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  • #76
    Guys, do you think that in coach Tab's system, bawal ang defensive liability? That no matter how good a scorer or how offensive skilled a player is, if he's a deadweight in offense, he has no place in coach Tab's system, unless maybe that player is as good as Jordan Clarkson.
    "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Jupitersa View Post
      I see Thirdy being an elite defensive specialist for the team on the opponent's 2 and 3 position seeing how he's always tasked to defend Imports on the B-League. Similar to Norwood's role on the defensive end.
      He needs to lessen those daredevil moves if he wants to stay injury-free.
      GILAS WISHLIST:
      6'8 Pingris

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      • #78
        Originally posted by neo View Post
        he guarded wing imports. get burned most of d time but good experience for him.
        Well, those are world imports. The thing is, even the best defensive specialists of the PBA back then like Glen Capacio, Rey Evangelista, Alvin Teng, Chris Jackson, got burned by imports most of the time. Thirdy is more known for his offense than his defense. But what I like about Thirdy's stint in Japan is that he is getting the reps matching up with good quality wingmen, may it be imports or local Japanese players. Such experience would only polish both his offensive & defensive skills.
        "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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        • #79
          Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
          Guys, do you think that in coach Tab's system, bawal ang defensive liability? That no matter how good a scorer or how offensive skilled a player is, if he's a deadweight in offense, he has no place in coach Tab's system, unless maybe that player is as good as Jordan Clarkson.
          I think so.

          If you are not an exceptional Offensive Player like Carmelo Anthony or James Harden, I dont think you will crack the lineup by being a def liability.

          Clarkson is not a bad defender imo. Kai and AJ are great rim protectors.

          Two way players are a must in Fiba Worlds imo.

          Gabe is a defensive specialist. But he lacks offense in world standards. Jeff Chan was a good offensive sniper, but he was a defensive liability

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          • #80
            Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
            Guys, do you think that in coach Tab's system, bawal ang defensive liability? That no matter how good a scorer or how offensive skilled a player is, if he's a deadweight in offense, he has no place in coach Tab's system, unless maybe that player is as good as Jordan Clarkson.
            liability no u wont cut it.

            but if ur a below average defender with elite skills in other areas, u have a good shot (e.g. castro, romeo).

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            • #81
              ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

              I have a feeling that if Samboy Lim, Vergel Meneses, Jojo Lastimosa, & maybe even Allan Caidic, are playing in this current generation, baka mahirapan sila to get a crack at coach Tab's team no matter how offensive skilled they were. All those players mentioned being weak defenders. Maybe coach Tab would make a special exemption on Caidic's case knowing how explosive a shooter he was during his prime & its very rare in Phi basketball to have a shooter as good as Caidic.
              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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              • #82
                Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                I think so.

                If you are not an exceptional Offensive Player like Carmelo Anthony or James Harden, I dont think you will crack the lineup by being a def liability.

                Clarkson is not a bad defender imo. Kai and AJ are great rim protectors.

                Two way players are a must in Fiba Worlds imo.

                Gabe is a defensive specialist. But he lacks offense in world standards. Jeff Chan was a good offensive sniper, but he was a defensive liability
                Even if for instance Clarkson is a deadweight on defense, I think coach Tab would still pick him for the sake of winnability knowing how much impact Clarkson will bring to Gilas. I mean with Clarkson in the team, parang given na yung at least 20 pts. per game stats that he's going to provide the team. For a coach, that's too tempting a privilege to pass up.
                "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                • #83
                  I ask you guys, if for instance you're the Gilas head coach, would you pass up a talent like Allan Caidic or Danny Seigle as these players are defensive liabilities?
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                    Even if for instance Clarkson is a deadweight on defense, I think coach Tab would still pick him for the sake of winnability knowing how much impact Clarkson will bring to Gilas. I mean with Clarkson in the team, parang given na yung at least 20 pts. per game stats that he's going to provide the team. For a coach, that's too tempting a privilege to pass up.
                    Imagine the backlash coach Tab would get if he doesn't call up JC for a Gilas stint if JC is available, no matter how little practice time JC will get when he joins Gilas it's a no brainer he should be part of the final 12 Angelo can wait for his turn.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by JAMSKIE View Post
                      I ask you guys, if for instance you're the Gilas head coach, would you pass up a talent like Allan Caidic or Danny Seigle as these players are defensive liabilities?
                      No. Because they are exceptional offense.

                      Allan Caidic - Exceptional Outside Shooting. As in, Near Nba Level shooting.

                      Danny Seigle - Walking Mismatch

                      Anyway, In every rule there is an exception

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                      • #86
                        If they're willing to bend the rules a little for Kai and Dwight surely a great talent like JC gets a pass no? That is if he still plays at the same level in 2023. You could probably hide 1 or 2 bad defensive players if you have at least 3 guys who are above average on defense and you have a great system.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by thatweirdguy View Post
                          If they're willing to bend the rules a little for Kai and Dwight surely a great talent like JC gets a pass no? That is if he still plays at the same level in 2023. You could probably hide 1 or 2 bad defensive players if you have at least 3 guys who are above average on defense and you have a great system.
                          I think that was what the late coach Ron Jacobs did with the RP-NCC team in the 80's having defensive deadweights Allan Caidic & Samboy Lim in the roster.
                          "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                            I think so.

                            If you are not an exceptional Offensive Player like Carmelo Anthony or James Harden, I dont think you will crack the lineup by being a def liability.

                            Clarkson is not a bad defender imo. Kai and AJ are great rim protectors.

                            Two way players are a must in Fiba Worlds imo.

                            Gabe is a defensive specialist. But he lacks offense in world standards. Jeff Chan was a good offensive sniper, but he was a defensive liability
                            Yeah Gabe wasn't much of a scorer, but his dunks were highlight-worthy. Moreso that Kobe Paras.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by robert0326
                              Is Clarkson a bad defender last Asian Games? I remember he stole Zhou Qi after getting rebound easily.. Parang candy na inagawan lang.. And also remember how he disrupt Chinese and Korean guards whenever he's in defensive end? Pressure yung mga guards ng kalaban when Clarkson is there.. That is NBA pedigree for you.. Intimidated sila kay Clarkson.. In FIBA level, Clarkson is a good defender..
                              clarkson's defense has improved this year in d nba.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
                                No. Because they are exceptional offense.

                                Allan Caidic - Exceptional Outside Shooting. As in, Near Nba Level shooting.

                                Danny Seigle - Walking Mismatch

                                Anyway, In every rule there is an exception
                                not only that tab had castro and romeo, he had them played together regularly....

                                but d other options were alapag (2015) or tenorio (2016) so it was a no-brainer.

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