter and Lutz as our 3 guys...defensively we had no chance(backcourt)!
        politics did it as well, we could've had Dillinger &Norwood. But it was a necessary phase (growing pains) for us

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        • #12184
          Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post
          Schonny Winston and Stockton are better alternatives than Cagulangan, baka for PBA level only..

          Off topic? but I was watching the 2011FIBA asia bronze game Gilas vs SK...We've come a long way, we had Barocca,Casio, Tiu and Alapag with Lassiter and Lutz as our 3 guys...defensively we had no chance(backcourt)!
          politics did it as well, we could've had Dillinger &Norwood. But it was a necessary phase (growing pains) for us
          We'll never know bro unless they are tested playing for Gilas in Asian level basketball.

          We actually have a No. of national team players whom prior to their stints with the national team, a lot of people doubted of their usefulness. I remember not too many fans were convinced that Calvin Abueva would be serviceable for Gilas in 2015 becoz he is an undersized small forward whose outside shooting is suspect. Abueva proved us wrong. Some people doubted Paul Lee for Gilas in 2014 becoz he's slow & unathletic. Likewise people also doubted Mark Pingris' usefulness to Gilas becoz he was an undersized big man without any outside or even mid-range game.

          Yet both Paul Lee & Pingris proved us wrong.
          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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          • #12185
            ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

            Of course there are also a No. of national team players who didn't live up to most people's expectations - Garry David, Danny Ildefonso, Arwind Santos.

            Calvin Oftana isn't living up to most people's expectation, so far. But I'm hoping Oftana will startt to find his groove in his next stint with Gilas.
            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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            • #12186
              Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
              We'll never know bro unless they are tested playing for Gilas in Asian level basketball.

              We actually have a No. of national team players whom prior to their stints with the national team, a lot of people doubted of their usefulness. I remember not too many fans were convinced that Calvin Abueva would be serviceable for Gilas in 2015 becoz he is an undersized small forward whose outside shooting is suspect. Abueva proved us wrong. Some people doubted Paul Lee for Gilas in 2014 becoz he's slow & unathletic. Likewise people also doubted Mark Pingris' usefulness to Gilas becoz he was an undersized big man without any outside or even mid-range game.

              Yet both Paul Lee & Pingris proved us wrong.
              I think Schonny and Stockton can translate, at least on the defensive end. They're quick enough to stay in front of guards, and they show good effort, Stockton moreso. It's the shooting that we need to see first.

              Although, of the two, I think only Schonny is known to be eligible.

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              • #12187
                Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

                Of course there are also a No. of national team players who didn't live up to most people's expectations - Garry David, Danny Ildefonso, Arwind Santos.

                Calvin Oftana isn't living up to most people's expectation, so far. But I'm hoping Oftana will startt to find his groove in his next stint with Gilas.
                Oftana needs consistent decent outings, maybe at least shoot 35% across the next two windows. He's a good team defender, but his shooting hasn't been the most consistent lately. In addition, his man defense took a massive step back in the past PBA season. Got blown by more easily. I dunno if he recovered, though. I hope his man defense improves, because we will need that from his position.

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                • #12188
                  Originally posted by IPC View Post

                  I think Schonny and Stockton can translate, at least on the defensive end. They're quick enough to stay in front of guards, and they show good effort, Stockton moreso. It's the shooting that we need to see first.

                  Although, of the two, I think only Schonny is known to be eligible.
                  Defense & ability to orchestrate are for me Stockton & Winton's most significant characteristics that might make them Gilas prospects. I think compared to CJ Perez & Chris Newsome, Winston & Stockton have better playmaking skills.

                  Agree with U. We still have to see if Stockton & Winston can carryover the shooting or scoring that they are demonstrating in the PBA to the FIBA game or the international game. That's what we want to find out.
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • #12189
                    Originally posted by IPC View Post

                    I think Schonny and Stockton can translate, at least on the defensive end. They're quick enough to stay in front of guards, and they show good effort, Stockton moreso. It's the shooting that we need to see first.

                    Although, of the two, I think only Schonny is known to be eligible.
                    For some reason I always thought Stockton was a homegrown. Maybe because his athleticism and skills were not at the level we usually expect from Filfors. I don't really know how much he improved here but he must've developed his handles in the US because I always heard he was a tall PG. Too bad if he is not eligible.

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                    • #12190
                      Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                      IPC
                      Well, we have more choices now as far as good size small forwards are concerned. Gone are the days when we had 6-foot-2 & 6-foot-3 small forwards in the national like Allan Caidic, Vergel Meneses, Kenneth Duremdes, Dondon Hontiveros, Marcio Lassiter, Chris Lutz.
                      Hey, Id still welcome an Allan Caidic, but maybe as a shooting guard

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                      • #12191
                        Originally posted by paulrenzo View Post

                        Hey, Id still welcome an Allan Caidic, but maybe as a shooting guard
                        Of course! Who doesn't like an Allan Caidic? He's the best shooter to have ever played for the Philippine national team. But of course Caidic's natural position is the shooting guard spot. I think he played the 3 spot most of the time during the 80's with the NCC-RP team becoz it was Samboy Lim who played shooting guard. Then in the 1990 Asian Games, Caidic once again played mostly the 3 spot becoz it was Samboy who played the 2 spot. In the 1994 Asian Games, Caidic once again played mostly as small forward becoz it was Ato Agustin who played the 2-guard spot.

                        But in this modern times, I think a 6-foot-2 small forward like Caidic once was would be too small in which opposing teams would only exploit.
                        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                        • #12192
                          Originally posted by Metta View Post
                          I would add Lazaro to that list. He's always been good on defense and rebounding but now his offense especially his mid-range jumper has really improved.
                          Lazaro has played a lot of 4 for Ateneo, though. That's his primary position there.

                          I have seen the midrange jumper, last year or the year before. Good touch from there. Hope Ateneo gets the players to enable him to play more 3.

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                          • #12193
                            If PBA ineligibles are included for the next SEA and Asian games might as well use Christian David, Lucero, Balunggay, Winston and Stockton to get tested

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                            • #12194
                              Originally posted by IPC View Post

                              I think Schonny and Stockton can translate, at least on the defensive end. They're quick enough to stay in front of guards, and they show good effort, Stockton moreso. It's the shooting that we need to see first.

                              Although, of the two, I think only Schonny is known to be eligible.
                              I asked about stockton's fiba eligibility here weeks or months ago but no one answered. This answers my question awhile back..

                              Now will sbp, tim apply for stockton to become fiba local knowing the amount of better players ahead of him?
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                              • #12195
                                Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post
                                I asked about stockton's fiba eligibility here weeks or months ago but no one answered. This answers my question awhile back..

                                Now will sbp, tim apply for stockton to become fiba local knowing the amount of better players ahead of him?
                                I worded it that way because I don't know if Stockton's eligible. All there is to it.

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