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  • #12061
    Originally posted by lem0nadi View Post

    How come the downfall of Iran still can't be seen from rankings right now. They are not doing great for these past years.
    Because they’re still doing okay.

    They qualified for the Olympics in 2021, finished 5th in Asia Cup 2022, and qualified for WC in 2023.

    For them to seriously drop rankings, they need to finish outside the top 8 in Asia Cup 2025 and not qualify for the 2027 WC.

    We were 33rd before Asia Cup 2022 and then 41st after finishing out of the top 8. (Thanks Chot!)

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    • #12062
      I see. Thanks.

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      • #12063
        Originally posted by lem0nadi View Post
        I see. Thanks.
        That’s why it’s crucial we finish high on the 2025 Asia Cup.

        It will determine our pot group for the 2027 WCQ.

        If we avoid Australia and/or NZ by being in the same pot, then that’s a huge boost.
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        • #12064
          Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post

          Because they’re still doing okay.

          They qualified for the Olympics in 2021, finished 5th in Asia Cup 2022, and qualified for WC in 2023.

          For them to seriously drop rankings, they need to finish outside the top 8 in Asia Cup 2025 and not qualify for the 2027 WC.

          We were 33rd before Asia Cup 2022 and then 41st after finishing out of the top 8. (Thanks Chot!)
          Correct.
          Iran turning out to out the best Asian team in the 2019 FIBA World Cup earned the Iranians a spot in the 2021 Olympics.

          Although Iran is on a decline post-2019 World Cup, it hasn't done that badly in the last 4 years as it finished 5th in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup & qualified in the 2023 World Cup. Though Iran isn't the same team anymore as its golden generation team with the retirement from the national team of legendary wingman Samad Nikkah Bahrami & Hamed Haddadi obviously in the twilight of his career (Haddadi eventuually retired from national team service last year), Iran remains to be a competitive team which can beat any contender team in Asian basketball. We've seen that in last year's 2023 Asian Games where muntikan na nila tinalo ang Gilas in the quarterfinals. This despite Iran missing several key players.

          I think current Iran team is no longer a strong contender for the top 4 in the Asia-Oceania basketball, but I think it still remains as a dangerous team to any contender team in Asian basketball.
          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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          • #12065
            Originally posted by lem0nadi View Post

            How come the downfall of Iran still can't be seen from rankings right now. They are not doing great for these past years.
            This is 8 year FIBA ranking cycle... Since 2017, Iran did great

            2nd place in 2017 FIBA Asia cup

            23rd in 2019 FIBA World cup, highest among Asian teams

            Qualified for 2021 Olympics

            Only Asian team that has good record vs Australia since 2017 (2-3 vs Aussies)...

            5th place in 2022 FIBA Asia cup

            That's the reason they are still high, the biggest impact is their qualification to Olympics that will take effect until 2029 under 8 year FIBA ranking cycle...

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            • #12066
              Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post

              Because they’re still doing okay.

              They qualified for the Olympics in 2021, finished 5th in Asia Cup 2022, and qualified for WC in 2023.

              For them to seriously drop rankings, they need to finish outside the top 8 in Asia Cup 2025 and not qualify for the 2027 WC.

              We were 33rd before Asia Cup 2022 and then 41st after finishing out of the top 8. (Thanks Chot!)
              Under 8 year FIBA ranking cycle, Iran will remain top of rankings because of their 2021 Olympic participation... That's huge points... Just look at Japan and South Sudan, both tremendously leap forward in FIBA rankings due to their Olympic participation plus good performance there... We can't surpass Iran until we qualify for 2028 Olympics or that 8 year rule for Iran will lapse, maybe in 2029....

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              • #12067
                Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                Correct.
                Iran turning out to out the best Asian team in the 2019 FIBA World Cup earned the Iranians a spot in the 2021 Olympics.

                Although Iran is on a decline post-2019 World Cup, it hasn't done that badly in the last 4 years as it finished 5th in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup & qualified in the 2023 World Cup. Though Iran isn't the same team anymore as its golden generation team with the retirement from the national team of legendary wingman Samad Nikkah Bahrami & Hamed Haddadi obviously in the twilight of his career (Haddadi eventuually retired from national team service last year), Iran remains to be a competitive team which can beat any contender team in Asian basketball. We've seen that in last year's 2023 Asian Games where muntikan na nila tinalo ang Gilas in the quarterfinals. This despite Iran missing several key players.

                I think current Iran team is no longer a strong contender for the top 4 in the Asia-Oceania basketball, but I think it still remains as a dangerous team to any contender team in Asian basketball.
                Iran is still better than Korea TBH... The Waterloo of Korea basketball... I don't know why Korea still have Iran curse even Iran became weaker... Sabagay, Koreans also become weaker these days...

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                • #12068
                  Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

                  Iran is still better than Korea TBH... The Waterloo of Korea basketball... I don't know why Korea still have Iran curse even Iran became weaker... Sabagay, Koreans also become weaker these days...
                  Both teams are on transition actually with Korea making a revamp of its roster (I think it has about 6 new players in its current roster) & Iran no longer have its vaunted 1-2 punch in Hamed Haddadi & Samad Bahrami & now has some young but very promising players in its current roster.

                  Players to watch out for Iran are 6-foot-7 wingman Mohammed Amini & 6-foot-9 power forward Parsa Fallah. The 20-year old Amini has the makings of a Samad Nikkah Bahrami while the 21-year old Fallah is registering impressive stats in his sophomore year in an NCAA Div. 1 school in the US. I expect these guys to spearhead the future of Iran basketball.
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • #12069
                    Where can I buy Gilas Jerseys?

                    Will visit PH this November after a decade of being abroad.

                    Any online shops? Most of what I see in eBay is of poor quality.

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                    • #12070
                      They usually sell jerseys in the arena during Gilas gamedays.
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                      • #12071
                        Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post
                        Where can I buy Gilas Jerseys?

                        Will visit PH this November after a decade of being abroad.

                        Any online shops? Most of what I see in eBay is of poor quality.
                        The Nike Store Fort and Titan both located in BGC

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                        • #12072
                          Originally posted by hmbopbaduwap View Post

                          The Nike Store Fort and Titan both located in BGC

                          Or even somewhere in Divisoria an almost exact copy

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                          • #12073
                            Originally posted by IPC View Post
                            Watching Will Navarro for NorthPort. He's usually on RHJ (when Munzon's not there) or on the best wing like Oftana. However, his men don't usually attack him 1-on-1.

                            In rotations, though, he seems to lose his man or he's too deep in help. I dunno if it's because of the team defense breaking down too easily or if he's lost his timing.
                            If Navarro's aiming to get recalled, he has to play better D, and get some shooting. We need good defenders at the 3, especially if Oftana and Malonzo don't improve much on that end in FIBA.

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                            • #12074
                              Originally posted by JOI2dWorld View Post
                              Oftana with 2 four-point shots, i hope he will be consistent and will have the confidence to hit open threes in the November window especially against New Zealand
                              Despite Oftana's struggle in the recent OQT games & the tune-up games that Gilas played prior to the OQT, I still believe that in the Asia-Oceania basketball level, Oftana would be serviceable. I'm confident his shots will fall in the next 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifying windows & the FIBA Asia Cup tournament proper. He just needs to boost his confidence & some reps in the FIBA game.
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • #12075
                                Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                                Despite Oftana's struggle in the recent OQT games & the tune-up games that Gilas played prior to the OQT, I still believe that in the Asia-Oceania basketball level, Oftana would be serviceable. I'm confident his shots will fall in the next 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifying windows & the FIBA Asia Cup tournament proper. He just needs to boost his confidence & some reps in the FIBA game.
                                Maybe prove himself on defense as well while he's at it. Need him and/or Malonzo to be a better man-to-man defender for us.

                                We need at least one good defender at the wing or bigman positions on the floor once JB retires.

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