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Originally posted by IPC View Post
This is honestly what I like about Beda, and Ateneo as well. UP's team this season turned me off (the team as a whole, I still like some players), but they've done this with Lucero, Torculas, and hopefully Belmonte. La Salle has done this with Abadam and hopefully Policarpio. They're having tall, lanky, mobile guys to play the 3, especially if they have perimeter skills, even if they're lined up at 4.
As for Oftana, yes, he was lucky to get to Beda, and then translated that perimeter skill to Tab's Gilas and Yeng's NLEX. And then Pogoy's health situation, and Mikey's contract situation. Buti na lang, that arrested and reversed his regression in TNT, and he shined again. TNT until recently has had a poor track record of development.
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Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View PostBut if you a young stud.. Just focus first on your development first before thinking big money... They are too young to be greed for money... Their profession is to be basketball player, So what is the first priority? If they want big money then prefer to be businessman than to be a basketball player... Playing time is the most important aspect to start your basketball career.. I know we should earn it first, But i know Tamayo is a hardworking person, Why until now he didn't get chance to prove himself? One poster said look at Carino, Yes... Look at him, he was benched in his Japan stint, He learned his lesson, Go back to PBA and earn his minutes.. He has good quality minutes in the PBA now... Even Christian David, Ricci and Javi having good quality minutes in the PBA, All of them was benched overseas... Here in the PBA, they will get minutes, They will be prioritize, they will be develop.. Nevermind the internal problems inside the PBA, But PBA is best way to start your PBA career.. If you are good, foreign leagues will try to tap you by the way...Originally posted by IPC View PostThat poster was me on Carino. He developed in Japan, and him making a good impact in the PBA showed. Didn't necessarily get minutes there, but as Metta said, you can still develop even if you're not getting PT.
How can we be sure that the league will commit to the national team from this point on? As in give ample preparation time for the players, especially before tournaments. That's why I'm in favor of players going abroad. When the PBA is surely committed, then I can be OK with our best youngsters staying here.
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Originally posted by IPC View Post
It's not really the internal problems of the PBA that bothers me about young players going here. It's their non-commitment to the NT until last year. Before the WC (starting from the August 2022 window) and Asian Games this year, their commitment has been minimal.
How can we be sure that the league will commit to the national team from this point on? As in give ample preparation time for the players, especially before tournaments. That's why I'm in favor of players going abroad. When the PBA is surely committed, then I can be OK with our best youngsters staying here.
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Originally posted by Giannis34GOD View PostLet's see if PBA will commit from now on...
If not, that's why plenty of us would prefer for our younger players to go abroad. They're made available for every FIBA tournament and window. If they're out, either they're not called up or they beg off (unless they recently signed with their new team).
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Originally posted by IPC View Post
It's not really the internal problems of the PBA that bothers me about young players going here. It's their non-commitment to the NT until last year. Before the WC (starting from the August 2022 window) and Asian Games this year, their commitment has been minimal.
How can we be sure that the league will commit to the national team from this point on? As in give ample preparation time for the players, especially before tournaments. That's why I'm in favor of players going abroad. When the PBA is surely committed, then I can be OK with our best youngsters staying here.
Nangyari na yan in last year's FIBA Asia Cup eh. In so far as our Gilas B-league & KBL players are concerned, wala tayong problema in their stints in the FIBA Asia Cup & qualifying windows simply becoz the calendars of B-league & the KBL are synchronized with that of FIBA. The same could not be said with our beloved PBA.
In short, malaki talagang problema ng Philipine basketball yung non-synchronization of the PBA calendar with the FIBA calendar. PBA season is ongoing during the July-August-September period which is when FIBA & other international or invitational tournaments are usually held. On the other hand, lahat na yata ng professional basketball leagues on the planet are on their off season during the July-August-September period. Dito pa lang makikita mo kaagad yung major flaw eh."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by r1ck View PostIf the PBA does commit for the FIBA windows who should be included in the final roster? I think GIlas should move on from Roger Pogoy, Japeth Aguilar and Marcio Lassitier."A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
Here's my take about the PBA's representation of the national team, I think for the World Cup tournament proper & its window qualifiers, PBA will really commit to lend its top players (the league wants to ride on the World Cup bandwagon eh), what I doubt would be PBA's willingness take a break to give way to the FIBA Asia Cup tournament proper & its window qualifiers.
Nangyari na yan in last year's FIBA Asia Cup eh. In so far as our Gilas B-league & KBL players are concerned, wala tayong problema in their stints in the FIBA Asia Cup & qualifying windows simply becoz the calendars of B-league & the KBL are synchronized with that of FIBA. The same could not be said with our beloved PBA.
In short, malaki talagang problema ng Philipine basketball yung non-synchronization of the PBA calendar with the FIBA calendar. PBA season is ongoing during the July-August-September period which is when FIBA & other international or invitational tournaments are usually held. On the other hand, lahat na yata ng professional basketball leagues on the planet are on their off season during the July-August-September period. Dito pa lang makikita mo kaagad yung major flaw eh.
Well someone here brought up the leagues in the Carribean nations that are on-going during the these months you mentioned. He has a point naman but I guess he still missed the more important point that it's not to a PBA-backed Gilas' best interest if PBA sticks with such season schedule that's in conflict with summer FIBA tournaments. Another thing that's quite obvious is those Carribean nations have talent pools that can pick players from the NBA, Euroleague, US NCAA, G-League, and other top leagues in the world that -you guessed it right- have off seasons from July to September.
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Originally posted by JAMSKIE View PostI think Japeth has already retired from national team service. Lassiter I think had already played his last international game in Gilas jersey in the recent Asian Games. With regards to Pogoy, I think he's still serviceable for Gilas, but with his advanced age, you would rather have a mid-20's or early 20's shooting guard replacing him at the 2-spot. Well, there's Rhenz Abando who is in his mid-20's. Then there's Thirdy Ravena who is 27 yrs old. I know not many posters here like Thirdy but I think he is serviceable with Gilas if the coach knows how to utilize him. With CJ Perez as our main 2-guard at Gilas, & Abando now getting better & better in the KBL, Thirdy could be our 3rd man at the 2-guard spot behind Perez & Abando. Meaning we will only give Thirdy token minutes which I believe he can be effective becoz he can provide competent defense. Just give Thirdy around 8 to 12 minutes in a game, I believe he can help the team. The good thing about Thirdy is that he is always available for national team service & he is already an experienced player in FIBA.
If Dave Ildefonso and Justin Gutang show improved play, they should also be considered at the 2-guard spot.
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Originally posted by IPC View Post
Not to mention Ken Tuffin and Jordan Heading (if his back is good enough). Newsome sana, but he turns 34 next year (although he could be a bit useful in the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup if the PBA adjusts its calendar).
If Dave Ildefonso and Justin Gutang show improved play, they should also be considered at the 2-guard spot.
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Originally posted by IPC View Post
Yeah, I really hope they commit, as in talagang commitment, not half-assed like in the 2017 FIBA Asia Cup, 2018 Asiad, 2019 WC, and 2022 FIBA Asia Cup. Quality players (by that, I mean players with potential as well as good performers that can still perform in the FIBA stage) are made available.
If not, that's why plenty of us would prefer for our younger players to go abroad. They're made available for every FIBA tournament and window. If they're out, either they're not called up or they beg off (unless they recently signed with their new team).
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Originally posted by IPC View Post
Not to mention Ken Tuffin and Jordan Heading (if his back is good enough). Newsome sana, but he turns 34 next year (although he could be a bit useful in the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup if the PBA adjusts its calendar).
If Dave Ildefonso and Justin Gutang show improved play, they should also be considered at the 2-guard spot.
Gutang & Dave Ildefonso could be options. I'm a bit disappointed on Ildefonso's development in the KBL though. He seems to have stagnated in the last 2 years or so. Gutang while not producing eye-popping stats in the KBL seems to be developing well in Korea. One player I would want to test his mettle in Gilas is UP's CJ Cansino. I think Cansino is ripe for national team duty,"A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV
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