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  • Long time no see IBN.

    What did I missed?

    How is it going here still?

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    • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
      Long time no see IBN.

      What did I missed?

      How is it going here still?
      Where have U been bro?
      "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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      • SBP should seriously consider Mike Philipps for FIBA exemption. Philipps is a perfect role player for Gilas in the very near future. U got a 6-foot-8 Mark Pingris right there. Philipps is even more skilled than Ping.
        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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        • Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
          Philipps is even more skilled than Ping.
          probably when they were both in college. pingris' post game & defensive skills were way better when he started playing for gilas, very high BBIQ player

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          • Originally posted by magic_chiongson View Post

            probably when they were both in college. pingris' post game & defensive skills were way better when he started playing for gilas, very high BBIQ player
            Pingris was all brawn and physical abilities before his injury IRC. He was a top pick but got moved right? After his ACL surgery he slimmed down and focused more on defense. Ping though is a home grown. I dont think he good skills development in college. US though should be more competitive. I am not sure why Philipps doesnt seem to have much skill. Well maybe his wingspan and athleticism were enough for him. Well even up to now.

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            • Originally posted by Rds View Post

              Pingris was all brawn and physical abilities before his injury IRC. He was a top pick but got moved right? After his ACL surgery he slimmed down and focused more on defense. Ping though is a home grown. I dont think he good skills development in college. US though should be more competitive. I am not sure why Philipps doesnt seem to have much skill. Well maybe his wingspan and athleticism were enough for him. Well even up to now.
              played above the rim in college and early pro years, but already had good defensive instincts by then. iirc he actually bulked up or should i say strengthened up when he started getting injured regularly and developed a ground-based post game

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              • People need to realize , one of the most critical skill sets for bigs , is MOTOR ! You don't have that , and you're rather limited regardless of skill set developed, the unfortunate reality is many of our bigs do not have a motor, and as such the Philippines has a reputation of being a weak rebounding and in defense (as the frontline are the anchors and are forced to switch to the perimeter in FIBA)

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                • DAdmiral

                  U think Pingris had good motor but wasn't that skilled? I think Ping had the shortcomings in shooting & ball handling (for his height) but was able to make up for it with his athleticism, tenacity, energy & defensive skills of course.
                  Last edited by JAMSKIE; 12-04-2023, 02:52 AM.
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • Originally posted by magic_chiongson View Post

                    played above the rim in college and early pro years, but already had good defensive instincts by then. iirc he actually bulked up or should i say strengthened up when he started getting injured regularly and developed a ground-based post game
                    Just look at his body pre and post acl injury. He looks bulky in his pre injury photos. Post injury he is leaner. But of course he maintained his strength. Probably lessened his body fat.

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                    • Sadly uaap teams and it imports do have a below average motor tahts why motor mike Philips excelled in the league and not their import.. Ncaa do have high motor bigs but they have a height of an overweight point guard..
                      To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                      1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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                      • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                        People need to realize , one of the most critical skill sets for bigs , is MOTOR ! You don't have that , and you're rather limited regardless of skill set developed, the unfortunate reality is many of our bigs do not have a motor, and as such the Philippines has a reputation of being a weak rebounding and in defense (as the frontline are the anchors and are forced to switch to the perimeter in FIBA)
                        The high-motor players are usually 6'5" and below (and even in those players, we're lucky; Oftana, Navarro, Malonzo; Arvin Tolentino has a poor motor). Problem is, 6'5" is the height of an SF, 188-193 is the height of an SG, and 188-below is the height of a PG.

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                        • Originally posted by reamily View Post
                          Sadly uaap teams and it imports do have a below average motor tahts why motor mike Philips excelled in the league and not their import.. Ncaa do have high motor bigs but they have a height of an overweight point guard..
                          It's the schemes and rotation to the perimeter players that are good in the UAAP, especially UP, La Salle, NU, and Ateneo. UP and La Salle have plenty of motor, though.

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                          • Originally posted by reamily View Post
                            Sadly uaap teams and it imports do have a below average motor tahts why motor mike Philips excelled in the league and not their import.. Ncaa do have high motor bigs but they have a height of an overweight point guard..
                            I think that FSAs are a bit on the short-end of calls. Just look at that specific play where Mike was allowed to man-handle Diouf for a few seconds only for Diouf to be called a foul because of a grab that wasn't actually strong. The room for error for FSAs is so small that they have to be really good, like Kouame or Diouf for them to play many minutes. They get called for ticky tacky fouls but many times the smaller local centers are allowed to excessively body them up without calls. I get that this is a way to level the playing field. The FSAs are much longer, taller and athletic than the locals. Mike Philipps is the best local center but he is just 6'8. If calls were equal he won't be able to do anything against 7'0 Diouf. Even Kouame got into foul trouble a lot of times. But as you can seen in his play in the Asian games he is not a guy who typically fouls. MVP points were even changed to pad assist's weight, a stat that FSA's don't usually dominate. So for me let's just call a spade a spade. Calls are not in favor for FSAs to give locals more room to shine. That is fine. Just look at a guy as athletic and skilled as Momowei. If calls were equal don't you think that type of guy won't dominate more? But let's not pretend that Mike Phillips is not much inferior to a guy like Diouf if calls were equal.

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                            • Motor is about effort and energy. In our few bigs with skills and athleticism, they are usually tasked to produce a lot so they conserve their energy and do not go all out for every play. It's usually the less skilled/undersized who are effort guys (high-motor) because if they do not give max effort what else can they provide.

                              But the important thing is, for those guys that conserve, they have to produce even with conserved effort. Some guys are just lazy, they don't produce and still don't give extra effort.

                              One of my theories also is nutrition/fitness. Energy is so important to be able to play relentless style. A lot of our players have poor diet/fitness regimen which results in limited energy.

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