Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[DAdmiral]

Just to add, if the system domestically makes it too difficult to produce elite world players, then do a (South Sudan or FIFA Filipinas model) , recruit Fil foreigners who are exposed to the pathway and (make them eligible ( fast track passports).

lastly if you're trying to develop a tall wing for US colleges/ NBA (like Yuta) while in High school, it's fundamental that physically he has to run and move like a real forward and wing. (so begs the question how many 6'6 above Philippine High school players actually run and move like a Yuta ( without the ball) and how many even get the reps training to move and run like him? (i'll answer it probably ZERO)

[Rds]

Just to add, if the system domestically makes it too difficult to produce elite world players, then do a (South Sudan or FIFA Filipinas model) , recruit Fil foreigners who are exposed to the pathway and (make them eligible ( fast track passports).

lastly if you're trying to develop a tall wing for US colleges/ NBA (like Yuta) while in High school, it's fundamental that physically he has to run and move like a real forward and wing. (so begs the question how many 6'6 above Philippine High school players actually run and move like a Yuta ( without the ball) and how many even get the reps training to move and run like him? (i'll answer it probably ZERO)

My idea is we get allow an FSA in senior high. 6’6 Pablo was able to dominate paint until he was 19 when should have been honing his perimeter game. An FSA would force 6’6 guys like him to play more in the perimeter even in senior high.

[DAdmiral]

My idea is we get allow an FSA in senior high. 6’6 Pablo was able to dominate paint until he was 19 when should have been honing his perimeter game. An FSA would force 6’6 guys like him to play more in the perimeter even in senior high.

agree with your idea, the Philippines doesn't actually lack funding towards basketball or lack of local base players to train against , what it needs is to have prioritize target funding towards a more concentrated group ( the youth ) , right now we have the basketball landscape is too scattered and overly diluted (where the top youth prospects are not grouped together and exposed to better and bigger competition) but are exposed to diluted competition that doesn't make them improve
simply put a 16 yr old Kai Sotto should not be competing regularly with his age group 6 footers , but should be playing games vs the best pro adults (imports included) in the land.

[Rodbi]

agree with your idea, the Philippines doesn't actually lack funding towards basketball or lack of local base players to train against , what it needs is to have prioritize target funding towards a more concentrated group ( the youth ) , right now we have the basketball landscape is too scattered and overly diluted (where the top youth prospects are not grouped together and exposed to better and bigger competition) but are exposed to diluted competition that doesn't make them improve
simply put a 16 yr old Kai Sotto should not be competing regularly with his age group 6 footers , but should be playing games vs the best pro adults (imports included) in the land.

The PBA might have accidentally came up with a blueprint with their recent On Tour conference. Although the young guns invited are deemed of pro age already (22-24), i don't think it won't hurt to further lower the age limit that will allow true college freshmen to participate.

[r1ck]

My idea is we get allow an FSA in senior high. 6’6 Pablo was able to dominate paint until he was 19 when should have been honing his perimeter game. An FSA would force 6’6 guys like him to play more in the perimeter even in senior high.

I think that is a great idea not only does it raise the level of play but it could also result in possible recruitment of promising foreign players that could be converted to become FIBA eligible as a local for the national team.

[Metta]

agree with your idea, the Philippines doesn't actually lack funding towards basketball or lack of local base players to train against , what it needs is to have prioritize target funding towards a more concentrated group ( the youth ) , right now we have the basketball landscape is too scattered and overly diluted (where the top youth prospects are not grouped together and exposed to better and bigger competition) but are exposed to diluted competition that doesn't make them improve
simply put a 16 yr old Kai Sotto should not be competing regularly with his age group 6 footers , but should be playing games vs the best pro adults (imports included) in the land.

If the whole grassroots ecosystem cannot be improved, at least develop a "targeted" pool of very young prospects. Scour the country (and other filfor prospects) for pre-high school/high school aged players who are 6'5+ and exhibit elite potential. Concentrate on those top 5. Make it a goal to get them in D1 or top Euro/Aus academies. With that goal in mind, there will always be a clear objective and yardstick, is the prospect developing on time to make that goal?

Kobe Paras is an example of someone who was able to meet that goal, what happened afterwards just didn't pan out. But if we have around 5 players who was given the opportunity like him, chances are at least one will fare better.

You're right, the whole system is diluted which affects the size-to-position of our players in the whole local ecosystem. All countries experience this in varying degrees, the difference is they have "higher" levels to funnel the elite of the elite. Locally we don't have that so the answer is send them overseas, just like Japan, who incidentally also "plays up" their elite prospects. Yuto has been playing up 3 years in world youth level.

[IPC]

I think Baltazar's previous stint with Gilas has proven he is indeed an asset for the national team since he was able to play as a catch and shoot 6'8" wing player. But it is worrisome that Delta plays him exclusively as a center and after watching some of their games he has become a defensive liability in high pick rolls where he is unwillingly to leave the paint and close out on shooters

Following the path of Troy. That's sad.

[IPC]

Here's a compilation of the stats for this WC: https://hackastat.eu/en/fiba-world-cup-2023/

Interesting statlines for us:

We were 10th in DRTG at 106.3.
We allowed a true shooting percentage of 53%, good for 6th in the WC.
We allowed opponents to shoot only 32% from 3, good for 9th.
We allowed opponents to shoot 41% from the field, good for 4th.
We had the lowest AST% at 43%.
We had the 10th highest TO% at 16%.
We were 26th in 3PT% at 30%.
We were below average at offensive rebounding, grabbing only 28% of all available offensive rebounds. (ranked 21st, average 29%)
We were average at defensive rebounding, grabbing 73.7% of all available defensive rebounds. (ranked 15, average 72.9%)
We force turnovers only 12% of the time, good for 31st.

Defensive stats might have been padded by the Angola and China games, but I'll take it.

We were 11th in pace with 78.6 possessions per 40 minutes. That's faster than every European team (7 of the bottom 10 in pace are European sides). It is, however, closer to Mexico (80.4), DR (80.2), Aussie and NZ (79.4), and Puerto Rico (79.2). Kind of supports ja.he's hypothesis that a Latin American play style fits us better than European.

[IPC]

If the whole grassroots ecosystem cannot be improved, at least develop a "targeted" pool of very young prospects. Scour the country (and other filfor prospects) for pre-high school/high school aged players who are 6'5+ and exhibit elite potential. Concentrate on those top 5. Make it a goal to get them in D1 or top Euro/Aus academies. With that goal in mind, there will always be a clear objective and yardstick, is the prospect developing on time to make that goal?

Kobe Paras is an example of someone who was able to meet that goal, what happened afterwards just didn't pan out. But if we have around 5 players who was given the opportunity like him, chances are at least one will fare better.

You're right, the whole system is diluted which affects the size-to-position of our players in the whole local ecosystem. All countries experience this in varying degrees, the difference is they have "higher" levels to funnel the elite of the elite. Locally we don't have that so the answer is send them overseas, just like Japan, who incidentally also "plays up" their elite prospects. Yuto has been playing up 3 years in world youth level.

And sending them overseas is a whole different challenge altogether, as schools would be wanting to get their services, and the packages are too hard to resist.

Developing players is one of the functions of a national sports federation, so SBP would have to find a way to get players to train and play overseas and away from the local colleges as part of a training program.

[Metta]

Following the path of Troy. That's sad.

He's been consistently showing this throughout his career. Sandbagging. If I'm not mistaken he overaged in high school and reached max age in college.

Could've been much better if he got pushed against superior talent earlier and more frequently. Too many of our players go this route.

[Metta]

Like I said, SMC knows the fans, they understand their market. They have ears on the ground. Both RSA and Longhair practically came from nothing. They know the fans' "kiliti". This is at least one good thing that came out of the take over.

This is in stark contrast with typical highly-educated white-collar executives in MVP and Panlilio who are so disconnected with the masa fans.

On one hand, at the end of the day basketball is entertainment. So give the fans what they want.

On the other, being populist is not always the right way. We need leadership with a singular vision and focus. Having a 5-10 year plan (with losing a big part of it in the beginning) for example will fly over most peoples heads.

Needs over wants.

[IPC]

On one hand, at the end of the day basketball is entertainment. So give the fans what they want.

On the other, being populist is not always the right way. We need leadership with a singular vision and focus. Having a 5-10 year plan (with losing a big part of it in the beginning) for example will fly over most peoples heads.

Needs over wants.

Although performing well in the Asian Games would be great (I think we have the roster to do that), agreed that we still need a good program, with a plan like you mentioned. The program is what we should be expecting from the new management.

However, we might skip the losing part, as we have good core pieces in Dwight, Kai, AJ, and Abando, so we have a jumpstart to a rebuild. Some other Japan boys would be good too, hope they can participate.

[Metta]

Although performing well in the Asian Games would be great (I think we have the roster to do that), agreed that we still need a good program, with a plan like you mentioned. The program is what we should be expecting from the new management.

However, we might skip the losing part, as we have good core pieces in Dwight, Kai, AJ, and Abando, so we have a jumpstart to a rebuild. Some other Japan boys would be good too, hope they can participate.

If what you're saying is indeed true, us not having to go through the losing part, then that means we're not leveling up enough in terms of competition. If we're good enough to beat our usual opponents, then we need to continually arrange for more games against higher competition. That's how to get better and better.

Same concept with young players who need to "play up."

[IPC]

If what you're saying is indeed true, us not having to go through the losing part, then that means we're not leveling up enough in terms of competition. If we're good enough to beat our usual opponents, then we need to continually arrange for more games against higher competition. That's how to get better and better.

Same concept with young players who need to "play up."

It's just my projection, since in theory, we have younger players who are good enough at the Asian level, or have the potential to be good enough. I really believe we have the pieces to qualify for 2027. We just need a good program.

[NOiNU]

New FIBA rankings up. We’re no. 38.

Biggest riser, South Sudan. Up top, biggest climbs were Latvia and Germany.