Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[ja.he]

1993 is already old and players are already on the declince, ideally, the core of Gilas for the 2027 qualifying cycle should be composed of players born from 1997 onwards with only two-3 players born prior 1995 (who would serve as team captain)

sidenote: Abueva's age is somehow a mystery, especially that his brith certificate got lost from a flood hehehehe (rumor has it that he is 3-5 yrs older)

Then, he must be as strong as f**k if it is true. Being at the age 38-40, a player may lose a step.

[IPC]

1993 is already old and players are already on the declince, ideally, the core of Gilas for the 2027 qualifying cycle should be composed of players born from 1997 onwards with only two-3 players born prior 1995 (who would serve as team captain)

sidenote: Abueva's age is somehow a mystery, especially that his brith certificate got lost from a flood hehehehe (rumor has it that he is 3-5 yrs older)

Agree on your take on roster composition.

I think the only pre-1995 players worthy of inclusion for immediate windows are Parks, June Mar, Perez, Scottie, Ahanmisi, Terrence, Newsome, and maybe Marcio and Japeth, in that order, then cut down to who's available. Rest should be 1996 and beyond.

[ja.he]

Agree on your take on roster composition.

I think the only pre-1995 players worthy of inclusion for immediate windows are Parks, June Mar, Perez, Scottie, Ahanmisi, Terrence, Newsome, and maybe Marcio and Japeth, in that order, then cut down to who's available. Rest should be 1996 and beyond.

Damn, time flies so fast. Yesterday, being born in 1991 was considered young for a player. The next day, you are in the middle of your prime and your twilight years. I hate time. Hehe

[System]

Gilas giving too much post entries and taking too much mid range shots. We can see players missing point blank shots because the paint is clogged as again a function of the triangle. Also, Junemar's PNR defense again getting exposed, there were multiple threes connected by Thailand due to his drop defense. We can see the defense drastically improve once he was entered into the game in the latter part of the second quarted. Kouame I think should start or at least be given more minutes, and hopefully Tim Cone adjusts, and does just not prioritize showcasing the PBA players.

[Kaireem]

so much for that "tim cone is a genius" and "brownlee is better than clarkson" nonsense eh? and it didn't even age well.

one thing's for sure, clarkson won't miss layups and gimmes

the game also exposed how stupid it is to use the triangle in today's international tournaments, the ball stagnates in the post and turnovers lead to wide open layups

[JAMSKIE]

Guys, what's your take on 6-foot-1 point guard Schonny Winston being a potential Gilas player? This guy averaged 21 pts., 3.6 assists, 6 rebs., & 3 steals per game in the UAAP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2YbVHf7Pqc

[IPC]

Guys, what's your take on 6-foot-1 point guard Schonny Winston being a potential Gilas player? This guy averaged 21 pts., 3.6 assists, 6 rebs., & 3 steals per game in the UAAP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2YbVHf7Pqc

Should be considered for the next window. Good two-way player. If he does well, we have our Newsome replacement.

[JAMSKIE]

Should be considered for the next window. Good two-way player. If he does well, we have our Newsome replacement.

But unlike Newsome who is more of a wing, Winston is more of a point guard. I think Newsome's edge over Winston is the former's athleticism.

[IPC]

Gilas giving too much post entries and taking too much mid range shots. We can see players missing point blank shots because the paint is clogged as again a function of the triangle. Also, Junemar's PNR defense again getting exposed, there were multiple threes connected by Thailand due to his drop defense. We can see the defense drastically improve once he was entered into the game in the latter part of the second quarted. Kouame I think should start or at least be given more minutes, and hopefully Tim Cone adjusts, and does just not prioritize showcasing the PBA players.

I really don't think coach Tim is the head coach for us long-term, all due respect to him. He's better off as a defensive coordinator. His tenure's for the Asian Games, let's see.

As for prioritizing showcasing the PBA players, better to showcase the good players born 1995 and later in future tournaments, as CoJ said. If born before then, those guys better be really good, and we need to select which older players to line up in future tournaments. Balance between competitiveness and long-term continuity.

[System]

Gilas had a massive rebounding lead of 65 against 35, with 34 offensive rebounds (almost equaling Thailand's total rebounds). Even then, we only lead by 15 against inferior competition from just about their whole roster pound by pound.

Gilas only took 20 attempts from threes, making 8. This is just too low a number for an efficient offense. Again, the triangle just focuses too much on action inside the arc. The three pt attempts would have even been lower if not for the zone defense that Thailand employed during the third quarter, where we ran normal zone breaker sets outside the triangle leading to some three pointers. Our offensive system is really the bottleneck of this team.

This is stark contrast against Thailand where they shot almost double the count of our threes (34 attempts), making 13. Their system that was more modern and pace space that incorporated threes in the flow of offense kept them in the game for the most of the duration, despite giving up skill and size especially their frontline. Thailand also ran some spain pick and rolls that again targeted Junemar.

Tim Cone's defense gave up too much open threes as well. He should play Kouame more to lessen JMF's negative impact on defense.

[IPC]

We're not talking shit about SBP historically, we're talking shit about the current heads. Right now, I still think they should go.

That is hard bro... As we don't like Panlilio, He did good in all aspects of whole basketball program, especially in womens side... If we replace him, Did the new head will care especially on womens side? We all know there is little money in womens basketball, that's why they are very underrated... If we replace him, and example Al Chua will take the role, Will Chua cares in our womens team? Even Noli Eala before didn't care too much on womens team... Ironically, The womens basketball rise came on the term of Al Panlilio... We made it to the Division A status in 2017 (That is under his term) and won back to back Gold medal in SEAG from 2019 and 2022 under him as head... He has also had a seat in FIBA Asia council... that means even FIBA trust him... The reason of our struggles in mens side because we are always relying in the PBA and being under with that league.... We always knew that it's PBA who giving headaches to our national team even in the past because of their long year season w/o off season breaks that cause Gilas struggles to create a "Dream line up"...

Our men's side hasn't really performed. And as for the 2023 WC and the windows, if we performed well, it was in spite of the management, not because of them. Don't forget the 2022 silver in the SEA Games too.

As for Chua, I'm not a fan as well, because player and tactical development might not be a priority.

[Giannis34GOD]

Our men's side hasn't really performed. And as for the 2023 WC and the windows, if we performed well, it was in spite of the management, not because of them. Don't forget the 2022 silver in the SEA Games too.

As for Chua, I'm not a fan as well, because player and tactical development might not be a priority.

But we deliver on the womens side last year... This is what i don't like... We always focus on mens side... How about our womens team? No appreciation? That's why it's hard to blame him... Basketball is not just for mens team... Our youth team also deliver under him, Remember we made it to Division A in womens side in FIBA Asia u16, 3 time FIBA WC under 17 under him, 1 time FIBA WC u19 under him as head... Did we all appreciate that? If we replace Panlilio, Will the new head retain coach Pat? That will be remain a question, we don't know if the new head knows the developments of youth and womens team... PBA should be blame for Gilas struggles in mens side... Did PBA adjust their schedule last FIBA Asia cup last year? What i know PBA is the biggest institution for basketball in the Philippines, but they can't adjust their schedule for major international competition.... I don't like Panlilio too, but i appreciate his efforts overall... We are now doing good in Youth and womens team under his leadership....

[DAdmiral]

https://www.philstar.com/sports/2023/09/28/2299589/exceptions-rule

In the Philippines, blood lineage takes precedence over country of birth or jus sanguinis over jus soli with regard to affirming citizenship. Shouldn’t eligibility rules in sports follow national policies when it comes to deciding if an athlete is naturalized or not?

Totally wrong logic and understanding of the independence of international policy of a governing body from the different citizenship laws . It's impossible for FIBAs or Asian games eligibility policy to be consistent with all the different citizenship laws of each country. There will always be differences

So if you follow Quinito's logic and one country allows original citizenship (Not naturalization to 2nd citizenship) granted based on residency . And a sports governing body eligibility policy is not consistent with country's residency to citizenship law , then it's unjust ? Of course not , that's not how it works


In hindsight , FIBA actually has been granting exception similar to FIFA's residency rule : "a five-year residence is established ."., please note the emphasis on establishing residency in one's youth ( as it's an exception to a age cut of rule (U16) , it's not just residency like Brownlee, otherwise all Japanese league resident imports will be exempted (which would be insane)

[DAdmiral]

The reality is this - FIBA's rules puts quite significant emphasis on developing players within the country , and unfortunately the Philippines compared to other nations does very poorly compared to others in developing players within its country (period) and the results clearly show it.

As Brian Windhorst responded , when asked what he thinks of NBA prospects in the Philippines, " I really don't follow things at lower levels" . While it sounds demeaning, it really is an honest none intentional answer to the question.

[DAdmiral]

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In hindsight , FIBA actually has been granting exception similar to FIFA's residency rule : "a five-year residence is established ."., please note the emphasis on establishing residency in one's youth ( as it's an exception to a age cut of rule (U16) , it's not just residency like Brownlee, otherwise all Japanese league resident imports will be exempted (which would be insane)

If the SBP is strategic on how best to manage making available "eligible " players given the Hagop rule has been in place for 15 yrs now , it would focus on two things to game system

1. Get as many passport before U16 for Fil foreigners
2. Attract fil for to establish residency in the Philippines from 18 years onwards.
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of course in tandem with developing players within the country . . if a fraction of the budget that goes to naturalizing and paying NP goes to those two things (above) lang . we would be much better

You can see what the hagop rule is encouraging, it's forcing federations to develop players within its country. It's actually very sound policy making to grow the sport everywhere.