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  • Originally posted by IPC View Post



    Oliver tore his ACL in high school.​
    Well, due to the advancement of sports medicine, an ACL tear is no longer that detrimental to a player like it used to be some 30 years ago. Guys like Allein Maliksi, Robert Bolick, Kevin Alas suffered ACL torns (Maliksi & Alas in fact had multiple ACL injuries), yet its as if they never had ACL injuries with the way they played after such injuries. Even AJ Edu who also had multiple ACL & MCL injuries played well for Gilas & in the B-league.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    • Originally posted by Rds View Post

      My bad. He had a knee sprain while with TNT. The naturalization talks stopped after that. https://www.rappler.com/sports/pba/t...r-knee-injury/
      As if Benny didnt have knee issues either (thats why his game is more on outside and not the best perimeter defender either
      To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
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      • I saw the latest andwil yap videos today. The first time i saw this guy, i thought that there could be no more worse physical specimen for basketball than him.

        But, he endures.

        The sheer determination to make something of himself is now showing. He is actually mobile for a young 6'7. But not yet quickly and effortlessly moving into positions where he can score and rebound at the highest chances. The utter lack of tutorials from intelligent, highly productive pinoy big power forwards -- 6'8 and above -- who can show him to at least move like kai sotto towards dominance points is obvious. Other than tamayo and baltazar, there are no peak pf ballers who he can train with.

        Those short videos of u17 training clearly showed that nobody trained him to move as a power forward. Is the u16/u17 still under some reyes useless coaching? The best, not the worst, coaches should be in these age groups when productive styles of attack and defense are being developed.

        With prospective SENIOR national players with the dedication to work their butts off like him, i see future power forwards like andwil who can bang right through something the size of fajardo with ease.

        That owen calinasan boy (6'9 now?) also is a good candidate for a national power forward. Both players would be very good for the 2024 u16, and usable for the u17 too. Why were the sons of 3 ex-pba players, who are 6'6 and taller, not invited to the u17 pool? Sharma, reyes and de ocampo look like good u17 candidates.

        We know that those midget u17 players will eternally be first in attending all national training opportunities. They are the most disposable, and they know that. But u17/u16 international tournaments have very little need for midgets, despite their great enthusiasm and willingness. Hindi paliitan ng team ang basketbol.


        The last u16 team very fortunately won over a garbage japanese team. That trashy lineup will be brutally destroyed in the world u17, where world-class youths are participating. If you dont believe me, can you identify players in that team who will have excellent offensive and defensive abilities to be selected for a mythical world 5?

        Last edited by ccharmed; 04-10-2024, 04:33 AM.

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        • Originally posted by ccharmed View Post
          I saw the latest andwil yap videos today. The first time i saw this guy, i thought that there could be no more worse physical specimen for basketball than him.

          But, he endures.

          The sheer determination to make something of himself is now showing. He is actually mobile for a young 6'7. But not yet quickly and effortlessly moving into positions where he can score and rebound at the highest chances. The utter lack of tutorials from intelligent, highly productive pinoy big power forwards -- 6'8 and above -- who can show him to at least move like kai sotto towards dominance points is obvious. Other than tamayo and baltazar, there are no peak pf ballers who he can train with.

          Those short videos of u17 training clearly showed that nobody trained him to move as a power forward. Is the u16/u17 still under some reyes useless coaching? The best, not the worst, coaches should be in these age groups when productive styles of attack and defense are being developed.

          With prospective SENIOR national players with the dedication to work their butts off like him, i see future power forwards like andwil who can bang right through something the size of fajardo with ease.

          That owen calinasan boy (6'9 now?) also is a good candidate for a national power forward. Both players would be very good for the 2024 u16, and usable for the u17 too. Why were the sons of 3 ex-pba players, who are 6'6 and taller, not invited to the u17 pool? Sharma, reyes and de ocampo look like good u17 candidates.

          We know that those midget u17 players will eternally be first in attending all national training opportunities. They are the most disposable, and they know that. But u17/u16 international tournaments have very little need for midgets, despite their great enthusiasm and willingness. Hindi paliitan ng team ang basketbol.


          The last u16 team very fortunately won over a garbage japanese team. That trashy lineup will be brutally destroyed in the world u17, where world-class youths are participating. If you dont believe me, can you identify players in that team who will have excellent offensive and defensive abilities to be selected for a mythical world 5?

          2 names that I think could at least play decent against world level competition are Kieffer Alas and James Sanderson. I'm more intrigued though in the highly possible inclusion of 14 yo Prince Carino who will still be age-eligible in the next iteration of Fiba U16/U17 comp. He's around 6'5-6'6 (based on his pic beside RDO) and moves like a young Carl Tamayo. Still young but plenty of potential.

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          • Originally posted by earldeboy View Post

            2 names that I think could at least play decent against world level competition are Kieffer Alas and James Sanderson. I'm more intrigued though in the highly possible inclusion of 14 yo Prince Carino who will still be age-eligible in the next iteration of Fiba U16/U17 comp. He's around 6'5-6'6 (based on his pic beside RDO) and moves like a young Carl Tamayo. Still young but plenty of potential.
            That Sanderson kid is very interesting. Imagine this early, as according to Zero Buckets (vlogger), Sanderson got offers from NCAA div. 1 schools. This kid must be so talented. I just hope walang palakasan sa Batang Gilas team tryouts.
            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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            • I feel Alec Stockton of Converge deserves Gilas pool consideration, maybe not now but perhaps a year or 2 from now. Stockton improved significantly this year. Yes he has some flaws in his game but I think he has the skills, plus he's a good size point guard.

              I remember about 5 years ago, there was that idea of some posters here that CJ Perez should be converted to play as a point guard or a combo guard for Gilas. The hitch is, Perez hardly played as point guard for SMB, hence he lacks the reps playing such role. Stockton on the other hand is playing as a point guard for Converge, hence he's getting the reps.

              I feel Stockton would be a good back up for Iskati Thompson at the point guard spot, again maybe not now but a year or 2 from now.
              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                I feel Alec Stockton of Converge deserves Gilas pool consideration, maybe not now but perhaps a year or 2 from now. Stockton improved significantly this year. Yes he has some flaws in his game but I think he has the skills, plus he's a good size point guard.

                I remember about 5 years ago, there was that idea of some posters here that CJ Perez should be converted to play as a point guard or a combo guard for Gilas. The hitch is, Perez hardly played as point guard for SMB, hence he lacks the reps playing such role. Stockton on the other hand is playing as a point guard for Converge, hence he's getting the reps.

                I feel Stockton would be a good back up for Iskati Thompson at the point guard spot, again maybe not now but a year or 2 from now.
                Agree. Alec Stockton is lowkey player, unorthodox. people don't know how good he is. Can score, shoot, pass and defend. he's like chris newsome with less hops a bit. he's eligible to play for gilas.
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                • Should be Panopio who gets the point guard slot. He is the perfect complement to Kai and AJ.
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                  • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
                    Should be Panopio who gets the point guard slot. He is the perfect complement to Kai and AJ.
                    Problem with Panopio is that he's not on anyone's radar, especially SBP's radar.
                    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                    • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                      Problem with Panopio is that he's not on anyone's radar, especially SBP's radar.
                      Tbh he comes off the bench and barely plays the pg position for his team. Mostly plays off ball.

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                      • lots of player are better than stockton.. rjay, kiefer, SJ, panopio.. it will be tough for stockton..
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                        • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post
                          lots of player are better than stockton.. rjay, kiefer, SJ, panopio.. it will be tough for stockton..
                          Kiefer isn't getting any younger. RJ Abarrientos & SJ Belangel are below 6 feet point guards. Panopio hasn't shown much playing in the US NCAA div. 1 league.

                          A wringkle I see in Stockton's game is his high turnover average especially in the current Phi Cup. But I think such weakness in his game can still be addressed.
                          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                          • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                            Kiefer isn't getting any younger. RJ Abarrientos & SJ Belangel are below 6 feet point guards. Panopio hasn't shown much playing in the US NCAA div. 1 league.

                            A wringkle I see in Stockton's game is his high turnover average especially in the current Phi Cup. But I think such weakness in his game can still be addressed.
                            And iskati is around that height. Best PG's are currently playing outside RP.. no to disrespect stockton but it will be difficult for him to get a call up where list of players are above him. SJ played well in recently concluded KBL regular season and we havent talk about the combo guard jordan heading
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                            • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post

                              And iskati is around that height. Best PG's are currently playing outside RP.. no to disrespect stockton but it will be difficult for him to get a call up where list of players are above him. SJ played well in recently concluded KBL regular season and we havent talk about the combo guard jordan heading
                              Well, Iskati may be only around 6-foot flat or maybe 5-foot-11 but he plays bigger than his height. He rebounds like a 6-foot-5 player & is a decent defender. The same couldn't be said about either Belangel & RJ Abarrientos.

                              Remember also that both Belangel & Abarrientos aren't playing in the PBA while Stockton does. Isn't SMC now handles Gilas with Gilas head coach Tim Cone being a PBA coach under SMC? With this, I feel Belangel & Abarrientos wont be getting preference from SBP as much as PBA guards would get.
                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • My take is, midget point guards would get consideration for the national team only if they got exceptional skills, quickness & athleticism like say a Jason Castro or my most favorite Pinoy point guard of all time- Johnny Abarrientos. Japan's Togashi & Kawamura are undersized point guards but they got exceptional skills, quickness & court savvy that's why they are in the Japanese national team.
                                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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