Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[mathematicianrcg]

Grabe and we still have a lot of potential players and factors to look into, like PBA players, Clarkson's eligibility, Kouame's possible exception, Tuffin, Edu's recovery, Panopio, Paras and etc. It is very exciting to see how everything will play out in the end. One thing is for sure, we will be a competitive team in 2023, but the question is, how far can we go and how will we look by then?

for me, the permanent core would be:

Kai
AJ
Rayray
JC
Dwight
Tamayo
Baltazar

i believe the should be the ones considered shoo-ins. The other 5 roster spots. It will be batted over. We have a lot of candidates Internationally, college and also some in the pba.

[DAdmiral]

you prefer Kouame than JC as NP?

Not necessarily for 2023, but i think for the current 2022 Kouame would be the default (defensive anchor) , especially if Parks ( a JC fill in is available), note as well we are still uncertain if AJ is healthy ( Ange role) and if Kai is ready defensively as a main rim protector for 35 min.

If Jordan comes in , he replaces Jordan

[IPC]

Gilas needs to play as guests in the PBA to build some toughness especially the guards. Prep na rin nila against Middle Eastern team, Australia and New Zealand.

Those MENA teams in the King's Cup were a taste of the physicality this young Gilas team has to go through. They have upside, but yeah, they will need to be tougher, physically and mentally. PBA games will help build it, with their physicality.

They will need to make their shots, though. Yes, with the way Pinoy basketball team defenses are structured, they'll be left open from outside, but they'll have to make their shots.

[PaVi]

For me, the best chance for Gilas as of current, is to join the import conference (governor's) because the imports taken are usually SFs to Off guards, plus PBAs strength is at the guard position. So this will be a good test for Gilas.

To make it a bearing game for all, FIBA rules should apply, and Gilas will have to play all teams for 19 whole days (every other day game), to mimic tournament plays.

Ofcourse, all games will add up to each teams respective win loss record.

[JAMSKIE]

Grabe and we still have a lot of potential players and factors to look into, like PBA players, Clarkson's eligibility, Kouame's possible exception, Tuffin, Edu's recovery, Panopio, Paras and etc. It is very exciting to see how everything will play out in the end. One thing is for sure, we will be a competitive team in 2023, but the question is, how far can we go and how will we look by then?

If only things will go our favor. The current Gilas program headed by coach Tab is the very foundation of our hope in 2023 & beyond and that's something SBP & MVP are in control of. Other things like the possibility of Clarkson playing for us in 2023 World Cup and PBA players reinforcing Gilas with sufficient period of time of training with Gilas, are things that SBP & MVP group aren't in control of.

[live_evil]

If only things will go our favor. The current Gilas program headed by coach Tab is the very foundation of our hope in 2023 & beyond and that's something SBP & MVP are in control of. Other things like the possibility of Clarkson playing for us in 2023 World Cup and PBA players reinforcing Gilas with sufficient period of time of training with Gilas, are things that SBP & MVP group aren't in control of.

so better accomplish things that sbp is in control of like locking fil-foreign prospects asap. those who went of their way to get their phil passports should be attended to immediately (harris, Femi edu, mahmooud, and company)

[Stevy]

If only things will go our favor. The current Gilas program headed by coach Tab is the very foundation of our hope in 2023 & beyond and that's something SBP & MVP are in control of. Other things like the possibility of Clarkson playing for us in 2023 World Cup and PBA players reinforcing Gilas with sufficient period of time of training with Gilas, are things that SBP & MVP group aren't in control of.

To be as competitive as possible in 2023, if we can't get an exception for Clarkson or Koaume as locals, then we must at least enlist a few capable PBA players to raise our level. As much as I dislike the PBA and their ways, we do need their cooperation beyond the PBA Gilas draft to compose the best team possible. Hopefully, even a few of these guys can commit to us with the sufficient time needed to be successful.

They need to join this year, even just bubble training, because Tab said that he would have a core by next year, meaning players that did not have any bubble training will be less likely to be able to join, aside from a few exceptional talents like JC. The Gomez brothers, Rangel, Bulanadi and others are safe from this since they have already earned their stripes and some have even played in games. I think 2022 would be the deadline because once we enter the 5th window/November 2022, I think we will have a core by then. All of our overseas/local players must join as much as possible.

so better accomplish things that sbp is in control of like locking fil-foreign prospects asap. those who went of their way to get their phil passports should be attended to immediately (harris, Femi edu, mahmooud, and company)

Exactly, I don't care if our 2nd/3rd tier future prospects/talent will play in the PBA, as long as our future top tier talents like our Tamayos, Baltazars, Ramoses, Ravenas, Sottos, etc will be playing overseas or in NCAA Division 1. Beyond 2023, we need our best talents to be able to play for us, and if some of them end up in the PBA, at least an independent or MVP team can have them, so they can still be able to play for us. We don't want a repeat of Gilas 1. Most of those guys never wore a Gilas jersey ever again, and if they did, it was not as much as we liked.

[IPC]

South Sudan eliminated Kenya 60-58

Kenya is one of the shortest teams in this tourney but South Sudan, long and tall, cannot put them away easily. Kenya battled from 20 points down at the half, to cut the deficit to 60-58 with about 2 and half minutes or so. Both teams went cold in thereon. Kenya has at least 4 possessions to tie or get the lead in the final 2 minutes. But they either miss or turned the ball over. Kenya even has the last possession but the last second 3 point attempt just wont drop.


Observations:
-Kenya is far from being the most talented squad but they offset that with their defense and hustle points. Credit head coach Liz Mills.
-Both teams don't shoot well from the outside, and from the stripe. The shooting mechanics of the big guys are, well, ugly. The most skilled players, like the Asians, are the guards and the smaller guys.

A similarity to Gilas is that we win with our defense as well. When we defend well against Asian powerhouses, we usually win.

[mathematicianrcg]

A similarity to Gilas is that we win with our defense as well. When we defend well against Asian powerhouses, we usually win.

Nothing new, we can't afford to just change baskets with korea, japan, china, (aus and nz if u consider). They have better scorers imo so far. But we can defend them thru coach tab schemes.

OFF TOPIC

Looks like the weakness of korea has been exposed and validated. They cannot handle quality bigs opponent. Yao, Hadaddi, Kai/Kouame gave them losses.

[reamily]

Nothing new, we can't afford to just change baskets with korea, japan, china, (aus and nz if u consider). They have better scorers imo so far. But we can defend them thru coach tab schemes.

OFF TOPIC

Looks like the weakness of korea has been exposed and validated. They cannot handle quality bigs opponent. Yao, Hadaddi, Kai/Kouame gave them losses.

Its a known weakness noon pa but they havebtheir greatest victories at expense of yao ming, at expense of haddadi.. If gilas we romanticize beating korea.. in kore.. they romanticize asian games victoties as China will not allow them to host a Fiba asia tournament

[IPC]

A similarity to Gilas is that we win with our defense as well. When we defend well against Asian powerhouses, we usually win.

Problema na lang natin, offense. We lacked a reliable shot creator/scorer, whether from the perimeter or the post, and this was particularly emphasized in the King's Cup.

I see Juan, Kai, and probably Tamayo as the best candidates for resident shot creator.

[IPC]

Let me add Cholo Anonuevo to the 6-3/6-4 shooting guard prospects.

Hopefully with him back, he makes his senior team debut sooner rather than later. He has a chance against SoKor.

[JAMSKIE]

Hopefully with him back, he makes his senior team debut sooner rather than later. He has a chance against SoKor.

Cholo's best chance would be in the 2nd window when the college players of Gilas won't be available.

[IPC]

If we win with defense, might as well make it an identity. Not just toughness and physicality, but also good rotations. I hope we can harness our kids' hustle so that we could build an excellent defensive team.

If SoKor's identity is shooting and ball movement, I think our identity should be a defensive team. Our best successes come when we are a good defensive team, exemplified by 2013-2015.

Very much agree. The China team in the 2015 FIBA Asia Championship was anchored on defense. That was the best defensive team I've seen so far in Asian basketball. Even during stretches that the Chinese were struggling in offense vs. Iran (semis) & Gilas (finals), parang confident sila that they won't lose the momentum becoz their defense can hold on.

That final was a defensive game, but moreso for China, apatr from the dodgy officiating. We struggled on offense, yes, but to our credit, we made them struggle as well.

That Gilas team was also good defensively, despite us not fielding our best players. I hope Tab brings that defensive identity back (which he is), and that he turns Gilas into a defensive powerhouse in Asia.

[JAMSKIE]

That final was a defensive game, but moreso for China, apatr from the dodgy officiating. We struggled on offense, yes, but to our credit, we made them struggle as well.

That Gilas team was also good defensively, despite us not fielding our best players. I hope Tab brings that defensive identity back (which he is), and that he turns Gilas into a defensive powerhouse in Asia.

I think China surprised Iran in the semis with the former's tenacious & physical defense. Watching that semis game, aware na tayo on how China will play us in the finals except for us that we didn't expect that China would resort to some cheap shots even before the start of the finals game.