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  • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
    We need a naturalized player that can do it all... Let's be honest, If you are the coach of a basketball team, either PRO club or national team, What import do you want to have a chance to win more games? Nothing wrong tapping role player type of import, If we have local players who can play like an import, such as Dennis Schroder, Rui Hachimura or Luka Doncic... We don't have that, so tapping NP who can do it all is what doctor needs...
    Pero at the same time, that NP has to be able to anchor our defense at the 4 or 5, which we don't have without AJ.

    As I said, Kai and June Mar are not good defenders. We need someone who can help them so they aren't being attacked all the time. Sir Rds said it, we were giving up too many good looks with June Mar on the floor. We have to find someone who can minimize that. Like I said, I don't want a game where the opponent shoots 50-70% and we're down by 15 to 40 points (remember the poor defense from 2017 to 2019?; SoKor 2017, 2019 WC blowouts).

    Pero if we're not going for a defensive anchor, we need shooters who can light it up. Cone prefers defense, so we need defenders. AJ, Navarro, Dwight, Newsome, and if exempted, Mike Phillips.

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    • Originally posted by IPC View Post

      Pero at the same time, that NP has to be able to anchor our defense at the 4 or 5, which we don't have without AJ.

      As I said, Kai and June Mar are not good defenders. We need someone who can help them so they aren't being attacked all the time. Sir Rds said it, we were giving up too many good looks with June Mar on the floor. We have to find someone who can minimize that. Like I said, I don't want a game where the opponent shoots 50-70% and we're down by 15 to 40 points (remember the poor defense from 2017 to 2019?; SoKor 2017, 2019 WC blowouts).

      Pero if we're not going for a defensive anchor, we need shooters who can light it up. Cone prefers defense, so we need defenders. AJ, Navarro, Dwight, Newsome, and if exempted, Mike Phillips.
      Unfortunately, Ange is not a local player, If we tap Ange, who will carry scoring load for Gilas, especially in crucial situations? Brownlee gave us how it's done... Clarkson did that too, especially vs China... Brownlee can defend too... sometimes JC too... Ange has to improve his offensive skills, If he want to be consider as 1st option for CTC...

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      • a naturalized player doesn’t need to be a go to scorer.. still pinoy fans are too foreign about a do it all Naturalized player to naturalized role player.. Cone just doesn’t know how to use ange the way tab uses him..
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        • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post
          Unfortunately, Ange is not a local player, If we tap Ange, who will carry scoring load for Gilas, especially in crucial situations? Brownlee gave us how it's done... Clarkson did that too, especially vs China... Brownlee can defend too... sometimes JC too... Ange has to improve his offensive skills, If he want to be consider as 1st option for CTC...
          Here's the thing with JC. We had AJ in the lineup to cover for our guys and anchor the defense, so less need for a defensive anchor.

          As for JB, I'm very well aware of his defense. Better defender at 5 than June Mar in the game against Jordan.

          But we're digressing here. In the comment you're replying to, I said that if we want a go-to guy, make sure that he can anchor the defense, aka another Brownlee or Douthit, so as to not bleed points every other possession.

          Also, when we had a poor defense, we didn't go very far (2017 and 2021 FIBA Asia Cups). Our best recent finishes had good defenses behind them (2013 and 2015 FIBA Asia silvers, 2022 Asiad gold).

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          • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

            That's why PBA misses the opportunity to help Ange's case for exemption... Now Kouame plays overseas, Is he have atleast little chance of getting exempted? But to be fair, any country wants to have their naturalized player ala "superhuman" type... Look what Jordan tapped? RHJ, A do it all NP for them, Indonesia tapped Bolden, An A tier type of NP, even Spain tapped great scorer and PG Lorenzo Brown... If i were federation, Why i will tap a NP but a role player type? Unless we have many great local players, who can match up against world's elite players such as Germany, Serbia or Canada... Even USA tapped Joel Embiid, even they have lots of talented players...
            Mike Tobey, Thybulle, hawkinson, kyle anderson are role players for their respective adoptive country
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            • Originally posted by IPC View Post

              Here's the thing with JC. We had AJ in the lineup to cover for our guys and anchor the defense, so less need for a defensive anchor.

              As for JB, I'm very well aware of his defense. Better defender at 5 than June Mar in the game against Jordan.

              But we're digressing here. In the comment you're replying to, I said that if we want a go-to guy, make sure that he can anchor the defense, aka another Brownlee or Douthit, so as to not bleed points every other possession.

              Also, when we had a poor defense, we didn't go very far (2017 and 2021 FIBA Asia Cups). Our best recent finishes had good defenses behind them (2013 and 2015 FIBA Asia silvers, 2022 Asiad gold).
              That's why it will be a challenge for Ange to improve his offense, especially how to take over the game, In able to be consider... Local exemption is already slim to none for him, since he didn't continue his residency requirements need by FIBA... We hope that Kai will improve his defense under CTC term, since AJ is not always healthy most of the games and Junmar is already on his twilight of his legendary career.. Because whether we like it or not, we are banking on him right now at the center position...

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              • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

                That's why it will be a challenge for Ange to improve his offense, especially how to take over the game, In able to be consider... Local exemption is already slim to none for him, since he didn't continue his residency requirements need by FIBA... We hope that Kai will improve his defense under CTC term, since AJ is not always healthy most of the games and Junmar is already on his twilight of his legendary career.. Because whether we like it or not, we are banking on him right now at the center position...
                The more you really need Ange to cover Kai up..
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                • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post

                  Mike Tobey, Thybulle, hawkinson, kyle anderson are role players for their respective adoptive country
                  But they have local players who can take over the game and can play better than their naturalized players... Are we have the likes of Rui/Yuta, Luka, Schroder, or even Arakji type of local player right now? The nearest right now is Ramos, but Ramos is as good as no.2 option only... He's not type of guy that we can considered atleast Arakji level type of local scorer....

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                  • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

                    But they have local players who can take over the game and can play better than their naturalized players... Are we have the likes of Rui/Yuta, Luka, Schroder, or even Arakji type of local player right now? The nearest right now is Ramos, but Ramos is as good as no.2 option only... He's not type of guy that we can considered atleast Arakji level type of local scorer....
                    we have some.. cone just didn’t select them..

                    the tab team doesn’t have go to scorer either and yet we beat koreans twice and we nearly beat serbia by having ange as NP.
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                    • Originally posted by Sikatrix View Post

                      We needed both to be honest. But Brownlee was probably more important since the offense revolves around him and the modern game is biased towards great offenses.
                      Yes we needed both. But if you want a preview of how we will play with JB but without Kouame or AJ just look at the Asian games and see how our defense was when Kouame sat. Even JB had a hard time banging bodies against bigger players. We were routinely outscored without Kouame even if JB carried our offense. We still have a lot of time. But I think eventually without AJ we will need Kouame’s defense more than JB’s offense.

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                      • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post

                        The more you really need Ange to cover Kai up..
                        Yes, but Kai have to do it on his own... I think CTC already think of that... Kai, when healthy, can do the way Ange did, especially the 4th window game vs Lebanon, he is anchor on defensive end, against the reigning FIBA Asia silver medalist... Even Arakji have a hard time driving vs Kai... As we love to have Ange, we have to move on and trust our local bigs... If Ange was local player, No question about it, Ange is a lock for Gilas forever... PBA is to blamed not to help Ange possible local exemption case for allow him to play in the PBA as a local.. If we pick Ange as no.1 option for NP, who will be our go to guy for scoring at the end game? None of those current picked by CTC can take over scoring when needed the most...

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                        • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

                          Yes, but Kai have to do it on his own... I think CTC already think of that... Kai, when healthy, can do the way Ange did, especially the 4th window game vs Lebanon, he is anchor on defensive end, against the reigning FIBA Asia silver medalist... Even Arakji have a hard time driving vs Kai... As we love to have Ange, we have to move on and trust our local bigs... If Ange was local player, No question about it, Ange is a lock for Gilas forever... PBA is to blamed not to help Ange possible local exemption case for allow him to play in the PBA as a local.. If we pick Ange as no.1 option for NP, who will be our go to guy for scoring at the end game? None of those current picked by CTC can take over scoring when needed the most...
                          theirs a reason kai has limited minutes due to his defensive woes.. without aj and ange? good luck with that.. need someone to cover kai and abai’s defensive woes.. cone plans to use abai and kai together? both of them has defensive issues. good luck with that..
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                          • Originally posted by Silent Killer View Post

                            we have some.. cone just didn’t select them..

                            the tab team doesn’t have go to scorer either and yet we beat koreans twice and we nearly beat serbia by having ange as NP.
                            Then who? RJ? He is a very good PG, But he's not on even Kawamura's level... Heading? He's just only a shooter, can score but a go to guy? Not even Arakji's level... We beat Koreans, but they are already in their rebuilding mode... Look at their FIBA rankings, they even lose to Iran's developmental team and Japan's team B team.. Korea is not a threat anymore... This current CTC team will beat Korea right now... Serbia? Yes, but what happened in the crunch time? They badly needed scorer in final 2 minutes of the game and they fumbled... As we love Ange, FIBA eligibility rules didn't allowed it... And if we picked Ange, who will be our no.1 scorer there?

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                            • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

                              Then who? RJ? He is a very good PG, But he's not on even Kawamura's level... Heading? He's just only a shooter, can score but a go to guy? Not even Arakji's level... We beat Koreans, but they are already in their rebuilding mode... Look at their FIBA rankings, they even lose to Iran's developmental team and Japan's team B team.. Korea is not a threat anymore... This current CTC team will beat Korea right now... Serbia? Yes, but what happened in the crunch time? They badly needed scorer in final 2 minutes of the game and they fumbled... As we love Ange, FIBA eligibility rules didn't allowed it... And if we picked Ange, who will be our no.1 scorer there?
                              bolick, kiefer, rjay..
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                              • Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View Post

                                Then who? RJ? He is a very good PG, But he's not on even Kawamura's level... Heading? He's just only a shooter, can score but a go to guy? Not even Arakji's level... We beat Koreans, but they are already in their rebuilding mode... Look at their FIBA rankings, they even lose to Iran's developmental team and Japan's team B team.. Korea is not a threat anymore... This current CTC team will beat Korea right now... Serbia? Yes, but what happened in the crunch time? They badly needed scorer in final 2 minutes of the game and they fumbled... As we love Ange, FIBA eligibility rules didn't allowed it... And if we picked Ange, who will be our no.1 scorer there?
                                I'd rank Bolick above all our eligible PGs. Yes even above Scottie. Don't care what BS reason why he isn't invited again this time. We were always clamoring for a tall PG, the guy is 6'1 and as tall as some of our wings and has been an MVP candidate ever since he was drafted.

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