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  • Just watched the whole game replay. This is my opinion for the game.

    Positives:

    Ball movement much better than the world cup team.
    Impressive to see the players who never played the triangle before run it relatively well.
    They were doing triangle reversals, pinch posts, blind pigs. Refreshing to see a Gilas that actually plays team ball and takes advantage of the gravity of certain players. (Last time was with Tab)

    Negatives:

    The triangle really does not give too much 3 point opportunities. Despite the good ball movement, it is just a function of the primitive offense.
    Junemar still is a liability on defense. You can see Bahrain running pick and rolls against Junemar, and despite Bahrain's guards relatively low skill level, they are still able to score against him.
    You can see our wing players have to help against the rollmen of Junemar leaving open threes. We are in danger of better shooting teams because of this.

    Takeaway:

    At this stage of time. Tim Cone is no doubt a better FIBA coach than Reyes. However, his system despite the wrinkles he added still does not play and take advantage of the percentages. Total attempted threes is too low for modern basketball.​
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    • Originally posted by System View Post
      Just watched the whole game replay. This is my opinion for the game.

      Positives:

      Ball movement much better than the world cup team.
      Impressive to see the players who never played the triangle before run it relatively well.
      They were doing triangle reversals, pinch posts, blind pigs. Refreshing to see a Gilas that actually plays team ball and takes advantage of the gravity of certain players. (Last time was with Tab)

      Negatives:

      The triangle really does not give too much 3 point opportunities. Despite the good ball movement, it is just a function of the primitive offense.
      Junemar still is a liability on defense. You can see Bahrain running pick and rolls against Junemar, and despite Bahrain's guards relatively low skill level, they are still able to score against him.
      You can see our wing players have to help against the rollmen of Junemar leaving open threes. We are in danger of better shooting teams because of this.

      Takeaway:

      At this stage of time. Tim Cone is no doubt a better FIBA coach than Reyes. However, his system despite the wrinkles he added still does not play and take advantage of the percentages. Total attempted threes is too low for modern basketball.​
      Junemar was almost unplayable in the WC coz of his defense. The only reason he got to play against DR was because they were focuses on ineffectively letting KAT score against Edu. Many of the teams increased their lead with JF there. Italy I think was the best example.

      Contrast this to Kouames performance. He was was good at switching. He was excellent at defense but he scored too and rebounded. Chism looked like nobody when matched up against Kouame.

      I think its high time we embrace Kouame as our primary NP and let JF retire from international ball.

      JB is ok. But a good defensive center brings up the floor of a team. Edu is good as well but we know he is fragile. We cant use Edu as C as much as we can with Kouame. Even with Edu there we need Kouame to play the main C minutes. Kouame has played well for most of the Fiba games. Even in the Abdullah cup he matched up well with Dwaihiri in their hometown.

      I still dont think Kouames 100% though. He doesnt get up with force. But so far it seems a less than 100% Kouame is still our best center.

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      • Originally posted by Rds View Post

        Junemar was almost unplayable in the WC coz of his defense. The only reason he got to play against DR was because they were focuses on ineffectively letting KAT score against Edu. Many of the teams increased their lead with JF there. Italy I think was the best example.

        Contrast this to Kouames performance. He was was good at switching. He was excellent at defense but he scored too and rebounded. Chism looked like nobody when matched up against Kouame.

        I think its high time we embrace Kouame as our primary NP and let JF retire from international ball.

        JB is ok. But a good defensive center brings up the floor of a team. Edu is good as well but we know he is fragile. We cant use Edu as C as much as we can with Kouame. Even with Edu there we need Kouame to play the main C minutes. Kouame has played well for most of the Fiba games. Even in the Abdullah cup he matched up well with Dwaihiri in their hometown.

        I still dont think Kouames 100% though. He doesnt get up with force. But so far it seems a less than 100% Kouame is still our best center.
        I would rather push for the localization of Kouame and Philips then get Okongwu as our naturalized player.

        Kouame - 6'11 26 years old
        Edu - 6'11 23 years old
        Okongwu - 6'9 22 years old
        Philips - 6'8 20 years old

        Imagine how young that frontcourt is.
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        • Originally posted by Rds View Post

          Junemar was almost unplayable in the WC coz of his defense. The only reason he got to play against DR was because they were focuses on ineffectively letting KAT score against Edu. Many of the teams increased their lead with JF there. Italy I think was the best example.

          Contrast this to Kouames performance. He was was good at switching. He was excellent at defense but he scored too and rebounded. Chism looked like nobody when matched up against Kouame.

          I think its high time we embrace Kouame as our primary NP and let JF retire from international ball.

          JB is ok. But a good defensive center brings up the floor of a team. Edu is good as well but we know he is fragile. We cant use Edu as C as much as we can with Kouame. Even with Edu there we need Kouame to play the main C minutes. Kouame has played well for most of the Fiba games. Even in the Abdullah cup he matched up well with Dwaihiri in their hometown.

          I still dont think Kouames 100% though. He doesnt get up with force. But so far it seems a less than 100% Kouame is still our best center.
          A medal (any) in the Asian Games, we get our ROI from the Justin Brownlee investment. That should be the icing on the cake on Justin Brownlee's illustrous Philippine basketball career. That will be the highest placing of PH in the Asian Games in years... but if we win gold JB will officially be the GOAT. PBA might as well name an award after him and build a statue of him outside Araneta.

          moving forward, by the time we get to FIBA World Cup Qualifying Windows, JB is already 37 years old. Not sure if he'll still be in peak form but as early as now, we should recruit two more naturalized replacements and hope Kouame should to be localized. 1 wing 1 big.
          Manifesting: Philippines top 5 in the FIBA World Rankings

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          • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

            I would rather push for the localization of Kouame and Philips then get Okongwu as our naturalized player.

            Kouame - 6'11 26 years old
            Edu - 6'11 23 years old
            Okongwu - 6'9 22 years old
            Philips - 6'8 20 years old

            Imagine how young that frontcourt is.
            hopefully one of the Asian leagues snatch Kouame as their world import for the sake of his development.
            Manifesting: Philippines top 5 in the FIBA World Rankings

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            • Originally posted by mathematicianrcg View Post
              I think the Bigs in Major Tournament are already set in Kai and AJ. But we need a 3rd Big

              Tamayo and Baltazar could be. But I want them to be more of a Combo Forward instead.

              As for NP. I think we need a Tall Legit Wing SF that is a good shooter and shot creator. That can pass of course.
              I don't know man, but i think we should see Baltazar in the PBA first before considering him for major tournaments. He might turn out to be just another Erram or Raymond Almazan or Troy Rosario. Theres a reason why he was cut from the BLeague
              Manifesting: Philippines top 5 in the FIBA World Rankings

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              • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post
                Hater ? You realize I've contributed to the Gilas program more than anyone here , the Reyes's are good friends and I've continued to help and support both senior and youth teams. when did objective assessment to call out flaws become hate ? If it is we might as well all shut up and not complain about all the inefficiences and flaws of how our government operates.

                now since this is the Asian games therad let me call out one specific flaw on how we do things.
                - look at the young cadet team Japan entered that had training for moths in parallel with their World cup team, while we have a team half of ineligibles and an average age over 30 plus . GO figure which is better planning and management or are we all haters for calling out again again how bad the federation operates?

                In Chot's own words we should be sending Cadets to games ( SEA and Asian)
                Hopefully, we can be able to send younger players to the Asian Games and SEA Games in the future. But scheduling might be an issue.

                For the 2025 SEA Games, schedule might be a bit of an issue, as it's on December 9-20. Our youngest players are either in Japan or in college. The UAAP season might have to start early, and there's a FIBA window to be crammed in there. Maybe get from the eliminated teams, and have older PBA players as support.

                For 2026 Asiad, it's September 19 to October 4. UAAP season would have to move up by a week, which is fine, so we might be able to get some collegiate players. November 2026 WC window might be an issue, though, but hopefully the UAAP can be able to cram the schedule. Of course, PBA players as support.

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                • Originally posted by IPC View Post

                  Hopefully, we can be able to send younger players to the Asian Games and SEA Games in the future. But scheduling might be an issue.

                  For the 2025 SEA Games, schedule might be a bit of an issue, as it's on December 9-20. Our youngest players are either in Japan or in college. The UAAP season might have to start early, and there's a FIBA window to be crammed in there. Maybe get from the eliminated teams, and have older PBA players as support.

                  For 2026 Asiad, it's September 19 to October 4. UAAP season would have to move up by a week, which is fine, so we might be able to get some collegiate players. November 2026 WC window might be an issue, though, but hopefully the UAAP can be able to cram the schedule. Of course, PBA players as support.
                  Yeah, our basketball stakeholders really need to make some sacrifices to be able to accomplish certain goals for the betterment of Phi basketball. They neeed to adjust a little bit in their calendars to achieve it. Hindi kasi pwede yung basta na lang sabihin ng UAAP or NCAA na, "Conflict yung Asian Games sa collegiate basketball calendar so we can't lend any of our college players to Gilas in that tournament". If these collegiate leagues can adjust their calendars by postponing it a week 2 later to give way to the SEA Games or Asian Games, then why not make such sacrifice?

                  PBA made some sacrifice for our participation in the Asian Games by postponing the opening of the 2023-2024 PBA season. I would like to commend the PBA for that.

                  The PBA is doing its part (sacrifice), I think other stakeholders like the UAAP & NCAA should also do its part.
                  "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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                  • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

                    I would rather push for the localization of Kouame and Philips then get Okongwu as our naturalized player.

                    Kouame - 6'11 26 years old
                    Edu - 6'11 23 years old
                    Okongwu - 6'9 22 years old
                    Philips - 6'8 20 years old

                    Imagine how young that frontcourt is.
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                    • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

                      I would rather push for the localization of Kouame and Philips then get Okongwu as our naturalized player.

                      Kouame - 6'11 26 years old
                      Edu - 6'11 23 years old
                      Okongwu - 6'9 22 years old
                      Philips - 6'8 20 years old

                      Imagine how young that frontcourt is.
                      Pipeline Recruitment and development is actually the proven blue print of how every successful federation has done things, it really is NO secret , no need to reinvent the wheel.

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                      • Originally posted by Rds View Post

                        Junemar was almost unplayable in the WC coz of his defense. The only reason he got to play against DR was because they were focuses on ineffectively letting KAT score against Edu. Many of the teams increased their lead with JF there. Italy I think was the best example.

                        Contrast this to Kouames performance. He was was good at switching. He was excellent at defense but he scored too and rebounded. Chism looked like nobody when matched up against Kouame.

                        I think its high time we embrace Kouame as our primary NP and let JF retire from international ball.

                        JB is ok. But a good defensive center brings up the floor of a team. Edu is good as well but we know he is fragile. We cant use Edu as C as much as we can with Kouame. Even with Edu there we need Kouame to play the main C minutes. Kouame has played well for most of the Fiba games. Even in the Abdullah cup he matched up well with Dwaihiri in their hometown.

                        I still dont think Kouames 100% though. He doesnt get up with force. But so far it seems a less than 100% Kouame is still our best center.
                        Agree. His laterals and mobility are just notches above Junemar's. He can hard hedge against guards and still get back to his man in time. He does not need to do that drop defense that gives up pull ups. And he is switchable, thus disrupting the opponent's offensive flow. During these switches against guards, he keeps his hands up preventing shots, while keeping his center of gravity low to prevent blowbys. His post defense is also good. Unlike Japeth, the opponent's post players can body him up and he will still be effective in disrupting shots.

                        Looking back on how clumsy and awkward Ange was when he started playing for Ateneo, Tab has really trained and developed a modern bigman. Now if only Kai had even just 70 percent of his mobility and laterals..
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                        • Originally posted by DAdmiral View Post

                          Pipeline Recruitment and development is actually the proven blue print of how every successful federation has done things, it really is NO secret , no need to reinvent the wheel.
                          Outside Okongwu, the rest already have stints with Gilas in various tournaments.

                          Except Edu and Okongwu, the other two played or playing for a UAAP team.

                          ​​​​​I believe that Kouame and Philips deserve to be locals for FIBA purposes - students and residents in the Philippines and products of Philippine basketball system.

                          If this happens, I will be more excited about the prospect of having Kouame-Edu-Okongwu-Philips frontcourt. That frontcourt quartet could be a rebounding machine.
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                          • Originally posted by Rds View Post

                            Junemar was almost unplayable in the WC coz of his defense. The only reason he got to play against DR was because they were focuses on ineffectively letting KAT score against Edu. Many of the teams increased their lead with JF there. Italy I think was the best example.

                            Contrast this to Kouames performance. He was was good at switching. He was excellent at defense but he scored too and rebounded. Chism looked like nobody when matched up against Kouame.

                            I think its high time we embrace Kouame as our primary NP and let JF retire from international ball.

                            JB is ok. But a good defensive center brings up the floor of a team. Edu is good as well but we know he is fragile. We cant use Edu as C as much as we can with Kouame. Even with Edu there we need Kouame to play the main C minutes. Kouame has played well for most of the Fiba games. Even in the Abdullah cup he matched up well with Dwaihiri in their hometown.

                            I still dont think Kouames 100% though. He doesnt get up with force. But so far it seems a less than 100% Kouame is still our best center.
                            To be fair with Junemar, he is still the best postup big man of the country. He uses his heft well, has a soft touch and can do post fadeaways. His pick and roll defense has already improved to the point where he is playable at stretches, unlike the time when he would give up fouls to keep up with driving guards against his pick and roll defense. The continuous exposure this year to international basketball has truly helped. We can only imagine if he had this continuous exposure to international, especially when he was younger. Having to consistently guard small centers, imports with height restrictions and offenses that are iso-centric in the PBA contributed to his current state.
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                            • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

                              Outside Okongwu, the rest already have stints with Gilas in various tournaments.

                              Except Edu and Okongwu, the other two played or playing for a UAAP team.

                              ​​​​​I believe that Kouame and Philips deserve to be locals for FIBA purposes - students and residents in the Philippines and products of Philippine basketball system.

                              If this happens, I will be more excited about the prospect of having Kouame-Edu-Okongwu-Philips frontcourt. That frontcourt quartet could be a rebounding machine.
                              how is phillips a product of PH basketball? he was already playing before he went there. Ange was a football player iirc who has potential to grow tall, hence ADMU gambled on him. dont know who got him. so ange, literally learned to play basketball in the Philippines. Phillips can fall under staying as local for x years already,
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                              • Originally posted by C2Hamm View Post

                                how is phillips a product of PH basketball? he was already playing before he went there. Ange was a football player iirc who has potential to grow tall, hence ADMU gambled on him. dont know who got him. so ange, literally learned to play basketball in the Philippines. Phillips can fall under staying as local for x years already,
                                "how is phillips a product of PH basketball?"

                                - He plays college basketball in the Philippines. That's part of his basketball heritage. He may have started playing basketball in the US but he came here in the Philippines and started training with DLSU at age 17. His whole college basketball career is in the Philippines. Isn't enough reason to consider him as a PH basketball product?
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