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  • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    So there is that report that Iskati Thompson is doubtful for the OQT becoz of an ailing back injury. So in case Isksti can't play, that would leave Gilas with only CJ Perez, Chris Newsome & Dwight Ramos (though Dwight is mostly utilized as a 3) as our players at the 1 & 2 spots.

    This is what some of us here at IBN have been pointing out eversince coach Tim Cone announced the Gilas pool members which originally was made up of only 12 players. We've been saying, manipis tayo sa guard positions with only Iskati, Perez & Newsome in there.

    As the consensus have it, Jordan Heading should have been named to the pool. We've seen what Heading can do with Gilas. Heading was also impressive in his stint with Strong Group Athletics in a tournament in Dubai early this year.
    CTC think that FIBA setting is same as PBA that it's ok to have 12 players only, Eh nambabangko pa yan sa PBA eh... He should pick atleast 16 - 18 players max... I'm OK if he will not pick such as Heading or Baltazar due to favoritism issues or political issues w/ their handlers but 12 only? He thinks his players are robots that can play every single tournament and will always rely on Justin Brownlee's super talent... If he wants chemistry then pick Tolentino, Ahamnisi, Lassiter and Lastimosa to be part of the pool since all of them played under CTC either Ginebra or past Gilas Tim Cone involvement...

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    • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

      CTC think that FIBA setting is same as PBA that it's ok to have 12 players only, Eh nambabangko pa yan sa PBA eh... He should pick atleast 16 - 18 players max... I'm OK if he will not pick such as Heading or Baltazar due to favoritism issues or political issues w/ their handlers but 12 only? He thinks his players are robots that can play every single tournament and will always rely on Justin Brownlee's super talent... If he wants chemistry then pick Tolentino, Ahamnisi, Lassiter and Lastimosa to be part of the pool since all of them played under CTC either Ginebra or past Gilas Tim Cone involvement...
      It doesn't take a genius to know that injuries here & there as well as inavailability of players for whatever reason/s are normal. They happen all the time, hence it is vital to maintain enough No. of players in a pool/team. I think the ideal No. is 16 players. Para sa akin, hindi rin maganda yung subrang dami ng players like 22 or more.

      Take for instance the situation of Gilas in the 1st window of the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers last Feb., AJ Edu wasnt able to suit up becoz of injury. Then in the coming OQT, both Edu & Jamie Malonzo will not play becoz of injuries. I hope Iskati would be able to play.
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • Players that I want to add to coach Tim Cone's original 12-man Gilas team (sans favoritism & politics):

        Justin Baltazar
        Jordan Heading
        Will Navarro
        Robert Bolick

        Now if Bolick isn't willing to play for Gilas, I would replace him with the improved Alec Stockton who at 6-foot-2 is a good size point guard.

        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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        • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
          So there is that report that Iskati Thompson is doubtful for the OQT becoz of an ailing back injury. So in case Isksti can't play, that would leave Gilas with only CJ Perez, Chris Newsome & Dwight Ramos (though Dwight is mostly utilized as a 3) as our players at the 1 & 2 spots.

          This is what some of us here at IBN have been pointing out eversince coach Tim Cone announced the Gilas pool members which originally was made up of only 12 players. We've been saying, manipis tayo sa guard positions with only Iskati, Perez & Newsome in there.

          As the consensus have it, Jordan Heading should have been named to the pool. We've seen what Heading can do with Gilas. Heading was also impressive in his stint with Strong Group Athletics in a tournament in Dubai early this year.

          Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
          CTC think that FIBA setting is same as PBA that it's ok to have 12 players only, Eh nambabangko pa yan sa PBA eh... He should pick atleast 16 - 18 players max... I'm OK if he will not pick such as Heading or Baltazar due to favoritism issues or political issues w/ their handlers but 12 only? He thinks his players are robots that can play every single tournament and will always rely on Justin Brownlee's super talent... If he wants chemistry then pick Tolentino, Ahamnisi, Lassiter and Lastimosa to be part of the pool since all of them played under CTC either Ginebra or past Gilas Tim Cone involvement...
          Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
          It doesn't take a genius to know that injuries here & there as well as inavailability of players for whatever reason/s are normal. They happen all the time, hence it is vital to maintain enough No. of players in a pool/team. I think the ideal No. is 16 players. Para sa akin, hindi rin maganda yung subrang dami ng players like 22 or more.

          Take for instance the situation of Gilas in the 1st window of the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers last Feb., AJ Edu wasnt able to suit up becoz of injury. Then in the coming OQT, both Edu & Jamie Malonzo will not play becoz of injuries. I hope Iskati would be able to play.
          Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
          Players that I want to add to coach Tim Cone's original 12-man Gilas team (sans favoritism & politics):

          Justin Baltazar
          Jordan Heading
          Will Navarro
          Robert Bolick

          Now if Bolick isn't willing to play for Gilas, I would replace him with the improved Alec Stockton who at 6-foot-2 is a good size point guard.
          Japeth and Mason Amos are part of the pool. It's already 14.​​

          So here's the pool as of now:

          Guards: Scottie, Newsome, Perez
          Wings: Dwight, Brownlee (NP), Oftana, Malonzo
          Tweeners: Tamayo, Quiambao, Mason (reserve)
          Bigs: Kai, AJ, June Mar, Japeth (reserve)

          We need at least one reserve in the guards. If not Bolick and/or Heading, try recalling SJ Belangel and RJ Abarrientos. Also, Newsome turns 34 next month, so he's close to retirement.

          As for the wing, Dwight's the only reliable local defensive wing, Malonzo's injured, JB's a NP and is 36, and Oftana's having trouble on defense as of late. We'll need Navarro as the defensive wing after JB retires or to replace Malonzo and Oftana.

          For the tweeners and bigs, AJ's the only reliable defender, so we'll have to rely on JB to help Kai out when AJ's injured or on the bench. We need a good defender at those spots just in case AJ's injured. Balti, Kemark Carino? The real worry is if AJ gets hurt after JB retires. Can Kai develop into a reliable defender, or will we need a good defensive 4 to help him out in case AJ's injured?

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          • Originally posted by IPC View Post








            Japeth and Mason Amos are part of the pool. It's already 14.​​

            So here's the pool as of now:

            Guards: Scottie, Newsome, Perez
            Wings: Dwight, Brownlee (NP), Oftana, Malonzo
            Tweeners: Tamayo, Quiambao, Mason (reserve)
            Bigs: Kai, AJ, June Mar, Japeth (reserve)

            We need at least one reserve in the guards. If not Bolick and/or Heading, try recalling SJ Belangel and RJ Abarrientos. Also, Newsome turns 34 next month, so he's close to retirement.

            As for the wing, Dwight's the only reliable local defensive wing, Malonzo's injured, JB's a NP and is 36, and Oftana's having trouble on defense as of late. We'll need Navarro as the defensive wing after JB retires or to replace Malonzo and Oftana.

            For the tweeners and bigs, AJ's the only reliable defender, so we'll have to rely on JB to help Kai out when AJ's injured or on the bench. We need a good defender at those spots just in case AJ's injured. Balti, Kemark Carino? The real worry is if AJ gets hurt after JB retires. Can Kai develop into a reliable defender, or will we need a good defensive 4 to help him out in case AJ's injured?
            I thought Japeth is only a temporary replacement for AJ Edu who wasn't available in the 1st window becoz of injury.

            Between Mason Amos & Baltazar, I like the latter better. Mason's edge over Baltazar is his youth but in terms of current capabilities Baltazar is better.
            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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            • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
              I thought Japeth is only a temporary replacement for AJ Edu who wasn't available in the 1st window becoz of injury.

              Between Mason Amos & Baltazar, I like the latter better. Mason's edge over Baltazar is his youth but in terms of current capabilities Baltazar is better.
              Yeah, it's permanent. Japeth and Mason are permanent members of the pool.

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              • I would like to test the mettle of Alec Stockton playing for Gilas. We've been clamoring for good size point guards for our national team for years now. So there is the 6-foot-2 Stockton who has made significant improvement in his game in the past 1 year & has become one of Converge' top players. While Stockton isn't that young (he turns 26 in a few days), he hasn't reach his peak yet. Meaning he still can improve.

                If he will improve his passing, decision making & court awareness, then maganda potential nya to become a point guard for Gilas.

                He is known for his defense but the good thing is, he has really polished his offensive game lately. He is a good slasher & finisher, plus he can also hit those 3's. He also has reliable pull up jumper from mid-range. He is indeed a scoring threat. Compared to Iskati Thompson, I think Stockton has a better offensive game.

                What remains to be seen is if he can carryover those things in the FIBA or international game.
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • Originally posted by IPC View Post

                  Yeah, it's permanent. Japeth and Mason are permanent members of the pool.
                  Most likely after the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup, Japeth would already retire from the national team once & for all.
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                    • Watch thus video instead to get the full details..

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                      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                        I would like to test the mettle of Alec Stockton playing for Gilas. We've been clamoring for good size point guards for our national team for years now. So there is the 6-foot-2 Stockton who has made significant improvement in his game in the past 1 year & has become one of Converge' top players. While Stockton isn't that young (he turns 26 in a few days), he hasn't reach his peak yet. Meaning he still can improve.

                        If he will improve his passing, decision making & court awareness, then maganda potential nya to become a point guard for Gilas.

                        He is known for his defense but the good thing is, he has really polished his offensive game lately. He is a good slasher & finisher, plus he can also hit those 3's. He also has reliable pull up jumper from mid-range. He is indeed a scoring threat. Compared to Iskati Thompson, I think Stockton has a better offensive game.

                        What remains to be seen is if he can carryover those things in the FIBA or international game.
                        I remember having a discussion here to take Stockton as a backup PG for Gilas instead of an Aaron Black, good to see AStock's potential being recognized

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                        • It should be Panopio who should be the point guard to Kai and AJ. The guy has also been exposed to superior opposition abroad and is used to playing with and against bigger players.
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                          • Originally posted by zairex View Post

                            Watch thus video instead to get the full details..

                            https://www.youtube.com/live/ki7f01ErDPI
                            Was thinking of pointing this out, but at this point, we should stop beating a dead horse.

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                            • Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post

                              I remember having a discussion here to take Stockton as a backup PG for Gilas instead of an Aaron Black, good to see AStock's potential being recognized
                              Yeah, I remember that. At that time it was Aaron Black who was doing very well with Meralco with impressive stats. Stockton's performance & stats weren't that impressive at that time.

                              But it seems Black has been inconsistent with his game in the last 1 year or so (worse he got injured) while Stockton has been doing well in the last 1 year.
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • He has been given a lot of playing time and his coaches trust him with the ball which is great. Even when he wasn't doing well statistically, all the tools were there, relatively young at 26, a lean 6'2 w/ legit PG skills and plays with a lot of hustle/energy. For Gilas he doesn't need to score 15-20 points but surely he could put pressure on the ball defensively with his style of play.
                                Jordan's Ibrahim was torching us back in 2021 (not sure) and I believe guys like Stockton and Newsome will be very effective against similar types of PG (Long, lean and athletic)

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