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  • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

    That's a red flag right there. A point guard with shaky handles won't be a good national team prospect. Kung sa PBA level shaky na yung handles nya, then what more in the higher level FIBA game.

    It would be somewhat tolerable if Stockton is just 21 or 22 yrs of age (there is time/chance to improve his handles), problem is he is about to turn 26 already.
    I just wish that grassroots development will focus on conditioning, laterals, handles, dribbling and shooting at a young age regardless of the height. Sad that the tallest kid in the community is the de facto center and is taught how to play the post.

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    • Holt was already 22 when Reyes tried to recruit him, but he would’ve still been eligible for Gilas as the Hagop rule that required potential national players to secure passports before the age of 16 was yet to take effect.

      “Pwede sana siya, but it never panned out,” Reyes said.


      This isn't accurate as the 'Hagop Rule" (passport before 16th birthday rule) was imposed during the 2011 FIBA Asia Championship in which Gilas players Marcio Lassiter & Chris Lutz were bared from playing for Gilas in the 1st few games of that tournament. Lassiter & Lutz were later allowed to play in the Gilas next games due to the intervention of the late FIBA Sec. General Patrick Bauman.
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
        https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/c...ult_widget_pba

        Holt was already 22 when Reyes tried to recruit him, but he would’ve still been eligible for Gilas as the Hagop rule that required potential national players to secure passports before the age of 16 was yet to take effect.

        “Pwede sana siya, but it never panned out,” Reyes said.


        This isn't accurate as the 'Hagop Rule" (passport before 16th birthday rule) was imposed during the 2011 FIBA Asia Championship in which Gilas players Marcio Lassiter & Chris Lutz were bared from playing for Gilas in the 1st few games of that tournament. Lassiter & Lutz were later allowed to play in the Gilas next games due to the intervention of the late FIBA Sec. General Patrick Bauman.
        Sir Jams,

        that's the challenge of those hafus like Holt, QMB, the Harpers among others during that time they don't have the time, the patience(???) to process the docs personally because they also had other priorities just like any other pinoy family in the states.

        paperworks and legworks will certainly eat some time, money and lot's of patience to be able to secure one.

        if only Fil Nation Select was establish much earlier, maybe just maybe Clarkson, Jalen Green and Hepa may had a chance to be eligible locally.

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        • Originally posted by BJ_Reloaded View Post

          Sir Jams,

          that's the challenge of those hafus like Holt, QMB, the Harpers among others during that time they don't have the time, the patience(???) to process the docs personally because they also had other priorities just like any other pinoy family in the states.

          paperworks and legworks will certainly eat some time, money and lot's of patience to be able to secure one.

          if only Fil Nation Select was establish much earlier, maybe just maybe Clarkson, Jalen Green and Hepa may had a chance to be eligible locally.
          Well prior to the 16th birthdays of Holt & Clarkson, "Hagop Rule" was not yet implemented.

          But I think when Melora-Brown, Jalen Green, Hepa. Remy Martin were in their 15 or 14 yrs, Hagop Rule was already there. From what I heard Martin obtained his Philippine passport after he just turned 16, so sayang talaga.
          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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          • ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

            But I think we have gotten things done na as far as securing Philippine passports for foreign based Pinoy players prior to their 16th birthday in recent years.

            As I've mentioned in the other thread, I feel future looks bright for our young foreign based or half-breed Pinoy players with the likes of Femi Edu, Patrick Perez, Caelum Harris, Chase Robertson & Tyler Bailey being FIBA eligible players for Gilas. These kids are natural wingmen and are in the 6-foot-5/6-foot-6 category. If these players will turn out to be serviceable for our senior Gilas team in 4 to 5 years time, then I think it would be unprecedented for a Phlippine national team having these many good size wingmen.
            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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            • Originally posted by Rds View Post

              IRC he had some problems with the physicality of the Fiba game in the U16 (U18?). It might have been the reason a shorter and less talented Abadiano eventually had more minutes than him IRC.

              I don't think that was the problem he played in Euro type basketball against rough Italian players,it was a matter of training time,he's almost always late coming in from Europe.He has good handles and the ball doesn't stay in his hands long,as soon as he crosses the line he's either going to shoot or make those quick pass to the cutting guy,that's his bread and butter,initiate the play as soon as possible.

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              • Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post

                Didn't he joined the team late and had sporadic minutes, couldn't get into rhythm? To be honest our shoot first PGs annoyed the hell out of me in the both youth tournaments
                This is kind of what is happening with him in his current team. Their best player is also a PG and has high usage. Panopio has only been getting chances when the guy is out or in foul trouble.

                I think Panopio needs to work on his aggressiveness (too unselfish). He tends to give way to more aggressive (even if they're lower quality) teammates.

                The bright side is, even with limited touches, he has been shooting 3s well (47% for the season).


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                • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                  Well prior to the 16th birthdays of Holt & Clarkson, "Hagop Rule" was not yet implemented.

                  But I think when Melora-Brown, Jalen Green, Hepa. Remy Martin were in their 15 or 14 yrs, Hagop Rule was already there. From what I heard Martin obtained his Philippine passport after he just turned 16, so sayang talaga.
                  Sir Jams,

                  Yup.

                  as for Remy Martin, if indeed he obtained his docs a few weeks or a few months after his 16th birthday but not yet on his 17th birthday, I think he has a very strong chance to be exempted much earlier compared to others who only gotten their respective passport when they are already in the 20's.

                  I think RM are in the same situation with Jayden Harper who also obtained(?) his PH Passport after a few weeks after his 16th birthday but was already exempted as per FIBA's official website.

                  same issue with Chris Koon, Sean Alter, Zav Lucero, Michael Philips, Kai Ballugay among others who also obtained their respective docs after their 16th birthday but not yet on their 20's but also had a strong chance to be exempted much faster hopefully it could in the next cycle from 2027 to 2032 WC.

                  as for the likes of Perkins(?),BGR, Barefiled, Datu, Luis Villegas, Laput among others well who only obtained when they've already in their early 20's but hopefully it's very much possible for the next cycle as well FOR AS LONG AS THEY ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE DOMESTIC LEAGUE, had a permanent address, a business, a family, votes here among others for the next 8 to 10 years. that's the key.

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                  • Remy should really have a strong case for exemption. Up to now, he has been showing a strong bond with his Pinoy roots. He recently set-up a foundation and a basketball training program for Pinoy youth.

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                    • Remy's stats in Greece are far from impressive though. Considering he is part of a weak team, he only gets 13min a game.

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                      • Originally posted by greenarcher View Post
                        Remy's stats in Greece are far from impressive though. Considering he is part of a weak team, he only gets 13min a game.
                        Putting things into perspective, if he can be considered a local...we've never had a local win a D1 championship as a key player and we barely have locals playing in euro leagues. Even papa Dwight never sniffed those accomplishments and he is doing well in Gilas.

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                        • Originally posted by BJ_Reloaded View Post

                          Sir Jams,

                          Yup.

                          as for Remy Martin, if indeed he obtained his docs a few weeks or a few months after his 16th birthday but not yet on his 17th birthday, I think he has a very strong chance to be exempted much earlier compared to others who only gotten their respective passport when they are already in the 20's.

                          I think RM are in the same situation with Jayden Harper who also obtained(?) his PH Passport after a few weeks after his 16th birthday but was already exempted as per FIBA's official website.

                          same issue with Chris Koon, Sean Alter, Zav Lucero, Michael Philips, Kai Ballugay among others who also obtained their respective docs after their 16th birthday but not yet on their 20's but also had a strong chance to be exempted much faster hopefully it could in the next cycle from 2027 to 2032 WC.

                          as for the likes of Perkins(?),BGR, Barefiled, Datu, Luis Villegas, Laput among others well who only obtained when they've already in their early 20's but hopefully it's very much possible for the next cycle as well FOR AS LONG AS THEY ARE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE DOMESTIC LEAGUE, had a permanent address, a business, a family, votes here among others for the next 8 to 10 years. that's the key.
                          Is it really already certain or almost certain that Jayden Harper is FIBA eligible? The way I see it seems everything is still a bit blurred about Jayden Harper's FIBA eligibility.
                          Last edited by JAMSKIE; 03-12-2024, 07:54 AM.
                          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                          • Heading said on an interview with Snow Badua that he'd like to return to Gilas.



                            He'd be a good candidate as Newsome's successor. Sacrifices some defense (though he defended well man-to-man in the Dubai tournament), but can shoot well and provides another ballhandler and initiator.

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                            • Originally posted by IPC View Post
                              Heading said on an interview with Snow Badua that he'd like to return to Gilas.



                              He'd be a good candidate as Newsome's successor. Sacrifices some defense (though he defended well man-to-man in the Dubai tournament), but can shoot well and provides another ballhandler and initiator.
                              Heading's defense isn't in the same level as Newsome but he is obviously a better shooter than Newsome I'm actually impressed with how Heading performed in Dubai. I mean for someone who was out of competitive basketball for quite some time, I think he did better than everyone expected. He also did good enough playing some point guard role.

                              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                              • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post

                                Heading's defense isn't in the same level as Newsome but he is obviously a better shooter than Newsome I'm actually impressed with how Heading performed in Dubai. I mean for someone who was out of competitive basketball for quite some time, I think he did better than everyone expected. He also did good enough playing some point guard role.
                                Yes he is a different player from Newsome. His best skill is outside shooting. But he is fundamentally sound everywhere else that he can a lot of things. Decent defender. Decent initiator.

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