Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[lurklurk]

what's your take on this guys? I am seeing a lot in social media that the win last night is the best ending/moment Gilas history... rightfully so...

but i beg to disagree.. no one can top SoKor vs Gilas 2013 FIBA Asia Championship... yes i do recognize last night we were down by 20 and cam from behind and won by a point.. but man back in 2013 that was really a close game as well.. went down the wire...

but i understand today's generation.. the most recent is the greatest..

Been gone a long while, that win last night made me a gilas fan again. I think both wins are milestones, for the program i.e. the head coach and the system. The 2013 win vs sokor really cemented CCR in the eyes of the SBP ending in that wolrd cup failure. I hope CTC gets the same recognition from the SBP. I dont mind 10 yrs of CTC being Gilas program director.

[Rodbi]

I think what makes our win over China last night so special is that it was done in China's home soil. Meaning is a hostile territory.

Was it though? I remember the 2015 FIBA Asia final as having a more hostile crowd, plus the home cooking which surprisingly I saw little of last night. Perhaps last night's crowd was indeed hostile but because of Gilas' never-say-die attitude, that sort of won respect from the Chinese crowd leading them to become more tense in their support of the home team, especially in the last 2 minutes. I dunno, I guess I'm just remembering things differently.

[lurklurk]

Oh anyway I'm much more confident if Philips applied today, he would get exempted. His case has much more merits, even with less years of residency

Super confident by 2025 if SBP applies and lobby's Mike case he would be exempted.

if Philips had opportunity to play for BG (pandemic years ?) 100 % he would be exempted

Reason for Matt is simply the policy of the criteria, this isn't a moral argument of what is just or not, or if policy is consistent with every nations citizenship law, which it will never be

I hope Philips "finds" his old passport from when he was 12 yrs old in an old bodega somewhere.

[Sikatrix]

Oh anyway I'm much more confident if Philips applied today, he would get exempted. His case has much more merits, even with less years of residency

Super confident by 2025 if SBP applies and lobby's Mike case he would be exempted.

if Philips had opportunity to play for BG (pandemic years ?) 100 % he would be exempted

Reason for Matt is simply the policy of the criteria, this isn't a moral argument of what is just or not, or if policy is consistent with every nations citizenship law, which it will never be

He came at 17 I think so he could've played as an NP at u18 level but will FIBA allow an NP to play as a local in the future?

On Matt and BGR, we both know where we stand and I understand the rules as much as I disagree with them.

[lurklurk]

Was it though? I remember the 2015 FIBA Asia final as having a more hostile crowd. Or maybe last night's crowd was indeed hostile but because of Gilas' never-say-die attitude, that sort of won respect from the Chinese crowd leading them to become more tense in their support of the home team, especially in the last 2 minutes. I dunno, I guess I'm just remembering things differently.

2015 FIBA Asia was def the more hostile crowd. Gilas with Abueva is a very easy team to root against if you're Chinese. Doesnt mean last night's crowd was not hostile.

[Rodbi]

2015 FIBA Asia was def the more hostile crowd. Gilas with Abueva is a very easy team to root against if you're Chinese. Doesnt mean last night's crowd was not hostile.

Yeah, and knowing what was at stake that time. China moved heaven and earth to make sure that they win that FIBA gold.

[DAdmiral]

He came at 17 I think so he could've played as an NP at u18 level but will FIBA allow an NP to play as a local in the future?

On Matt and BGR, we both know where we stand and I understand the rules as much as I disagree with them.

Yes FIBA has allowed many who were previously classified as NP to play as locals, BG has a few actually.
and Taipei , African NP was also allowed to reclassified as a local

[DAdmiral]

I hope Philips "finds" his old passport from when he was 12 yrs old in an old bodega somewhere.

Won't work, same reason Clarkson claim.of a passport at 14 was found out as false. Essentially it is contradictory to declaration records submitted to the state department, and recorded in immigration records (shard within a few countries, which Switzerland and FIBA central have access.to )

[Sikatrix]

Yes FIBA has allowed many who were previously classified as NP to play as locals, BG has a few actually.
and Taipei , African NP was also allowed to reclassified as a local

I thought the BG examples were cleared even before the start of the FIBA tournament? They were only cleared as locals after?

[ja.he]

Not really. They came early 2020, left for a bit because of the pandemic. Maybe around 3-4 years total. Plus getting BGR is personally ok since no good reason why Matt is eligible but he isnt.

Mike arrived and trained in DLSU in 2019, not 2020.

[barok espinoza]

Was it though? I remember the 2015 FIBA Asia final as having a more hostile crowd, plus the home cooking which surprisingly I saw little of last night. Perhaps last night's crowd was indeed hostile but because of Gilas' never-say-die attitude, that sort of won respect from the Chinese crowd leading them to become more tense in their support of the home team, especially in the last 2 minutes. I dunno, I guess I'm just remembering things differently.

More than a decade of social credit rating is finally paying off. You now see a more disciplined, well-behaved, and self-aware (possibly paranoid) Chinese citizenry on full display for the world.

[Sikatrix]

Mike arrived and trained in DLSU in 2019, not 2020.

Sorry if I forgot, but if it was 2019, It was late 2019 IIRC. His IG pic of his commitment was dated Jan 2020.

EDIT: First pic I saw of his was Nov 2019

[DAdmiral]

I thought the BG examples were cleared even before the start of the FIBA tournament? They were only cleared as locals after?

Which tournament? I meant some players who played in youth team has a classification of NP , not local, and where eventually converted to local , debunking the myth that there.is a rule thst once classified as a NP one cannot play as a local, that rule does not exist.
their status was reclassified after the youth tournament

[Sikatrix]

Which tournament? I meant some players who played in youth team has a classification of NP , not local, and where eventually converted to local , debunking the myth that there.is a rule thst once classified as a NP one cannot play as a local, that rule does not exist.
their status was reclassified after the youth tournament

The Caelum Harris batch, I was guessing that batch would be easy to get pass the Hagop rule since the pandemic was a legitimate excuse for delayed papers. Any other batches with NPs in the past?

[zuma169]

Won't work, same reason Clarkson claim.of a passport at 14 was found out as false. Essentially it is contradictory to declaration records submitted to the state department, and recorded in immigration records (shard within a few countries, which Switzerland and FIBA central have access.to )

But what if there really was a legit passport before 16 yrs old that was never renewed.. I mean that is a declaration of citizenship before 16 yrs old..