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  • I think there should be an exemption for transferring players who did not even get to be rostered/play. Guys like Alao, Demisana (correct me if I'm wrong). The players looking for a better fit are being punished while there's really no punishment on a team (they lose a player they don't seem to want) that hoards. The penalty should be more on the team/school rather than the player.

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    • Originally posted by JOI2dWorld View Post

      for players like Stockton and Winston who do not have yet the international competition experience i think SEA games is enough to gauge them than rushing them into a tougher level of competition


      Well, it depends on what player eligibility rule will be applied in the 2025 & 2027 editions of SEA Games basketball. If it would be the same rule as in last year's SEA Games in Cambodia, then most likely the level of competition would be good. But if its the FIBA rule of player eligibility is applied, then I expect a low level competition. PBA level of game would still be better. If FIBA rule is applied I expect only Thailand & Indonesia who could come up with respectable rosters, the rest of the teams would be very weak.

      Eh kahit nga yung Thailand having Lamb, Licsh & Morgan in its roster wasn't that competitive in last year's Asian Games eh. Thailand got massacred by Jordan by 34 pts in last year's Asian Games. Thailand can't even beat Bahrain in the tournament. I think Indonesia is better if it plays with a complete roster with Jawato, DMX, & its naturalized player. Question is, will those players be available during the SEA Games.
      Last edited by JAMSKIE; 09-11-2024, 04:45 AM.
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • Guys, if for instance Zav Lucero is FIBA eligible & you have to choose only one between him & Jamie Malonzo for Gilas, who would it be?
        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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        • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
          Guys, if for instance Zav Lucero is FIBA eligible & you have to choose only one between him & Jamie Malonzo for Gilas, who would it be?
          Tough question, i think if Zav transitions more as a 3 and D player then ill choose him. His size is abit awkward for a pure big man on FIBA level.

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          • Originally posted by Joe Yabuki View Post

            Tough question, i think if Zav transitions more as a 3 and D player then ill choose him. His size is abit awkward for a pure big man on FIBA level.
            For me, Lucero is slightly more skilled & has better control of the ball compared to Malonzo. But I think Malonzo is more athletic & quicker than Lucero. Also, I feel Malonzo can play the 3 spot better than Lucero. In a deliberate half court game, Lucero is the better player, but in an up tempo ball game, Malonzo is the better player.

            I'll pick Malonzo over Lucero for Gilas.
            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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            • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
              Guys, if for instance Zav Lucero is FIBA eligible & you have to choose only one between him & Jamie Malonzo for Gilas, who would it be?
              I'll go for a high motor athletic player like Flores or Lopez to replace Malonzo. Btw is Navarro out for contention as a possible replacement?
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              • Originally posted by bluenote49 View Post

                I'll go for a high motor athletic player like Flores or Lopez to replace Malonzo. Btw is Navarro out for contention as a possible replacement?
                Can Flores play the 3 spot?
                Do U think Francis Lopez' perimeter defense is good enough for him to play the 3 spot? At this point, I think in terms of 3-pt shooting, Malonzo is better than Lopez, although Lopez being around 6 years younger than Malonzo can mean Lopez' 3-pt shooting may improve to match or even overtake that of the Malonzo.

                As to your question whether Navarro may be tapped by coach Tim ro replace the injured Malonzo in the upcoming 2025 Asia Cup window qualifiers in November, how I wish it will happen. But knowing coach Tim Cone, the chance is slim.
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • I feel SBP must seriously examine its strategy for long term or continuity of a national team program that would go beyond 2027 or 2028. Continuity or sustainability is a must.

                  As we all know, coach Tim Cone is opting for a small national pool so as to easily establish & maintain cohesion & chemistry among the players. If this is the case then we would need a cadet or a developmental team/pool so as to prepare the younger players (players in their early to mid-20's) for future Gilas senior team stints. Because if coach Tim sticks to his philosophy of maintaining just a small pool of national players (14 to 15 players only) & we don't have a cadet/developmental team, then how do we prepare our younger national team prospects that would replace ageing players of our current Gilas team? If we look at our current Gilas team, we have a good No. of old or ageing players who inevitably would be retired from national team service in 2 years time.

                  Guys like Junmar, Newsome, Justin Brownlee are expected to retire from national team service 2 years from now. Then guys like CJ Perez & Iskati Thompson likewise aren't getting any younger that I don't expect them to be around for the national team beyond 2027 or 2028.

                  With these things in mind, how do we prepare the likes of Francis Lopez, Rhenz Abando, Alex Konov, Caelum Harris, Mark Belmonte, Jonel Policarpio, Will Navarro, Schonny Winston, Alec Stockton, Jacob Bayla, SJ Belangel, etc. for their future national team stints if they aren't part of the current Gilas pool/team of coach Tim & neither is there a cadet/developmental team for them to get exposure in international or FIBA basketball?
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                    I feel SBP must seriously examine its strategy for long term or continuity of a national team program that would go beyond 2027 or 2028. Continuity or sustainability is a must.

                    As we all know, coach Tim Cone is opting for a small national pool so as to easily establish & maintain cohesion & chemistry among the players. If this is the case then we would need a cadet or a developmental team/pool so as to prepare the younger players (players in their early to mid-20's) for future Gilas senior team stints. Because if coach Tim sticks to his philosophy of maintaining just a small pool of national players (14 to 15 players only) & we don't have a cadet/developmental team, then how do we prepare our younger national team prospects that would replace ageing players of our current Gilas team? If we look at our current Gilas team, we have a good No. of old or ageing players who inevitably would be retired from national team service in 2 years time.

                    Guys like Junmar, Newsome, Justin Brownlee are expected to retire from national team service 2 years from now. Then guys like CJ Perez & Iskati Thompson likewise aren't getting any younger that I don't expect them to be around for the national team beyond 2027 or 2028.

                    With these things in mind, how do we prepare the likes of Francis Lopez, Rhenz Abando, Alex Konov, Caelum Harris, Mark Belmonte, Jonel Policarpio, Will Navarro, Schonny Winston, Alec Stockton, Jacob Bayla, SJ Belangel, etc. for their future national team stints if they aren't part of the current Gilas pool/team of coach Tim & neither is there a cadet/developmental team for them to get exposure in international or FIBA basketball?
                    To add to this, the Triangle system that the team uses takes a while to truly master. In the event that new players have to be inserted, it will save a lot of time if they already have started learning it beforehand.

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                    • Has anyone watching the FIBA Intercontinental tournament. Al Riyaldi just won vs Africa champions Petro de Luanda. I hope we can compete in thus tournament.

                      Just don't understand the rule on eligibility, correct me if I am wrong Unija has 10 players who are not Spain citizens. That's just a big advantage to be allowed to have too many imports compare to others who have 3.

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                      • Originally posted by zairex View Post
                        Has anyone watching the FIBA Intercontinental tournament. Al Riyaldi just won vs Africa champions Petro de Luanda. I hope we can compete in thus tournament.

                        Just don't understand the rule on eligibility, correct me if I am wrong Unija has 10 players who are not Spain citizens. That's just a big advantage to be allowed to have too many imports compare to others who have 3.

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                        Depends how much the PBA cares.

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                        • Originally posted by zairex View Post
                          Has anyone watching the FIBA Intercontinental tournament. Al Riyaldi just won vs Africa champions Petro de Luanda. I hope we can compete in thus tournament.

                          Just don't understand the rule on eligibility, correct me if I am wrong Unija has 10 players who are not Spain citizens. That's just a big advantage to be allowed to have too many imports compare to others who have 3.

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                          Its probably the club competition of FIBA ie basketball teams will compete on it. Schedule is abit awkward for most asian teams since it coincides with the season pba B-League korea league

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                          • I feel Alec Stockton & Schonny Winston are the potential replacements of Iskati Thompson & CJ Perez as Gilas guards in 3 or 4 years time. Iskati & Perez would be in their mid-30's by then.

                            But Stockton & Winston have to be tested & be exposed to the FIBA game & other international competitions ASAP. They have to be tested if they posses the right stuff as national team players & of course they need to get used to the FIBA game atmosphere which is different from the PBA game.
                            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                            • I'm calling it now, a guy like Belmonte is a better Gilas prospect than Lebron Lopez. Lopez is just pure running and jumping ability. And him having the best combination of bigger, faster, stronger in the UAAP, he's getting by just running and jumping into traffic. He's not developing skills or bbiq. The moment he goes up against guys as big and athletic as him, he will be like how a lot of slam dunk champs in the nba are so limited.

                              Belmonte on the other hand is sublimely developing. He makes things look easy which is a sign of efficiency. He has great upside.

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                              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post


                                Well, it depends on what player eligibility rule will be applied in the 2025 & 2027 editions of SEA Games basketball. If it would be the same rule as in last year's SEA Games in Cambodia, then most likely the level of competition would be good. But if its the FIBA rule of player eligibility is applied, then I expect a low level competition. PBA level of game would still be better. If FIBA rule is applied I expect only Thailand & Indonesia who could come up with respectable rosters, the rest of the teams would be very weak.

                                Eh kahit nga yung Thailand having Lamb, Licsh & Morgan in its roster wasn't that competitive in last year's Asian Games eh. Thailand got massacred by Jordan by 34 pts in last year's Asian Games. Thailand can't even beat Bahrain in the tournament. I think Indonesia is better if it plays with a complete roster with Jawato, DMX, & its naturalized player. Question is, will those players be available during the SEA Games.
                                Thailand is only 1 legit big man away to be competitive in Asian region.. Jakrawan is too small and too soft.. while Indonesia is one great guard away to be competitive in Asian region.. they have solid frontline with Bolden and DMX, but their guards are too weak... And both have weak bench production..

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