Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Metta]

Agree with U bro. Wright also seems hesitant to take 3's in the FIBA game especially if he's not that open. Parang kailangan he is wide open from 3 for him to take the shot. Unlike with Jordan Heading na pag napasahan sa corner 3 eh automatic titira na without any hesitation.

It's the classic case of blessing/curse of having better handles. Wright is the better ball-handler and goes through more options in his head while Heading will just look to shoot. Heading is also conditioned to do more of the other things because he doesn't really handle the ball and create.

[thatweirdguy]

It's wild that when I said that KQ can be a 3 about a year ago, so many were critical saying he's just an undersized big who can't even shoot. Now people see his potential even as a 2.

I think it would depend on what his optimal playing weight is. He can test if he will be more effective if he gets a bit leaner as a 2. But I think, as is, he is best suited as a 3 to better utilize his passing. I prefer 2s as the designated shoot-first type.

But again, this is on the offensive side, things have changed. If we can have 2 or more gilas-level players of his versatility then we can truly have a dynamic position-less lineup.

I honestly want to test him against higher level competition and make him play exclusively in the perimeter. His build is interesting and I still see a lot of room for growth because of his work ethic. Hays if only all our prospects have the same mentality.

[bluenote49]

Hopefully he does make the transition to 3/2. At 6'5", he needs to play more on the perimeter. And credit to his work ethic.

It's wild that when I said that KQ can be a 3 about a year ago, so many were critical saying he's just an undersized big who can't even shoot. Now people see his potential even as a 2.

I think it would depend on what his optimal playing weight is. He can test if he will be more effective if he gets a bit leaner as a 2. But I think, as is, he is best suited as a 3 to better utilize his passing. I prefer 2s as the designated shoot-first type.

But again, this is on the offensive side, things have changed. If we can have 2 or more gilas-level players of his versatility then we can truly have a dynamic position-less lineup.

More than the position played, I think the "skillset" is what matters for our tall players. To compete at a high level in global basketball competitions, our big players need to develop the ability to dribble and shoot from the outside with proficiency, much like we see in the NBA 7 foot tall players.

[IPC]

More than the position played, I think the "skillset" is what matters for our tall players. To compete at a high level in global basketball competitions, our big players need to develop the ability to dribble and shoot from the outside with proficiency, much like we see in the NBA 7 foot tall players.

Not just that. Our players measuring 6'7" and below must develop the ability to defend the perimeter. We can't have too many players that are too small inside, and too slow outside.

[hmbopbaduwap]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/cone-the-next-coach-should-fit-sbp-s-team-program-a795-20240120?ref=home_featured_big

He expressed that the coach of Gilas is just one component in a multi-faceted endeavor involving the development of a comprehensive national team program.

“My opinion is, you need the best players in the country to represent you and you have to figure out a way to get the stakeholders to allow you to get the best players in the country, including the PBA, Japan, Korea, and allow them to give you the time to work with these guys. You have to figure out a program that would allow you to do that. It’s not that simple. It’s not a simple way,” said Cone.

“The other way is to get a bunch of young players, like what we’ve done in the past, try to groom them, practice them everyday, send them out for practice games, and let them grow for a number of years.

"But two things in my mind, you are not sending your best players and can you keep the young guys together for a long time? We’ve proven over and over again that the young guys want to grow and do other things. It’s going to be hard to keep a team for four, five years,” Cone added.

“Decide on how you want to do it. If anybody else have other ideas, I’m sure the SBP is willing to talk about it,” said Cone.

[IPC]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/...e_featured_big

He expressed that the coach of Gilas is just one component in a multi-faceted endeavor involving the development of a comprehensive national team program.

“My opinion is, you need the best players in the country to represent you and you have to figure out a way to get the stakeholders to allow you to get the best players in the country, including the PBA, Japan, Korea, and allow them to give you the time to work with these guys. You have to figure out a program that would allow you to do that. It’s not that simple. It’s not a simple way,” said Cone.

“The other way is to get a bunch of young players, like what we’ve done in the past, try to groom them, practice them everyday, send them out for practice games, and let them grow for a number of years.

"But two things in my mind, you are not sending your best players and can you keep the young guys together for a long time? We’ve proven over and over again that the young guys want to grow and do other things. It’s going to be hard to keep a team for four, five years,” Cone added.

“Decide on how you want to do it. If anybody else have other ideas, I’m sure the SBP is willing to talk about it,” said Cone.

Good point about keeping guys together. Yes, Cone was talking about young guys, but it's important that we have a team that will stay together for a long time (and for this case, until 2028). We need a core that can win and that can stay together, and capably play together, which is why we must look at age when considering a core.

But still, we need a coach who can really commit to the program. And separate the coach and program director, as Homer said to Noli Eala in Power and Play.

At least Cone mentioned the other Asian countries as well as the PBA. It better be, because core options can come from there, as they have a mix of youth and ability.

[ARMIR]

Good point about keeping guys together. Yes, Cone was talking about young guys, but it's important that we have a team that will stay together for a long time (and for this case, until 2028). We need a core that can win and that can stay together, and capably play together, which is why we must look at age when considering a core.

But still, we need a coach who can really commit to the program. And separate the coach and program director, as Homer said to Noli Eala in Power and Play.

At least Cone mentioned the other Asian countries as well as the PBA. It better be, because core options can come from there, as they have a mix of youth and ability.

The HC doesn't have the final say in building the team,the manager will have a majority say,as much as he talks about young players getting involved,we all know that this sport somehow will have some political move behind the scenes.

[JAMSKIE]

It's wild that when I said that KQ can be a 3 about a year ago, so many were critical saying he's just an undersized big who can't even shoot. Now people see his potential even as a 2.

I think it would depend on what his optimal playing weight is. He can test if he will be more effective if he gets a bit leaner as a 2. But I think, as is, he is best suited as a 3 to better utilize his passing. I prefer 2s as the designated shoot-first type.

But again, this is on the offensive side, things have changed. If we can have 2 or more gilas-level players of his versatility then we can truly have a dynamic position-less lineup.

Makes me wonder, who is Quiambao's skills coach/trainer who helped him become this good, especially his outside shooting?

[JAMSKIE]

Good point about keeping guys together. Yes, Cone was talking about young guys, but it's important that we have a team that will stay together for a long time (and for this case, until 2028). We need a core that can win and that can stay together, and capably play together, which is why we must look at age when considering a core.

But still, we need a coach who can really commit to the program. And separate the coach and program director, as Homer said to Noli Eala in Power and Play.

At least Cone mentioned the other Asian countries as well as the PBA. It better be, because core options can come from there, as they have a mix of youth and ability.

My take is, if you got a core of 10 to 12 players who will be regular fixtures of Gilas team in a 4 to 5-year cycle, then that's when you really developed a very cohesive & competitive national team.

I actually don't like the idea of having too many players in the national pool (say 30 or more). For me, the ideal No. of national team pool is around 20 to 24. Having too many players in the pool will have a negative effect on cohesion or chemistry.

[Metta]

Makes me wonder, who is Quiambao's skills coach/trainer who helped him become this good, especially his outside shooting?

For me, he's always had a good shooting form. It was just a matter of taking more shots. And his confidence (which is vital in shooting) is just going higher and higher with what he's been achieving recently.

I commend his skills coach growing up, the things we're seeing now started way back. Now it's more of him being allowed to show it, especially the perimeter skills.

[IPC]

My take is, if you got a core of 10 to 12 players who will be regular fixtures of Gilas team in a 4 to 5-year cycle, then that's when you really developed a very cohesive & competitive national team.

I actually don't like the idea of having too many players in the national pool (say 30 or more). For me, the ideal No. of national team pool is around 20 to 24. Having too many players in the pool will have a negative effect on cohesion or chemistry.

By then, you don't need that much training time for windows and tournaments proper. You need 1-2 weeks for windows, and 1-2 months for tournaments proper with a cohesive team.

[Metta]

Fiba world cup champion Germany required a 3-year commitment from its players. They accomplished that even with nba players. And that type of preparation is now bearing fruit. Let's learn from other countries how they do it.

Another advantage of having a core of young players train together is that even if years down the road and they play somewhere else, you would already have built chemistry, familiarity and camaraderie between them. Once they've had a good amount of time together, for future tournaments you don't have to build from scratch those important things anymore so preparation time can be shorter.

[JAMSKIE]

By then, you don't need that much training time for windows and tournaments proper. You need 1-2 weeks for windows, and 1-2 months for tournaments proper with a cohesive team.

Yeah, exactly. That's what continuity is all about. Hindi yung paiba-iba yung mga national team players natin & paiba-iba or papalit ang head coaches.

[BJ_Reloaded]

On some degree, I agree on Sir Jamskie's idea about having a pool of 20 to 24 players for 4 to 5 years cycle to avoid compromising the chemistry and cohesion for that specific time frame..that narrative is all about the Senior Mens Team.

But we all know the basketball program was not all about Mens squad..we also need to prepare for our U16 and U18 program as well both for boys and girls.

with the advent of social media nowadays scouting for a potential younglings are not that challenging anymore especially if people behind it are very much in the virtual world 24/7.

that is why there's a U12, U14, U16 and U18 tournaments all over especially now that theirs no more restrictions therefore people had the opportunity to do things freely compared to 2 to 3 years ago.

the thing here is, we haven't won any medals yet for the past 2 decades(?) in the youth division esp. in the girls division sadly wala pa eh.

for me personally, the ideal is to group together the whole level and come up with a single program from the grassroot level up to the Senior level and that will bring a much bigger pool of players.

i know budget will be a very big challenge on this but I think with those 2 empire, I think the NSA's budget will be more competitive compared to the much higher ranked teams as of the moment..

I always think big...libre lang mangarap.

[IPC]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/...e_featured_big

He expressed that the coach of Gilas is just one component in a multi-faceted endeavor involving the development of a comprehensive national team program.

“My opinion is, you need the best players in the country to represent you and you have to figure out a way to get the stakeholders to allow you to get the best players in the country, including the PBA, Japan, Korea, and allow them to give you the time to work with these guys. You have to figure out a program that would allow you to do that. It’s not that simple. It’s not a simple way,” said Cone.

“The other way is to get a bunch of young players, like what we’ve done in the past, try to groom them, practice them everyday, send them out for practice games, and let them grow for a number of years.

"But two things in my mind, you are not sending your best players and can you keep the young guys together for a long time? We’ve proven over and over again that the young guys want to grow and do other things. It’s going to be hard to keep a team for four, five years,” Cone added.

“Decide on how you want to do it. If anybody else have other ideas, I’m sure the SBP is willing to talk about it,” said Cone.

The funny thing is aside from Brownlee, the players that contributed most to the Asiad gold is not with SMC. Without Kouame we would not have won. For the locals it was Newsome who was most instrumental in the gold medal game. The SMC players are not the best international players in their position. Junemar is best as a backup now. We will lose if he is the best center in the team. Scottie is still not our best PG, it is Bollick. CJ is not the best SG. Malonzo is good but he is a tweener. Dwight is still our best SF. At PF Jamie is a bit small.

I dont think Al Chua has any illusions that he can win with mostly SMC players.

Tying this up together, here's who I think are currently the best players in the country per position, in order:

Guards: JC (NP), Parks, Bolick, Newsome, Scottie, Terrence, RJ/SJ, Heading, Perez
Wings: Brownlee (NP), Dwight, Navarro, Oftana, Abueva, Thirdy, Malonzo
Tweeners: Tamayo/Quiambao, Baltazar, M. Amos
Bigs: AJ, Ange (NP), Kai/June Mar

Worry ko lang kasi, with these guys in management, they might get the thought that the best are in the PBA without regard to roster balance and all that. That thought when the best FIBA-eligible guard, wing, tweener, and big are not even in the PBA. Most of the best of the PBA are good support pieces, not really the main pieces of Gilas. Castro and Terrence were great main pieces, but Castro's old, and Terrence hasn't played for Gilas since the brawl with Aussie.