Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[mathematicianrcg]

I think the Bigs in Major Tournament are already set in Kai and AJ. But we need a 3rd Big

Tamayo and Baltazar could be. But I want them to be more of a Combo Forward instead.

As for NP. I think we need a Tall Legit Wing SF that is a good shooter and shot creator. That can pass of course.

[JAMSKIE]

This may be off topic but I would like to make a "competency check" among a No. of SBP officials:

How are these SBP officials familiar with some key players of Asian national teams? Does a Sonny Barrios and a Ricky Vargas know who Ahmad Al Dwairi is? How familiar Barrios & Vargas are on players like Wael Arakji, Ali Haidar, Behnam Yakhchali, Freddie Ibrahim, Mohammed Alsuwailem, Zee Hamoda, Isaac Fotu?

I bet majority of Pinoy IBNers here would easily beat Barrios & Vargas in terms familiarity of those mentioned.

My point here is that, if an an averaged or sabihin nating above averaged basketball fan has more knowledge of Asian basketball than some of those SBP officials, then what does that speak of those SBP officials?

[zuma169]

I may be in the minority, but from now on, I would want a naturalized player to have roots, or connections with our country.. Jordan Clarkson may still be serviceable by 2027, we just have to make sure he is properly embedded in our system and will have longer times training with Gilas..

but again i may be in the minority but I would be fine if Jalen Green will be our naturalized player moving on.. he still lacks maturity and can improve on that moving forward.. but he is FIBA experienced already being the MVP or the FIBA U17 Worlds and participated in the FIBA U19 edition as well.. he is quite familiar already with the Philippine basketball scene having played in the NBTC showcase and has been a visitor a couple of times..

and then pair him with an homegrown talent but with international development exposure (hopefully Andy Gemao can really turn heads).. problem is still a strong wing.. and hopefully Tamayo and Baltazar will improve more to be paired with Sotto and Edu.. If for some miracle Ange Kouame will be granted exemption then that would be a big plus.. kulang na lang talaga 6'5" to 6'6" agile wing..

Also, I hope Andy Gemao will be converted into a point guard.. LEGIT point guard.. as we also have rhenz abando who currently is at the same role position as Jalen Green and Andy Gemao..

imagine Gemao, Abando and Green? oh boy what an athletic combo of guards haha! Dwight will complement them perfectly..plus though midget sized but legit international guards SJ Belangel and Rj Abarrientos..

wait parang wala na akong nabanggit na PBA star hahaha! but again as I have said numerous times, we should push for changes in the PBA ASAP!!!

[zuma169]

This may be off topic but I would like to make a "competency check" among a No. of SBP officials:

How are these SBP officials familiar with some key players of Asian national teams? Does a Sonny Barrios and a Ricky Vargas know who Ahmad Al Dwairi is? How familiar Barrios & Vargas are on players like Wael Arakji, Ali Haidar, Behnam Yakhchali, Freddie Ibrahim, Mohammed Alsuwailem, Zee Hamoda, Isaac Fotu?

I bet majority of Pinoy IBNers here would easily beat Barrios & Vargas in terms familiarity of those mentioned.

My point here is that, if an an averaged or sabihin nating above averaged basketball fan has more knowledge of Asian basketball than some of those SBP officials, then what does that speak of those SBP officials?

Well, I am sure Sonny Barrios knows them (probably not by name) but let us be lenient on him as he is already old and in the latter years already (tagal na nya sa SBP).. bihira lang matatanda with a very very sharp mind.. As for Ricky Vargas i don't think so and I am ok with it as he is more of an overall sports executive and more of a PBA guy..

the most crucial role in the SBP in my opinion, if it is still existent, is the program director.. It is a very good plus if the President of the federation is a basketball guy, which I am pushing but if not, the critical role at hand is the program director.. that person should know the current basketball scene and trends, and will create a program depending on that.. eh previously si chot un hahahaha.. but now wala..

so that needs to be addressed.. actually a total inspection and root cause analysis should be done for the entire SBP federation and institute changes based on the findings.. really..

[JAMSKIE]

Well, I am sure Sonny Barrios knows them (probably not by name) but let us be lenient on him as he is already old and in the latter years already (tagal na nya sa SBP).. bihira lang matatanda with a very very sharp mind.. As for Ricky Vargas i don't think so and I am ok with it as he is more of an overall sports executive and more of a PBA guy..

the most crucial role in the SBP in my opinion, if it is still existent, is the program director.. It is a very good plus if the President of the federation is a basketball guy, which I am pushing but if not, the critical role at hand is the program director.. that person should know the current basketball scene and trends, and will create a program depending on that.. eh previously si chot un hahahaha.. but now wala..

so that needs to be addressed.. actually a total inspection and root cause analysis should be done for the entire SBP federation and institute changes based on the findings.. really..

I doubt very much that Sonny Barrios is familiar with those players.

While it really doesn't matter that they aren't that familiar with the aforementioned players as far as their respective functions as SBP officials is concerned, this could indicate their lack of enthusiasm & passion for basketball. I say their lack of enthusiasm & passion for basketball is the perfect ingredient for incompetence.

I say a less intelligent but more basketball passionate Pinoy basketball fans would be more competent as SBP president than an Al Panlilio.

[mathematicianrcg]

I doubt very much that Sonny Barrios is familiar with those players.

While it really doesn't matter that they aren't that familiar with the aforementioned players as far as their respective functions as SBP officials is concerned, this could indicate their lack of enthusiasm & passion for basketball. I say their lack of enthusiasm & passion for basketball is the perfect ingredient for incompetence.

I say a less intelligent but more basketball passionate Pinoy basketball fans would be more competent as SBP president than an Al Panlilio.

For sure most IBL passionate posters here are more familar with players.

Heck, I can name of the bat Iran's Starting Lineup and Core during their Prime.

Kamrani, Jamshidi, Bahrami, Sahakian, Hadaddi, and Garduce.

so yeah. For sure more posters here are even more knowledgeable and familar than me

[Juancho]

I may be in the minority, but from now on, I would want a naturalized player to have roots, or connections with our country.. Jordan Clarkson may still be serviceable by 2027, we just have to make sure he is properly embedded in our system and will have longer times training with Gilas..

but again i may be in the minority but I would be fine if Jalen Green will be our naturalized player moving on.. he still lacks maturity and can improve on that moving forward.. but he is FIBA experienced already being the MVP or the FIBA U17 Worlds and participated in the FIBA U19 edition as well.. he is quite familiar already with the Philippine basketball scene having played in the NBTC showcase and has been a visitor a couple of times..

and then pair him with an homegrown talent but with international development exposure (hopefully Andy Gemao can really turn heads).. problem is still a strong wing.. and hopefully Tamayo and Baltazar will improve more to be paired with Sotto and Edu.. If for some miracle Ange Kouame will be granted exemption then that would be a big plus.. kulang na lang talaga 6'5" to 6'6" agile wing..

Also, I hope Andy Gemao will be converted into a point guard.. LEGIT point guard.. as we also have rhenz abando who currently is at the same role position as Jalen Green and Andy Gemao..

imagine Gemao, Abando and Green? oh boy what an athletic combo of guards haha! Dwight will complement them perfectly..plus though midget sized but legit international guards SJ Belangel and Rj Abarrientos..

wait parang wala na akong nabanggit na PBA star hahaha! but again as I have said numerous times, we should push for changes in the PBA ASAP!!!

If Green gets called up by US instead, we can still have our own RHJ.

Ron Harper Jr.

[JAMSKIE]

For sure most IBL passionate posters here are more familar with players.

Heck, I can name of the bat Iran's Starting Lineup and Core during their Prime.

Kamrani, Jamshidi, Bahrami, Sahakian, Hadaddi, and Garduce.

so yeah. For sure more posters here are even more knowledgeable and familar than me

If for instance we ask Sonny Barrios or Ricky Vargas to describe Oshin Sahakian & Samad Nikkah Bahrami, what are the respective heights & positions of these players & what their playing styles were, I doubt either Barrios or Vargas will be able to do it right. Baka sabihin ni Barrios that Sahakian is a 6-foot point guard while Bahrami is a 6-foot-11 center.

I may sound sarcastic in saying this but I think I could be right.

[zuma169]

I doubt very much that Sonny Barrios is familiar with those players.

While it really doesn't matter that they aren't that familiar with the aforementioned players as far as their respective functions as SBP officials is concerned, this could indicate their lack of enthusiasm & passion for basketball. I say their lack of enthusiasm & passion for basketball is the perfect ingredient for incompetence.

I say a less intelligent but more basketball passionate Pinoy basketball fans would be more competent as SBP president than an Al Panlilio.

I strongly disagree with this.. it doesn't mean that if you don't know the names or the players you are not passionate about basketball.. that is a very flawed logic.. I have my barkada who does not know these names (only me) but are passionate as hell and love the game of basketball.. that is a flawed statement...

an independent executive who knows how to run an organization properly (PLUS someone who loves the game or who has been in the basketball scene long enough - this is a bonus) is enough already for the head of SBP.. again the most crucial role is the program director because that is where the President will base his decision making..

ang nagyari kasi sa SBP is sila sila na lang (MVP group and cohorts).. barkadahan na nangyari.. that is the main problem of SBP...

[sroth3839]

Who do you think he’s referring to?

Will Voight?

https://x.com/homersayson/status/1706119328410530145?s=46&t=nk22-E3VDZ66EGeKwYPD1Q

[JAMSKIE]

I strongly disagree with this.. it doesn't mean that if you don't know the names or the players you are not passionate about basketball.. that is a very flawed logic.. I have my barkada who does not know these names (only me) but are passionate as hell and love the game of basketball.. that is a flawed statement...

an independent executive who knows how to run an organization properly (PLUS someone who loves the game or who has been in the basketball scene long enough - this is a bonus) is enough already for the head of SBP.. again the most crucial role is the program director because that is where the President will base his decision making..

ang nagyari kasi sa SBP is sila sila na lang (MVP group and cohorts).. barkadahan na nangyari.. that is the main problem of SBP...

Bro, yung point ko lang is, if an SBP official isn't that familiar with those star or key players in Asian basketball, then he must have not followed Gilas & Asian basketball enough which could suggest not having enough passion and enthusiasm on Asian basketball & perhaps Gilas as well. Now with that questionable passion & enthusiasm come questionable competence.

Maybe your barkada plays basketball & he's probably a fan of the NBA. But he's not that familiar with Asian basketball because he doesn't follow Asian basketball that much (not as much as you do & most of us here).

I say it's just alright for an average basketball fan but has some passion & interest on basketball not to be that familiar with star Asian players. But for an SBP official to be not so familiar with some star Asian players, then that could suggest the lack of enough passion & enthusiasm on Asian basketball & Gilas as well, which may affect his competence.

[zuma169]

Bro, yung point ko lang is, if an SBP official isn't that familiar with those star or key players in Asian basketball, then he must have not followed Gilas & Asian basketball enough which could suggest not having enough passion and enthusiasm on Asian basketball & perhaps Gilas as well. Now with that questionable passion & enthusiasm come questionable competence.

Maybe your barkada plays basketball & he's probably a fan of the NBA. But he's not that familiar with Asian basketball because he doesn't follow Asian basketball that much (not as much as you do & most of us here).

I say it's just alright for an average basketball fan but has some passion & interest on basketball not to be that familiar with star Asian players. But for an SBP official to be not so familiar with some star Asian players, then that could suggest the lack of enough passion & enthusiasm on Asian basketball & Gilas as well, which may affect his competence.

I get your point.. and to a certain extent I agree it would be miles better if the president and executive director of the federation loves basketball, is knowledgeable un FIBA and Asian basketball and has passion.. that is the perfect candidate.. but that is not a deal breaker... what we need is someone who loves basketball and a great executive/leader.. that's it.. and I do believe Al Panlilio doesn't fit the bill... heck is even not a good executive leader.. Sonny Barrios is ok actually.. yes you may assume he doesn't know these players.. let's put it that way, but the guy was PBA commissioner for more than 5 years I think.. he is basically an original in SBP.. he has served philippine basketball for a very long time.. his passion for the sport in the country is unquestionable.. as an executive leader, we may have a lot of differing opinions but I think he is ok there.. besides he doesn't need to know every single detail of each and every player in the Asian region.. I even doubt Yao Ming (though already resigned) knows every single player in Gilas Pilipinas.. and I think the same goes to every single federation in Asia.. because really what is the use of these information and knowledge for the head and management of the federation? nothing.. it is the program director's responsibility to know these information to form an actual program and recommend players and discuss with the federation leadership...

BUT, this is the time for change.. kung baga napaglipasan na.. time to move on.. times have changed so we need fresh blood.. young fresh blood actually.. and people who know basketball and love the game in the country..

[JAMSKIE]

I get your point.. and to a certain extent I agree it would be miles better if the president and executive director of the federation loves basketball, is knowledgeable un FIBA and Asian basketball and has passion.. that is the perfect candidate.. but that is not a deal breaker... what we need is someone who loves basketball and a great executive/leader.. that's it.. and I do believe Al Panlilio doesn't fit the bill... heck is even not a good executive leader.. Sonny Barrios is ok actually.. yes you may assume he doesn't know these players.. let's put it that way, but the guy was PBA commissioner for more than 5 years I think.. he is basically an original in SBP.. he has served philippine basketball for a very long time.. his passion for the sport in the country is unquestionable.. as an executive leader, we may have a lot of differing opinions but I think he is ok there.. besides he doesn't need to know every single detail of each and every player in the Asian region.. I even doubt Yao Ming (though already resigned) knows every single player in Gilas Pilipinas.. and I think the same goes to every single federation in Asia.. because really what is the use of these information and knowledge for the head and management of the federation? nothing.. it is the program director's responsibility to know these information to form an actual program and recommend players and discuss with the federation leadership...

BUT, this is the time for change.. kung baga napaglipasan na.. time to move on.. times have changed so we need fresh blood.. young fresh blood actually.. and people who know basketball and love the game in the country..

Ok bro, noted.

I've always believed that one good indication of one's passion & enthusiasm (or the lack of it) for basketball is his familiarity (or the lack of it) with the players. For instance a basketball fan who watches 12 PBA games per month most likely would be more familiar with PBA players than someone who watches 1 PBA game every 3 months. Of course, high chances are that the one who frequently watches PBA games is more passionate & enthusiast on the PBA than the one who seldom watches PBA games.

I just can't help but ask, what if Al Panlilio is as passionate of Philippine basketball as most Pinoy IBNers here? I think he would have been doing a much better job as SBP president.

[IPC]

FiBA was actually concerned with the lack of competitiveness of Gilas leading to the World cup

you realize Philippines is the only host not to win a game in the 1st round since Colombia in the 70s

The guys keeping us in it were the overseas players (Dwight, AJ, JC, sometimes Kai and Abando, even Kiefer), June Mar, and Pogoy (when he was on). The rest, man. The selection could have been better.

[IPC]

While we know that Chua is a basketball lifer and a very good manager, and when 100%commited, he get things done, but we also know that Chua has history of non-cooperation that somewhat sabotaged past iterations of the NT, simply because his boss is a big business rival of the NT's benefactor.
During that period, the NT missed services of Young JMF, Young Jap, Young Greg, Super Ubo, Cabagnot, Prime Arwind, LA post 2013, Prime Ping, etc.


Worse is 2015 NT, where PHL had a highest chance of qualifying to the Olympics.

If he does get things done, hope he starts with building a long-term team and improving the youth program first.