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  • Originally posted by Joe Yabuki View Post
    It might be time to start considering Javi for Gilas... And maaybe Go if theres not enough big bodies
    Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
    Go is slow for the 4-spot. Javi GDL, while he has improved significantly in offense in the PBA may not be as good a defender at the wings as compared to Dwight, Oftana or Malonzo.​
    I agree on Javi's recall to at least the pool. Although he's a bit of a liability on on-ball defense at 3/2, he'll be a 3-point specialist anyway. With a good defender next to him at 2 or 3, Javi will be fine, and we can hide him. He's done this before, although against just Indonesia and Thailand.

    Pero if Javi gets recalled, so should a guy like Will Navarro. We need a good defender at 3.

    Kung big naman, I think Kemark Carino should be the guy. Averaging over a block per game in the PBA, and has good timing and instincts on defense, which we desperately need in case AJ Edu gets hurt. Can play 4 and 5 too.

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    • Originally posted by IPC View Post


      I agree on Javi's recall to at least the pool. Although he's a bit of a liability on on-ball defense at 3/2, he'll be a 3-point specialist anyway. With a good defender next to him at 2 or 3, Javi will be fine, and we can hide him. He's done this before, although against just Indonesia and Thailand.

      Pero if Javi gets recalled, so should a guy like Will Navarro. We need a good defender at 3.

      Kung big naman, I think Kemark Carino should be the guy. Averaging over a block per game in the PBA, and has good timing and instincts on defense, which we desperately need in case AJ Edu gets hurt. Can play 4 and 5 too.
      What about 6-foot-5 Ken Tuffin as another Gilas prospect at the 3 spot? I think Tuffin's defense is decent. Though offense wise he's not as good as a Dwight Ramos, or Oftana or a Quiambao, I think he could still be a theat offensively for Gilas at least in the Asian level. And I think Tuffin hasn't reached his peak yet. Mag e improve pa yan.
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
        What about 6-foot-5 Ken Tuffin as another Gilas prospect at the 3 spot? I think Tuffin's defense is decent. Though offense wise he's not as good as a Dwight Ramos, or Oftana or a Quiambao, I think he could still be a theat offensively for Gilas at least in the Asian level. And I think Tuffin hasn't reached his peak yet. Mag e improve pa yan.
        I forgot about Tuffin, sorry. He's a decent defender, and just his shooting and hustle is enough for our offense. We have JB and hopefully Kai for the offensive load, e.

        Sakto, kasi we'll be without Malonzo for a while. He'll miss the OQT, but might be back for the November window.

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        • Originally posted by IPC View Post

          I forgot about Tuffin, sorry. He's a decent defender, and just his shooting and hustle is enough for our offense. We have JB and hopefully Kai for the offensive load, e.

          Sakto, kasi we'll be without Malonzo for a while. He'll miss the OQT, but might be back for the November window.
          The good thing is that we now have some depth at the 3 spot or the small forward position with Dwight, Oftana, Quiambao, Navarro, Tuffin & Javi GDL.

          Then in the pipeline are Mark Belmonte, Chico Briones, Jonel Policarpio, Justin Sanchez & maybe Francis Lopez (I actually have doubts about the potential of this guy).

          I think never in the history of Philippine basketball that we had as many good size small forwards (6-foot-5/6-foot-6) as we have right now at our disposal.
          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
            The good thing is that we now have some depth at the 3 spot or the small forward position with Dwight, Oftana, Quiambao, Navarro, Tuffin & Javi GDL.

            Then in the pipeline are Mark Belmonte, Chico Briones, Jonel Policarpio, Justin Sanchez & maybe Francis Lopez (I actually have doubts about the potential of this guy).

            I think never in the history of Philippine basketball that we had as many good size small forwards (6-foot-5/6-foot-6) as we have right now at our disposal.
            What we need now is a top local wing. Our top wing has to be a star in the level of at least Samad Nikkah Bahrami or Fadi El-Khatib, or a good man-to-man defender like what Gabe Norwood was for us.

            So far, we just have the man-to-man defenders like Dwight, Navarro, and Tuffin. Hopefully Belmonte, Chicco, Policarpio, Sanchez, and Lopez can become good man-to-man defenders. Don't forget Jacob Bayla, Caelum Harris, and maybe Alex Konov too.

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            • Originally posted by Rds View Post
              I think Cone’ s hands are tied here. Chualay and SMC in the end have a final say on which players they can pick. Aside from the international shoo-ins, Kai, Dwight, Edu, and the couple of MVP guys who pass the muster, Oftana and Newsome, the rest should be SMC guys. The injuries are testing his rule that he will only get 11 locals for the pool. Being competitive in the OQT will give his pool a lifeline. However if they fail, pressure is on him and Chua to add non-SMC guys to the pool.
              Speaking of team building, I've touched on this before, but I think we sometimes focus too much on names and firepower, oftentimes at the expense of balance. No regard for who defends, mga ganun. Even fan lineups prefer names and firepower before considering team balance.

              I mean, for example, having Bennie Boatwright, a mostly one-way player (just offense), as the next NP after JB when the current pool doesn't have any good defensive bigs after injury-prone AJ Edu and 37yo Japeth. Kai's improving, but I feel he's still not at the level we need him to be on defense. As for JB and Blatche, they could play both ends in the FIBA level. JC worked because we had a healthy AJ Edu anchoring our defense, and we also had good perimeter defenders like Dwight and Abando.

              I'm just wary lang, kasi when I first started, I was a fan of a defensive team in the Bulls of the early 2010's, and then the defense wins championships mindset. And then here's this post I made.

              Originally posted by IPC View Post
              If we're going with Bennie Boatwright as JB's successor at NP, we need as many good perimeter defenders at 1, 2, and 3 as possible, like Will Navarro at the 3, so that we can limit dribble penetration, especially when AJ's not around. Kai has to improve on D as well by November 2025.

              I'm going to repeat, I may have a 'defense wins championships' mindset, but historically, when we did well defensively, we did well in meets up to the continental level (FIBA Asia silvers, Asiad gold). When we had a poor defense, we did poorly (2017 and 2021 FIBA Asia Cups, 2021 SEA Games). Heck we gave up 13-31 from three to Indonesia in 2022, and 118 points on 44-66 shooting (16-21 from 3) to SoKor in 2017.

              At least for now, we have JB to cover for anyone not named Newsome, Dwight, Scottie, or AJ.

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              • Originally posted by IPC View Post

                What we need now is a top local wing. Our top wing has to be a star in the level of at least Samad Nikkah Bahrami or Fadi El-Khatib, or a good man-to-man defender like what Gabe Norwood was for us.

                So far, we just have the man-to-man defenders like Dwight, Navarro, and Tuffin. Hopefully Belmonte, Chicco, Policarpio, Sanchez, and Lopez can become good man-to-man defenders. Don't forget Jacob Bayla, Caelum Harris, and maybe Alex Konov too.
                Having a wingman as tall/big & as skilled as a Samad Bahrami or a Fadi El Khatib would be sort of an ambitious expectation unless of course that guy is foreign born/trained. We all know how good players Bahrami & El Khatib we're during their prime. And I think both players are considered legends in Asian basketball.

                Maybe that guy could be a Caelum Harris (though I have some doubts about Caelum's potential) or a Patrick Perez (a 19-year old 6-foot-6 kid who is said to have a wingspan of a 7-footer) or a Femi Edu (AJ Edu's younger brother who is a 6-foot-5 natural wing guy).
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                  Having a wingman as tall/big & as skilled as a Samad Bahrami or a Fadi El Khatib would be sort of an ambitious expectation unless of course that guy is foreign born/trained. We all know how good players Bahrami & El Khatib we're during their prime. And I think both players are considered legends in Asian basketball.

                  Maybe that guy could be a Caelum Harris (though I have some doubts about Caelum's potential) or a Patrick Perez (a 19-year old 6-foot-6 kid who is said to have a wingspan of a 7-footer) or a Femi Edu (AJ Edu's younger brother who is a 6-foot-5 natural wing guy).
                  If our top wing can't be a star at the level of Bahrami, the alternative is that he should be a good defender, like Gabe was for us. Hence, we have to develop 196cm+ (6'5"+) wings to play defense as a start.

                  If you can neither be a star or a good defender, backup wing ka na lang.

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                  • Originally posted by IPC View Post

                    If our top wing can't be a star at the level of Bahrami, the alternative is that he should be a good defender, like Gabe was for us. Hence, we have to develop 196cm+ (6'5"+) wings to play defense as a start.

                    If you can neither be a star or a good defender, backup wing ka na lang.
                    Agree.
                    I say a poor man version of Samad Bahrami but with Gabe Norwood-level defense (or maybe slightly inferior) would be good enough. Also we can take take advantage of our depth in the 3-spot.

                    I'm now thinking of how our Gilas team would look like 2 or 3 years from now. By that time Bennie Boatwright would be our NP. I'm thinking of a Dwight Ramos-Oftana-Ken Tuffin rotation at the 3 spot with Dwight & Tuffin able to play at the 2-guard spot as well. Then we'll have CJ Perez & Abando playing the 2-guard spot. Iskati Thompson & either Dalph Panopio or Alec Stockton (depending on how he develops) as our point guards. Carl Tamayo & either Jamie Malonzo or Quiambao relieving Boatwright at the 4 spot. Then its Kai Sotto & AJ Edu rotating at the center spot.
                    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                    • Speaking of potential wingmen. how about Leonard Santillan? he play like Calvin Oftana with defense and his shooting is also decent.
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                      • Originally posted by tootch View Post
                        Speaking of potential wingmen. how about Leonard Santillan? he play like Calvin Oftana with defense and his shooting is also decent.
                        I think Leonand Santillan is more of a four than a wingman. But yeah, with the way he has been playing in the PBA, he can be considered as a Gilas prospect at the 4 spot.
                        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                        • Didn't Santillan make a mess when he played internationally? 3x3, right? Playing him at 4 at FIBA is a death sentence for Gilas. That is something Joke Reyes would do.
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                          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                            I think Leonand Santillan is more of a four than a wingman. But yeah, with the way he has been playing in the PBA, he can be considered as a Gilas prospect at the 4 spot.
                            I agree he is more of a 4. I think he along with the ineligibles give a decent challenge to the Gilas level guys like Oftana. Good shooting stroke. Decent mobility. Decent strength. But at around 6’4/6’5 undersized for the 4. Slow as a 3. He is slower and IMO less skilled in the perimeter than Oftana.

                            Speaking about Santi. I think he is of the older school of UAAP PFs. Although skilled, he prioritized strength in the post over versatility in the perimeter. The UAAP PFs now, particularly in UP are more skilled and more mobile laterally. These guys can fill the spot guys like Oftana and Javi are trailblazing in the PBA now, tall SFs.
                            Last edited by Rds; 05-12-2024, 09:24 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by tootch View Post
                              Speaking of potential wingmen. how about Leonard Santillan? he play like Calvin Oftana with defense and his shooting is also decent.
                              Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                              I think Leonand Santillan is more of a four than a wingman. But yeah, with the way he has been playing in the PBA, he can be considered as a Gilas prospect at the 4 spot.
                              Originally posted by live_evil View Post
                              Didn't Santillan make a mess when he played internationally? 3x3, right? Playing him at 4 at FIBA is a death sentence for Gilas. That is something Joke Reyes would do.
                              Originally posted by Rds View Post
                              I agree he is more of a 4. I think he along with the ineligibles give a decent challenge to the Gilas level guys like Oftana. Good shooting stroke. Decent mobility. Decent strength. But at around 6’4/6’5 undersized for the 4. Slow as a 3. He is slower and IMO less skilled in the perimeter than Oftana.

                              Speaking about Santi. I think he is of the older school of UAAP PFs. Although skilled, he prioritized strength in the post over versatility in the perimeter. The UAAP PFs now, particularly in UP are more skilled and more mobile laterally. These guys can fill the spot guys like Oftana and Javi are trailblazing in the PBA now, tall SFs.
                              Santillan is more of a 4 too in my view. He's more of a tweener. Problem is, he's too small for even that position as a 4.

                              Besides, at 3, we already have Oftana, Malonzo, Dwight, Navarro, Tuffin, Javi, and Arvin. At 4, we have AJ, Carl, Quiambao, Japeth, and Mason, not to mention having JB and Boatwright.

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                              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                                The good thing is that we now have some depth at the 3 spot or the small forward position with Dwight, Oftana, Quiambao, Navarro, Tuffin & Javi GDL.

                                Then in the pipeline are Mark Belmonte, Chico Briones, Jonel Policarpio, Justin Sanchez & maybe Francis Lopez (I actually have doubts about the potential of this guy).

                                I think never in the history of Philippine basketball that we had as many good size small forwards (6-foot-5/6-foot-6) as we have right now at our disposal.
                                Wait, so you have doubts on Francis Lopez but not on guys like Briones (didn't even play last season, was mostly 11th man) and Belmonte (Rookie) lmao

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