Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[ccharmed]

The olympics require only that players are philippine passport holders. So aside from our local pinoy bigs who didnt play in the asian cup qualifiers, we can use, maybe, 4 current nba players during the oqt. Can anyone clarify the player eligibility requirements for the oqt -- which technically is above the fiba tournaments -- in july 2024? Thanks.

Btw, there should be no big issue with local/np players being replaced by proven nba talents. Iisipin naman ng "displaced player" na nba-caliber players lang ang seryosong pamalit sa kanila. Tunay na pangyabang iyan. Hindi mamasamain ng nt players iyan, at di naman mga provincial, color league players ang ipapalit sa kanila. There will also be no shortage of fiba and other tournaments where local nt candidates can sharpen their saws.

[JAMSKIE]

I imagine already Kai playing in the PBA, those Taiwanese and HK bigs are same level as Belga, Erram, Sanggalang, etc… and we saw Kai dominates them… If he plays here, he can match easily Junmar’s achievements since no one in the PBA can match his size, skills and he’s better defender than Junmar… He might average 28 pts, 16 rebs, 7 assist and 5 blocks per game in the PBA… That’s too easy for Kai…

I think PBA bigs like Belga, Tautuaa, Sanggalang, Almazan, BGR, etc. play more physical basketball than those Taiwanese bigs. Skills-wise, maybe its just about even between the PBA bigs & the Taiwanese bigs, but a difference in physicality can make a significant difference.

[Giannis34GOD]

I think PBA bigs like Belga, Tautuaa, Sanggalang, Almazan, BGR, etc. play more physical basketball than those Taiwanese bigs. Skills-wise, maybe its just about even between the PBA bigs & the Taiwanese bigs, but a difference in physicality can make a significant difference.

Yes… but Kai has more experience playing bigger than them, especially the final match of Yokohama against Chiba that has 3 world imports but Kai still doing double double … It’s a barbecue chicken for him playing against those players

[reamily]

The olympics require only that players are philippine passport holders. So aside from our local pinoy bigs who didnt play in the asian cup qualifiers, we can use, maybe, 4 current nba players during the oqt. Can anyone clarify the player eligibility requirements for the oqt -- which technically is above the fiba tournaments -- in july 2024? Thanks.

Btw, there should be no big issue with local/np players being replaced by proven nba talents. Iisipin naman ng "displaced player" na nba-caliber players lang ang seryosong pamalit sa kanila. Tunay na pangyabang iyan. Hindi mamasamain ng nt players iyan, at di naman mga provincial, color league players ang ipapalit sa kanila. There will also be no shortage of fiba and other tournaments where local nt candidates can sharpen their saws.

Theoretically who ar ethe passport players

Ron harper jr,, Jalen Green , Jordan Clarkson.. what we need is a pount guard.. Jalen's transition to pg isnt in full swing yet

[Metta]

Theoretically who ar ethe passport players

Ron harper jr,, Jalen Green , Jordan Clarkson.. what we need is a pount guard.. Jalen's transition to pg isnt in full swing yet

Assuming this is true...

For now Remy Martin, Barefield and even Brickman could audition.

[Giannis34GOD]

Assuming this is true...

For now Remy Martin, Barefield and even Brickman could audition.

I think OQT still using FIBA eligibility rules… not sure at Olympics…

[IPC]

Bakits with the Billy Manzano breakdown.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/bGeaqHbLV1zBzfay/?mibextid=jmPrMh

[zuma169]

At first I was really confused why just 12 players.. why not at least 15 players so that we could have options, whether because of injuries or bad plays or fit.. but now I get it and it is really the genius of Tim Cone... remember this is a 4 year journey.. it is not just a tournament by tournament thing.. this is a 4 YEAR THING let me emphasize that...

with only 12 players (of course there can be exemptions whether injury or really bad fit), they will learn to like each other and play with each other every single tournament.. and with that way, each player can learn and know what to do and improve on in FIBA play because they will have the opportunity to play again.. eh if we have a pool of players tapos palit ng palit every single tournament, how will you apply what you learned if next tournament you will be replaced dba? in this way, continuity talaga.. they will learn to be a team for 4 years.. pagdating ng 2027 World Cup team na team na sila of course with a much better naturalized player..

BUT, I think SBP needs to develop another team.. a much younger team with just a sprinkle or splash of veterans.. this will be the definitive TEAM B for the other tournaments of importance as well e.g. SEA Games, Jones Cup, heck even Asian Games.. this will make sure these Team B players will have the proper exposure to FIBA Play and this is where TEAM A will get the replacement if NEEDED..

iba pa ang Under 19, 17, etc age group... ibang handler and team yan... ung Team B will be Seniors pa ren just Team B..

[ccharmed]

Short of having nba players, kouame for any injured edu/ aguilar/ fajardo, and, abando/ amos for malonzo or any unavailable regular nt players, will be more than fine in battles against any top20 fiba teams.

Getting m phillips and sean alter as local younger power forwards will add both power and stability to the frontline in all fiba tournaments. Getting laput as a local and a serviceable asian battle center is also possible, as his sister really looks like a pinay, though an oversized one.

But at the end of the day, it is always about quality coaching. You get a great pinoy nt coach like cone if he has very good common sense, and refuses to be st*pid.

[reamily]

At first I was really confused why just 12 players.. why not at least 15 players so that we could have options, whether because of injuries or bad plays or fit.. but now I get it and it is really the genius of Tim Cone... remember this is a 4 year journey.. it is not just a tournament by tournament thing.. this is a 4 YEAR THING let me emphasize that...

with only 12 players (of course there can be exemptions whether injury or really bad fit), they will learn to like each other and play with each other every single tournament.. and with that way, each player can learn and know what to do and improve on in FIBA play because they will have the opportunity to play again.. eh if we have a pool of players tapos palit ng palit every single tournament, how will you apply what you learned if next tournament you will be replaced dba? in this way, continuity talaga.. they will learn to be a team for 4 years.. pagdating ng 2027 World Cup team na team na sila of course with a much better naturalized player..

BUT, I think SBP needs to develop another team.. a much younger team with just a sprinkle or splash of veterans.. this will be the definitive TEAM B for the other tournaments of importance as well e.g. SEA Games, Jones Cup, heck even Asian Games.. this will make sure these Team B players will have the proper exposure to FIBA Play and this is where TEAM A will get the replacement if NEEDED..

iba pa ang Under 19, 17, etc age group... ibang handler and team yan... ung Team B will be Seniors pa ren just Team B..

The mean core is the 12 guys the team will build into..they will plug ins but definitely just role players.(pangumpleto).

The team B will be led by Tamayo Quiambao, Kouame and the final cuts (amos). Tim already envisioned for Kai to be not available all the time..

The SGA will do their dubai thing and they will be supplanted b our top upung prospects who have no pro contract..

Believe it or not 2019-2023 windows was really for rebuilding as due to the suspension the Blatche jason Castro, Romeo, ,matthew wright, Pogoy, fajardo, Aguilar, jalalaon, Ravena(2 years) core was disbanded unexpectedly resulting on that disastrous 2019 fiba world cup..

[IPC]

At first I was really confused why just 12 players.. why not at least 15 players so that we could have options, whether because of injuries or bad plays or fit.. but now I get it and it is really the genius of Tim Cone... remember this is a 4 year journey.. it is not just a tournament by tournament thing.. this is a 4 YEAR THING let me emphasize that...

with only 12 players (of course there can be exemptions whether injury or really bad fit), they will learn to like each other and play with each other every single tournament.. and with that way, each player can learn and know what to do and improve on in FIBA play because they will have the opportunity to play again.. eh if we have a pool of players tapos palit ng palit every single tournament, how will you apply what you learned if next tournament you will be replaced dba? in this way, continuity talaga.. they will learn to be a team for 4 years.. pagdating ng 2027 World Cup team na team na sila of course with a much better naturalized player..

BUT, I think SBP needs to develop another team.. a much younger team with just a sprinkle or splash of veterans.. this will be the definitive TEAM B for the other tournaments of importance as well e.g. SEA Games, Jones Cup, heck even Asian Games.. this will make sure these Team B players will have the proper exposure to FIBA Play and this is where TEAM A will get the replacement if NEEDED..

iba pa ang Under 19, 17, etc age group... ibang handler and team yan... ung Team B will be Seniors pa ren just Team B..

mean core is the 12 guys the team will build into..they will plug ins but definitely just role or plugin players..

The team B will be led by Tamayo Quiambao, Kouame and the final cuts (amos). Tim already visioned for Kai to be not available all the time..

We will need the replacements, though. paolylo has a point in the aging players, as mentioned in his table here:

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I anticipate that JB, June Mar, and Newsome will retire next year, so we will have to find replacements for them first.

[reamily]

We will need the replacements, though. paolylo has a point in the aging players, as mentioned in his table here:

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I anticipate that JB, June Mar, and Newsome will retire next year, so we will have to find replacements for them first.

big man rotation is stacked aleady..and even JB replacement will eat big minutes

We will see by end 0f 2025..I still see Thompson being replaced first than newsome.. malonzo... you know..

The age of the three guys you mentioned makes it easier for them to be replaced by 3 new guys or maybe just 2 role players (as naturalized player will always be a centerpiece)

[IPC]

Balikan ko lang 'to, I'm not done with you.



FFS, just so you know... we're back on a regular calendar when events like the Olympics (after the OQT, SBP won't care about it unless Gilas pulls off a miracle, but it's this late July), SEA Games (Dec 2025), and Asian Games (Sept 2026) won't be postponed a year and are back to coincide with the the FIBA calendar (from Feb this year to the end of the FIBA World Cup in mid-Sept 2027 since the WC starts Aug 2027) with every other league where a Gilas core member plays. Fortunately, the hope is that Gilas still gets all the FIBA ineligibles to mix a few more rounds of one-week trainings for the SEA Games and Asian Games (kilala mo ba mga tinutukoy ko?) Obviously I know it's Day 2 and we're technically in the first month, but do you even know what the hell does the word CORE mean? O pati yan, tatagalugin ko pa sa'yo?

	AGE FEB '24	AGE BY DEC '25	AGE BY SEPT '26	AGE BY AUG '27
AGUILAR	37	38	39	40
BROWNLEE	35	37	38	39
FAJARDO	34	36	36	37
NEWSOME	33	35	35	37
THOMPSON	30	32	33	34
PEREZ	30	32	32	33
OFTANA	28	29	30	31
MALONZO	27	29	29	30
RAMOS	25	27	28	28
EDU	24	25	26	27
TAMAYO	23	24	25	26
QUIAMBAO	22	24	25	26
SOTTO	21	23	24	25

This is a very good team now because that's THE CORE in FEB '24 that comprises of AN ENTIRE TEAM for the OQT. This first window alone... no Edu, no JMF, no Malonzo for 1 game... and they only brought in Japeth. Based on the two games, they're a JB and Kai injury-away from looking like mediocre team. They don't have another world class shot creator not named Jordan Clarkson and until Edu or JMF are 100% (they never are), they don't have another big who can protect the rim and score inside. That's just in 2024 and maybe until the actual FIBA Asia Cup in August 2025. How about World Cup Qualifying that will definitely take place in between all those rows? Hindi mo pa rin ba gets? The way the core is setup, they will not wait for new players to be plugged-in unless they play for Ginebra or get invited by Tim Cone. This is and will be our national team in 3 and a half years whether we like it or not.

Hindi ko pinapangunahan ang team, but you have to be as stupid as a 47-year old Jaworksi subbing himself in to guard John Best then get dunked the fuck on to be unable to see where this team is headed when the SBP insisted that the CORE OF THE TEAM IS AN ENTIRE TEAM. They're already giving every coach in Asia and even the world at least 3 years worth of data to scout the Philippines as well. I'm already expecting another PBA Special Gilas Draft complete with Special Conference that will surely favor the usual PBA teams once the B.League players decide to come back home when the SBP finds itself unable to keep the core together.

I'll have to agree with the point that JB and Kai are keystones to the core, I'd like to add AJ to that too. We lose Kai, we lose a center who can catch lobs, score inside, and deter shots. We lose AJ, we lose a versatile defensive anchor. We lose JB, we lose a go-to guy and a defensive anchor. We lose two or maybe even one of them, the system falls apart on one end or the other. Likely that we'll lose JB to retirement early (I just think, a).

We'll need a backup center, a go-to guy, and a backup NP that can both score and help out defensively (can fill the role of backup defensive anchor and/or center and/or go-to guy), just so we can mitigate the impact of the loss of JB or AJ or even Kai without having to unretire Japeth. That's especially true since Japeth, JB, and June Mar are old.

In addition to the previously-mentioned Japeth, JB, and June Mar, Newsome will hit 34 this July, and will be 35 by next year's Asia Cup. We will need a succession plan for these guys mentioned. Reserve pool, kamo.

[ARMIR]

I'll have to agree with the point that JB and Kai are keystones to the core, I'd like to add AJ to that too. We lose Kai, we lose a center who can catch lobs, score inside, and deter shots. We lose AJ, we lose a versatile defensive anchor. We lose JB, we lose a go-to guy and a defensive anchor. We lose two or maybe even one of them, the system falls apart on one end or the other. Likely that we'll lose JB to retirement early (I just think, a).

We'll need a backup center, a go-to guy, and a backup NP that can both score and help out defensively (can fill the role of backup defensive anchor and/or center and/or go-to guy), just so we can mitigate the impact of the loss of JB or AJ or even Kai without having to unretire Japeth. That's especially true since Japeth, JB, and June Mar are old.

In addition to the previously-mentioned Japeth, JB, and June Mar, Newsome will hit 34 this July, and will be 35 by next year's Asia Cup. We will need a succession plan for these guys mentioned. Reserve pool, kamo.

Gilas already have a backup center,that can both and defend at the same time,the underrated Ange Kouame,he proved at the last Asian Games,in his games in Europe/France he's showing versatility at both ends of the court even with against a higher skilled league than any of the locals or Filfors.

[Rds]

Gilas already have a backup center,that can both and defend at the same time,the underrated Ange Kouame,he proved at the last Asian Games,in his games in Europe/France he's showing versatility at both ends of the court even with against a higher skilled league than any of the locals or Filfors.

We will see against better comp if a Kai, JB frontline is good enough defensively. Kai was abused by Al Dwairi before. We’ll see if he has improved against better comp. If Kai and JB can’t do it then SMC/SBP have to seriously consider Kouame as NP.