Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[ARMIR]

In other countries, you may win as many medals as you can but if you are not able to win a medal in team sports (basketball, football, handball, volleyball and rugby), the country will still question you. in china and ofcourse US, basketball is a blue ribbon sport in their olympic quest despite the sport only accounts for 4 medals (2 5x5, 2 3x3).

Considering basketball is not the most popular sport in America yet they're always considered the best in the sport.

[IPC]

Japan is what Philippines should be.. they have good program something you never ever will appreciate and most people here are appreciating it..
They started with llamas to know, that’s progress.

1 win by gilas doesn’t mean we have good basketball program..

just look at our youth.. that says it all. do we have grassroots? let’s talk about that. i never see you contributed to that topic. let’s talk about that.. let’s talk about college scenes, high school leagues and etc.. let’s talk about that..

not doubting tim and the gilas..

root towards opponents? we have lots of receipts robert. don’t lie..

Japan have great players. They identify talent well, they send their good talents to NCAA D1 or even US HS. They then promote their talents to the seniors, and have a good head coach.

What will it take for us to do the same? Apart from funding, of course. Coach Tim is competent, we just need to improve our talent identification and send them to D1 or European youth academies.

[JAMSKIE]

For me, SBP should be more assertive in getting a FIBA excemption for Mike Philipps. The 6-foot-7/6-foot-8 Philipps may not be a go-to-guy player for a national team but I think this is the kind of player we need in the national team - a blue collar workhorse who will not mind taking a backseat in scoring & would just be content doing the "utility" work like rebounding, defense & hustle. I think Mike Philipps is of the same mold as Mark Pingris, Kelly Williams & Calvin Abueva.

[TheRodster21]

Japan have great players. They identify talent well, they send their good talents to NCAA D1 or even US HS. They then promote their talents to the seniors, and have a good head coach.

What will it take for us to do the same? Apart from funding, of course. Coach Tim is competent, we just need to improve our talent identification and send them to D1 or European youth academies.

Players would get more recruitment if they were being developed for that level first though. Something that coaches in Japan seem to do is giving players with international potential more freedom to develop a more international game. This gives rise to guys like Hachimura, watanabe or more recently Yuto Kawashima who are bigger but have wing skillsets. But a difference is those guys had the athleticism and size to play different positions other than Center. Need to identify guys with the size, athleticism and build to play different positions first

[IPC]

For me, SBP should be more assertive in getting a FIBA excemption for Mike Philipps. The 6-foot-7/6-foot-8 Philipps may not be a go-to-guy player for a national team but I think this is the kind of player we need in the national team - a blue collar workhorse who will not mind taking a backseat in scoring & would just be content doing the "utility" work like rebounding, defense & hustle. I think Mike Philipps is of the same mold as Mark Pingris, Kelly Williams & Calvin Abueva.

That's exactly the sort of player we need at the 4/5 spots. A guy who can defend and hustle. We're short on that kind of player at the 4/5 position.

[greenarcher]

Until the SBP finds a way to get control over the UAAP and NCAA and until the PBA removes the import height limit and adjusts to the FIBA calendar like everyone else, people should stop comparing our program to Japan's. They are doing everything necessary to win. We are doing the bare minimum.

[ja.he]

Japan have great players. They identify talent well, they send their good talents to NCAA D1 or even US HS. They then promote their talents to the seniors, and have a good head coach.

What will it take for us to do the same? Apart from funding, of course. Coach Tim is competent, we just need to improve our talent identification and send them to D1 or European youth academies.

Talent identification of all the three - homegrown, fil-fors and FSAs.

Homegrown should be the ones to be sent overseas.

Fil-Fors should have the option to be recruited here or just play overseas.

FSAs should be identified as early as possible and be trained in our high school and/or college programs.

[ccharmed]

Until the SBP finds a way to get control over the UAAP and NCAA and until the PBA removes the import height limit and adjusts to the FIBA calendar like everyone else, people should stop comparing our program to Japan's. They are doing everything necessary to win. We are doing the bare minimum.

Basketball with height limits??? Only the pba, dumbest nationalists, and natural born losers will do that. Basketball and volleyball, among others, have always been sports for tall and big people. Basketball is definitely alien to weight-controlled sports like boxing, or height-disastrous sports like gymnastics. I feel we have the stupidest basketball associations in the world.

Already, im hearing that the up mbt is "too tall" for the uaap, and doesnt "deserve" that height advantage for some dumbf*ck reasons like having too many generous sponsors. Really strange because the up mbt preparation and the foreign training, including the serbian, sk and us kind, were financed by a coo who is an ateneo graduate, and a family-focused billionaire woman. We are not even talking about the much more shadowy past financing sponsors of champion admu and dlsu teams, which posters here already made plain to see.

For a people used to thoroughly corrupt financing of politicians and big corporate ventures, one would think that full-on absorption of whatever legal and technical means to create world class sports outcomes would be the way of thinking. Instead, we got the dumbest barangay-level captains to run our sports associations.

So, why shouldnt the pba, uaap or mpbl teams not work to form teams with say, 6'7 average height??? That is about the natural size for world-class baller teams. Is there anything wrong with the up mbt having 5'7 felicilda and 6'10 qmb?

Having 5 footer basketballers is almost as suicidal as having 100 pound shrimps as your defensive ends in american football. Those who know american football and basketball know what i mean.

[greenarcher]

A league with a height limit wants to be a trailblazer by having a 4pt shot. Irony of epic proportions.

[paliganibossalfrancis]

A league with a height limit wants to be a trailblazer by having a 4pt shot. Irony of epic proportions.

minions shooting long range shots, comical

[paliganibossalfrancis]

Basketball with height limits??? Only the pba, dumbest nationalists, and natural born losers will do that. Basketball and volleyball, among others, have always been sports for tall and big people. Basketball is definitely alien to weight-controlled sports like boxing, or height-disastrous sports like gymnastics. I feel we have the stupidest basketball associations in the world.

Already, im hearing that the up mbt is "too tall" for the uaap, and doesnt "deserve" that height advantage for some dumbf*ck reasons like having too many generous sponsors. Really strange because the up mbt preparation and the foreign training, including the serbian, sk and us kind, were financed by a coo who is an ateneo graduate, and a family-focused billionaire woman. We are not even talking about the much more shadowy past financing sponsors of champion admu and dlsu teams, which posters here already made plain to see.

For a people used to thoroughly corrupt financing of politicians and big corporate ventures, one would think that full-on absorption of whatever legal and technical means to create world class sports outcomes would be the way of thinking. Instead, we got the dumbest barangay-level captains to run our sports associations.

So, why shouldnt the pba, uaap or mpbl teams not work to form teams with say, 6'7 average height??? That is about the natural size for world-class baller teams. Is there anything wrong with the up mbt having 5'7 felicilda and 6'10 qmb?

Having 5 footer basketballers is almost as suicidal as having 100 pound shrimps as your defensive ends in american football. Those who know american football and basketball know what i mean.

they have a 7'3 center next season. curious what teams with 6'5 centers will throw at him.

[greenarcher]

Basketball with height limits??? Only the pba, dumbest nationalists, and natural born losers will do that. Basketball and volleyball, among others, have always been sports for tall and big people. Basketball is definitely alien to weight-controlled sports like boxing, or height-disastrous sports like gymnastics. I feel we have the stupidest basketball associations in the world.

Already, im hearing that the up mbt is "too tall" for the uaap, and doesnt "deserve" that height advantage for some dumbf*ck reasons like having too many generous sponsors. Really strange because the up mbt preparation and the foreign training, including the serbian, sk and us kind, were financed by a coo who is an ateneo graduate, and a family-focused billionaire woman. We are not even talking about the much more shadowy past financing sponsors of champion admu and dlsu teams, which posters here already made plain to see.

For a people used to thoroughly corrupt financing of politicians and big corporate ventures, one would think that full-on absorption of whatever legal and technical means to create world class sports outcomes would be the way of thinking. Instead, we got the dumbest barangay-level captains to run our sports associations.

So, why shouldnt the pba, uaap or mpbl teams not work to form teams with say, 6'7 average height??? That is about the natural size for world-class baller teams. Is there anything wrong with the up mbt having 5'7 felicilda and 6'10 qmb?

Having 5 footer basketballers is almost as suicidal as having 100 pound shrimps as your defensive ends in american football. Those who know american football and basketball know what i mean.

And still we have people who support the SBP and frown up people who admire Japan's recent success. Even after what happened last night.

They are no dumber than the people who run the PBA and SBP. Anybody with eyes can see our dysfunctional fuck fest of a "program".

[JAMSKIE]

That's exactly the sort of player we need at the 4/5 spots. A guy who can defend and hustle. We're short on that kind of player at the 4/5 position.

I feel Mike Philipps can play as center in Asian level basketball, especially against teams that doesn't really have 6-foot-10 & above centers. I think against teams like Kazakhstan, South Korea (Cardo Rattliffe is I think only around 6-foot-8 or 6-foot-9 at best), and a number of Middle East teams like Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, & perhaps even Japan, Philipps can match up with those teams' centers.

Also, I think Philipps has the mobility & the athleticism to play as a 4, plus he seems to be developing his medium range jumpers & even his 3-pt shot. The good thing about Philipps is that he's still young, I think he's only 22 or 23, so he's still very much at the developmental stage. Meaning he can improve his mid-range & 3-pt shooting as he matures.

[Dotch]

I feel Mike Philipps can play as center in Asian level basketball, especially against teams that doesn't really have 6-foot-10 & above centers. I think against teams like Kazakhstan, South Korea (Cardo Rattliffe is I think only around 6-foot-8 or 6-foot-9 at best), and a number of Middle East teams like Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, & perhaps even Japan, Philipps can match up with those teams' centers.

Also, I think Philipps has the mobility & the athleticism to play as a 4, plus he seems to be developing his medium range jumpers & even his 3-pt shot. The good thing about Philipps is that he's still young, I think he's only 22 or 23, so he's still very much at the developmental stage. Meaning he can improve his mid-range & 3-pt shooting as he matures.

Time to activate Al Paniilio's (or whoever) diplomatic persuasion powers and have Mike Philipps FIBA eligible like how they fast-tracked Jaime Malonzo's status. Or maybe he needs to be drafted by one of Alice Guo errr Alpransis Tsuwa's team to be FIBA Legit.

[Rds]

What I like about the Japanese program is they are not NP centric. I would say the NP is the last part of their program.

Their top most effective move is identifying tall players that have the potential to be world level and helping them achieve this. But before to that their domestic HS program is probably top notch. Guard skills are probably taught to everybody. Hachimura, Watanabe and Kawashima? have guard skillls despite being 6’7 to 6’9 tall.

Why cant we have something like this? We probably have more 6’8 guys in thr pipeline than JP. Why cant we give them this training?


2nd is the a domestic league with unlimited height imports. The B league gives locals exposure to international level height and skills. It is like a super UAAP. So you get their midget PGs be aware of what skills to develop in order to be effective against trees. News flash, not all teams like to post their PGs. The number of UAAP products in the Asia leagues bear this out. With FSAs, UAAP players know how to play with and against almost 7 foot centers with length and athleticism.