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  • Originally posted by IPC View Post

    You asked the wrong person. I'm a Ginebra fan. Of course I'll have the enthusiasm (although I will scream at them for bad plays a bit more).
    Hahaha! Sorry bro, I forget you're a Ginebra fan pala!!!
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

      Forget about that issue in electricity bills.. that is separate issue.. this is sports topic and majority of PBA fans wants Meralco to win the series… Pinoy loves underdogs… They will gain some fans if they win this series vs SMB… PBA fans tired seeing SMB, Ginebra or even TNT always winning in the PBA…
      I for one doesn't want any SMC team to become champions becoz palagi nalang sila nagtsa champion & mainly becoz of its super souped up rosters. I want teams like Meralco, Phoenix, ROS, & my favorite team at the moment Converge to become champions. I know its far-fetch especially on the cases of Phoenix, ROS & Converge.
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
        I for one doesn't want any SMC team to become champions becoz palagi nalang sila nagtsa champion & mainly becoz of its super souped up rosters. I want teams like Meralco, Phoenix, ROS, & my favorite team at the moment Converge to become champions. I know its far-fetch especially on the cases of Phoenix, ROS & Converge.
        Ginebra has had good tactics and good team composition (talking about the guards, the big wings in Malonzo and Gray, even Brownlee, a rim protector in Japeth, and the versatile big in CStand), but what's noticed is the talent more than those tactics.

        MERALCO won 3 games this Finals because they attacked the weak points in SMB's defense and made life uncomfortable by making timely rotations and playing physical, rather than talent. RoS and TerraFirma also attacked those same weaknesses, but SMB eliminated them due to sheer talent, e.

        Tactics and good roster composition dapat, e.

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        • Originally posted by IPC View Post

          Ginebra has had good tactics and good team composition (talking about the guards, the big wings in Malonzo and Gray, even Brownlee, a rim protector in Japeth, and the versatile big in CStand), but what's noticed is the talent more than those tactics.

          MERALCO won 3 games this Finals because they attacked the weak points in SMB's defense and made life uncomfortable by making timely rotations and playing physical, rather than talent. RoS and TerraFirma also attacked those same weaknesses, but SMB eliminated them due to sheer talent, e.

          Tactics and good roster composition dapat, e.
          That's the downside coaching a talent-laden or souped up team. A coach will never get that much credit no matter how successful his team is. An ordinary basketball fan like me would always say: "Kaya lang yan nagtsa champion kasi subrang lakas ng line-up while most of the other teams are just too weak".

          But what if that team would miss a number of its key players? Kaya ba mag champion yan? Well, this Philippine Cup simply shows that without a few of its key players, coach Tim Cone can't lead Ginebra to the finals. Without Malonzo & Grey, Ginebra failed to make it to the finals. The thing is, even w/o Malozo & Grey, malakas pa rin line up ng Ginebra composition wise.
          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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          • Guys do U think Chris Newsome is a better player right now (I think he's 34 yrs old now) than he was 5 years ago?
            Talk about being a late bloomer. In Newsome's case, he seems a super late bloomer.
            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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            • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
              Guys do U think Chris Newsome is a better player right now (I think he's 34 yrs old now) than he was 5 years ago?
              Talk about being a late bloomer. In Newsome's case, he seems a super late bloomer.
              He got better at creating his own shot. He just got that ability now. His defense has always been good, we just saw it for Gilas in the FIBA windows and in the Asiad.

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              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                I for one doesn't want any SMC team to become champions becoz palagi nalang sila nagtsa champion & mainly becoz of its super souped up rosters. I want teams like Meralco, Phoenix, ROS, & my favorite team at the moment Converge to become champions. I know its far-fetch especially on the cases of Phoenix, ROS & Converge.
                If Meralco can then why not for Phoenix, ROS and Converge? Meralco is not you think that they harvesting players from the farm teams, Meralco build this team thru draft and good trade assets.. they sometimes failed w/ Belo trade and they not make any moves after that.. they just pick right rookies even from the lowest possible picks, Just look at Black and Quinto.. they are not 1st rounders but become the futures of Meralco franchise… And they hire a good foreign coach to assist Trillo… Maybe Phoenix, Converge start hiring foreign coaches to build their teams into a contender what Meralco is doing as of the moment… I don’t know for ROS if they will hire a foreign coach since you know Yeng Guiao has a higher ego and he hates foreign coaches.. But for Phoenix and Converge, hiring good foreign coaches is good for them to atleast to be competitive and who knows… If Meralco can then they can do it too…

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                • Originally posted by IPC View Post

                  Ginebra has had good tactics and good team composition (talking about the guards, the big wings in Malonzo and Gray, even Brownlee, a rim protector in Japeth, and the versatile big in CStand), but what's noticed is the talent more than those tactics.

                  MERALCO won 3 games this Finals because they attacked the weak points in SMB's defense and made life uncomfortable by making timely rotations and playing physical, rather than talent. RoS and TerraFirma also attacked those same weaknesses, but SMB eliminated them due to sheer talent, e.

                  Tactics and good roster composition dapat, e.
                  Terrafirma have a good pieces but you know their history… Sayang, their line up can be a legit contender if they are not a farm team.. I hope someone major companies who are willing to spend will but Dyip’s franchise.. Their line up is very competitive already…

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                  • Originally posted by IPC View Post

                    He got better at creating his own shot. He just got that ability now. His defense has always been good, we just saw it for Gilas in the FIBA windows and in the Asiad.
                    Yeah. I think Newsome's pull-up jumper off the dribble from mid-range has become among the most reliable jump shots in the PBA today.

                    The way I see it, he's going to beat CJ Perez for a starter role in Gilas at the 2-guard position. While Perez has a better offensive game than Newsome in the PBA level, Newsome has better all around skills becoz he has better defensive skills than Perez.
                    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                    • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                      The good thing is that we now have some depth at the 3 spot or the small forward position with Dwight, Oftana, Quiambao, Navarro, Tuffin & Javi GDL.

                      Then in the pipeline are Mark Belmonte, Chico Briones, Jonel Policarpio, Justin Sanchez & maybe Francis Lopez (I actually have doubts about the potential of this guy).

                      I think never in the history of Philippine basketball that we had as many good size small forwards (6-foot-5/6-foot-6) as we have right now at our disposal.
                      Originally posted by KoolAid View Post
                      Wait, so you have doubts on Francis Lopez but not on guys like Briones (didn't even play last season, was mostly 11th man) and Belmonte (Rookie) lmao
                      Originally posted by xenoloxy View Post
                      Lopez is better than both lol
                      Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                      What I meant there was I have some doubt on the ability of Francis Lopez to play as a wingman. As of this point, Lopez is really the better player compared to both Chico Briones & Mark Belmonte but in terms of the ability to play as a wingman, I feel Briones & Belmonte have the better potential. Lopez skill set as of now is more of that of a "four" than a three or a two. I think Lopez' handles is inferior compared to either Briones or Belmonte.
                      Going back to this series of posts. Chicco is a good perimeter defender and 3-point shooter, while Belmonte can shoot as well. If you're not a star, you have to be able to defend the perimeter as a wing. Otherwise, just shooting is enough, although unless you have a good defender at the 2, you might be better off coming off the bench. Lopez has showed neither perimeter defense nor shooting until this preseason.

                      Belmonte might need work on laterals, but he has been trying to defend the perimeter. Lopez is making three-point shots in the Filoil​, and can slide his feet to defend the perimeter better, even staying in front of guards.

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                      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                        Yeah. I think Newsome's pull-up jumper off the dribble from mid-range has become among the most reliable jump shots in the PBA today.

                        The way I see it, he's going to beat CJ Perez for a starter role in Gilas at the 2-guard position. While Perez has a better offensive game than Newsome in the PBA level, Newsome has better all around skills becoz he has better defensive skills than Perez.
                        Newsome has a better midrange jumper than CJ, and is a better man-to-man defender.

                        What's saving CJ on defense is his effort and ability to play the passing lanes (although he is sometimes overzealous in that). I've noticed in the MERALCO series, when CJ was put on Banchero or Newsome, it's barbecue chicken. Actually, I've noticed lately this season, CJ does tend to get blown by a bit.

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                        • Originally posted by xenoloxy View Post
                          why is CJ Perez still with out NT? hope he gets replaced by one of the college players, he just has the worst shot selection + bad tunnel vision
                          Erratic shooter, and his defense outside of passing lanes, not the best. Out of position sometimes in rotations, and gets blown by too. We saw Newsome and Banchero make mincemeat of CJ's defense. A lot of the time, it's an easy drive or shot.

                          His best use talaga is, put him in passing lanes. That, along with his effort and hustle, are his primary strengths.

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                          • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                            Erratic shooter, and his defense outside of passing lanes, not the best. Out of position sometimes in rotations, and gets blown by too. We saw Newsome and Banchero make mincemeat of CJ's defense. A lot of the time, it's an easy drive or shot.

                            His best use talaga is, put him in passing lanes. That, along with his effort and hustle, are his primary strengths.
                            Bring him off the bench and sit him down when starts making mistakes. Or replace him with Bolick who's a real Guard ( same height, better shooter/ decision maker, probably same defensively)

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                            • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                              Perhaps AJ is OK to play in the coming OQT, it's just that his handlers are worried that putting him back into action, soon especially in this level of competition where he has to play against world level teams, AJ would risk another injury. They would want to rest AJ & make him fully recover from that injury before he is allowed to suit up for Gilas.

                              It's just too unfortunate that AJ has glass knees.
                              ​AJ is crucial. As of now, he's our only reliable local big on defense. Kai's not there yet, although he improved the past season. Needs to work on his timing and positioning a little more. Carl and Quiambao are good at interior passing lanes, but Quiambao's just 6'5" and there are plans of moving him to the 3, and Carl's more of a post defender who can switch sometimes, and he gets blown by sometimes and fouls a bit.

                              AJ's injury history makes it more urgent to find a local 4/5 who can defend, or naturalize a 4/5 who can defend (4, so he can play alongside Kai), while JB's still with us. Sir Rds would like a center NP for that. Until Kai improves on defense, we need a good defender at the 4/5 (good thing JB's a good defender at the 4). Unless our perimeter defenders are good enough to prevent drives and rim pressure. That's just Dwight, JB (who will play a lot of 4), Newsome, and Skati, e. CJ and Oftana need to improve on defense.

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                              • So there is that report that Iskati Thompson is doubtful for the OQT becoz of an ailing back injury. So in case Isksti can't play, that would leave Gilas with only CJ Perez, Chris Newsome & Dwight Ramos (though Dwight is mostly utilized as a 3) as our players at the 1 & 2 spots.

                                This is what some of us here at IBN have been pointing out eversince coach Tim Cone announced the Gilas pool members which originally was made up of only 12 players. We've been saying, manipis tayo sa guard positions with only Iskati, Perez & Newsome in there.

                                As the consensus have it, Jordan Heading should have been named to the pool. We've seen what Heading can do with Gilas. Heading was also impressive in his stint with Strong Group Athletics in a tournament in Dubai early this year.
                                Last edited by JAMSKIE; 06-17-2024, 04:54 AM.
                                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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