Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[shootingbwakaw]

I'd argue they didn't take the competition seriously, because they don't think it's worth more than winning another PBA title. Same attitude with the Jones Cup. Which I think is quite disrespectful to the other leagues that wanted to build something of a Champions League clone.

ahh the old Cris Ross excuse. as a player, with a million bucks on the line, TV coverage and bragging rights, do you think you'd purposely let yourself get embarrassed by 55 points. kahit hindi professional player marunong rin naman mahiya. imagine that happening in the UAAP or NCAA against a rival school. I'm pretty sure testosterone and chest thumping still exists among athletes. them not taking it seriously is a ridiculous excuse IMO.

[thatweirdguy]

ahh the old Cris Ross excuse. as a player, with a million bucks on the line, TV coverage and bragging rights, do you think you'd purposely let yourself get embarrassed by 55 points. kahit hindi professional player marunong rin naman mahiya. imagine that happening in the UAAP or NCAA against a rival school. I'm pretty sure testosterone and chest thumping still exists among athletes. them not taking it seriously is a ridiculous excuse IMO.

Why did they bother to join in the first place? Waste of money , time and effort if they don't plan on winning. Every team is on it to win until they realized they can't.

[ccharmed]

They selected tim cone as coach for the asiad.

Where are the noisy bcap protesters? Cone is certainly not pinoy.

[shootingbwakaw]

which almost got us a win vs the dominican republic? i bet we would've won that game if clarkson didn't foul out.

last 5 champion coaches in the world cup were locals though - yugo for yugo in 2002, spanish for spain in 2006, american for usa in 2010 and 2014 and spanish again for spain in 2019

which actually proves my point. iso & hero ball doesn't work in a 5-man game. is it efficient coaching to dump the ball to a player and just let him do his thing? so when he was out, 11 people were disoriented & clueless. that shouldn't happen with an effective system in place. check out the close game vs. Serbia, with no JC, and no Dwight. The ball was moving and we were shooting 3s. This edition of Gilas was the WORST ASSISTING TEAM in this tournament and at the bottom 5 in 3 pt shooting. We suck at defending the 3. Always a weakness of RP coaches since forever.

Yugo, Spain, USA ok. when has an RP team placed respectably in Asian or World competition. mention SEA Games and you really don't know basketball. Our last 2 silvers at the Asian level were with a foreign coach and a foreign defensive coach, who happened to be the same person. So we're trying to get coaches from Serbia (no Yugo anymore) and .... Ron Jacobs, Tim Cone, Norman Black ....

I really don't know if you're arguing for me or against me. You just proved what most people have been saying in this forum. but I'm pretty sure you aren't reading the arguments from the way you keep bringing up issues that have been answered already. So this is the last that I give you air time.

[JOI2dWorld]

Unleas something happened, im pretty sure this is for long term already. Maybe change with personnel but smc taking over was rumored since last year and we've some hints since thrn till now.

Smc has money and willing backer, so we should be happy on that bit. I wonder when and who will teplace panlilio? I like ctc, i dont want him getting panlilio's "hindi sya pinoy speech". And since long hair is the team manager, i hope we dont hear from bcap as well even if the nt coach is ctc.

Coach Tim has been coaching in the Philippines for more than 30 years and is already deeply assimilated to Philippine basketball a totally different case for other foreign coaches, and SMC group is one of the pioneers of hiring foreign coaches, NCC was handled by Ron Jacobs, Norman Black coached San Miguel before , they also hired Toroman and Purves as team consultants though that was during the time of Eala, i think if RSA will give it a yes AlPob will follow even if it will be against the will of his BCAP buddies

[sroth3839]

inferior local talent among the club teams? and in the case of smb and ros coaches who don't know their x's and o's?

do you really think a gilas lineup will get creamed in the easl or jones cup?

but anyway, so the consensus here is that to win we need a foreign coach? as simple as that?

You need the most qualified coach who knows the modern game to win. Fin

How many local coaches have the FIBA experience and actually play a modern 5-out motion offense? None. Chot is the closest but he opted to go ISO basketball in the WC.

People here don’t have a beef with pinoy coaches. They have a problem with their outdated tactics that overly rely on ISO ball.

Just look how we easily got manhandled by Italy and SSD once JC got shut down.

I don’t care who is the coach, local or foreign. I care if he is qualified to do the job.

Chot was obviously not the most qualified for the WC.

[paulrenzo]

People here don’t have a beef with pinoy coaches. They have a problem with their outdated tactics that overly rely on ISO ball.

This. Otherwise, we wouldn't be optimistic with the likes of Coaches Gold, Charles, or Aldin.

[Kaireem]

You need the most qualified coach who knows the modern game to win. Fin

How many local coaches have the FIBA experience and actually play a modern 5-out motion offense? None. Chot is the closest but he opted to go ISO basketball in the WC.

People here don’t have a beef with pinoy coaches. They have a problem with their outdated tactics that overly rely on ISO ball.

Just look how we easily got manhandled by Italy and SSD once JC got shut down.

I don’t care who is the coach, local or foreign. I care if he is qualified to do the job.

Chot was obviously not the most qualified for the WC.

why do we ignore the grey elephant? can no one really see it?

recent gilas success has been built on utilizing top tier nba naturalized players like blatche and clarkson

whether it be iso or the misunderstood euro style (we don't have the personnel to do that) or even the so called "korean style" (which we don't have enough shooters to execute) bottom line is local and filfor talent really just sucks compared to the competition, hence we are forced to be overeliant on imports - i mean naturalized players who are paid handsomely to bring us a win.

not only is there no shame in that but its something that needs no overanalyzing to death.

team oriented blah blah blah yet scottie thomposn can't even properly bring the balldown vs 5'6 dundao of angola

i have to say this - "pang pinoy lang" that's how to best describe our basketball skills

so imho opinion the problem is not really an overeliance on iso ball, its just that we only have the naturalized player who can go iso, but imagine if we had two such players then it won't be easy for defenses now right? now imagine if we had three? or four? or perhaps all our top 6 players have the ability to breakdown their defender one on one.

seriously if you had a mj, kobe and melo on the team don't tell me you won't maximize their iso capabilities? we just don't have the local and filfor talent for it .... the same way that we don't have the size, personnel and skill to play euroball.

hihihihi i'd rather utilize aldin ayo's mayhem defense to generate turnovers and feed a transition offense, with our skill set the only high percentage shot for us is a wide open all alone layup.

[sroth3839]

why do we ignore the grey elephant? can no one really see it?

recent gilas success has been built on utilizing top tier nba naturalized players like blatche and clarkson

whether it be iso or the misunderstood euro style (we don't have the personnel to do that) or even the so called "korean style" (which we don't have enough shooters to execute) bottom line is local and filfor talent really just sucks compared to the competition, hence we are forced to be overeliant on imports - i mean naturalized players who are paid handsomely to bring us a win.

not only is there no shame in that but its something that needs no overanalyzing to death.

team oriented blah blah blah yet scottie thomposn can't even properly bring the balldown vs 5'6 dundao of angola

i have to say this - "pang pinoy lang" that's how to best describe our basketball skills

so imho opinion the problem is not really an overeliance on iso ball, its just that we only have the naturalized player who can go iso, but imagine if we had two such players then it won't be easy for defenses now right? now imagine if we had three? or four? or perhaps all our top 6 players have the ability to breakdown their defender one on one.

seriously if you had a mj, kobe and melo on the team don't tell me you won't maximize their iso capabilities? we just don't have the local and filfor talent for it .... the same way that we don't have the size, personnel and skill to play euroball.

hihihihi i'd rather utilize aldin ayo's mayhem defense to generate turnovers and feed a transition offense, with our skill set the only high percentage shot for us is a wide open all alone layup.

So you’re solution is to just have more naturalized players? Right.

Don’t even give me that suggestion we can train local ballers to play like Naturalized because that’s simply not possible. NBA talent is built around individuals who won the genetic lottery. It’s like saying we can have 6 Wembanyamas by having training every 7’4 player in the country. Our 7’3 Kai Sotto can’t even make the 2nd Rd Draft Pick.

You’re a defeatist. We definitely have the size and skill to play team basketball with a 5-out motion offense. The problem is local coaches don’t want to because it’s a lot of work. Pinipilit ang last minute preps and forcing a team to play through talent. That’s not going to work and it’s been proven over and over again.

You sound like a typical tambay who doesn’t want to solve the problem and end the day with a “bahala na” attitude. Nandyan ang problema. Find a real solution.

Like I said, I don’t care if the coach is local or foreign. The right system has to be in place and the current one is anything but.

[r1ck]

why do we ignore the grey elephant? can no one really see it?

recent gilas success has been built on utilizing top tier nba naturalized players like blatche and clarkson

whether it be iso or the misunderstood euro style (we don't have the personnel to do that) or even the so called "korean style" (which we don't have enough shooters to execute) bottom line is local and filfor talent really just sucks compared to the competition, hence we are forced to be overeliant on imports - i mean naturalized players who are paid handsomely to bring us a win.

not only is there no shame in that but its something that needs no overanalyzing to death.

team oriented blah blah blah yet scottie thomposn can't even properly bring the balldown vs 5'6 dundao of angola

i have to say this - "pang pinoy lang" that's how to best describe our basketball skills

so imho opinion the problem is not really an overeliance on iso ball, its just that we only have the naturalized player who can go iso, but imagine if we had two such players then it won't be easy for defenses now right? now imagine if we had three? or four? or perhaps all our top 6 players have the ability to breakdown their defender one on one.

seriously if you had a mj, kobe and melo on the team don't tell me you won't maximize their iso capabilities? we just don't have the local and filfor talent for it .... the same way that we don't have the size, personnel and skill to play euroball.

hihihihi i'd rather utilize aldin ayo's mayhem defense to generate turnovers and feed a transition offense, with our skill set the only high percentage shot for us is a wide open all alone layup.

Oh so you consider Kouame as a top tier NBA level talent because when he played in the previous Olympic qualifier our national team was able to go toe to toe and barely lost to Serbia a certified top 4 team in the world got it hihihihi.

[sroth3839]

Oh so you consider Kouame as a top tier NBA level talent because when he played in the previous Olympic qualifier our national team was able to go toe to toe and barely lost to Serbia a certified top 4 team in the world got it hihihihi.

The more I read his comments, the more I realize he has nothing to contribute apart from “I don’t like foreign coaches”.

It’s obvious he doesn’t know shit.

[Kaireem]

So you’re solution is to just have more naturalized players? Right.

Don’t even give me that suggestion we can train local ballers to play like Naturalized because that’s simply not possible. NBA talent is built around individuals who won the genetic lottery. It’s like saying we can have 6 Wembanyamas by having training every 7’4 player in the country. Our 7’3 Kai Sotto can’t even make the 2nd Rd Draft Pick.

You’re a defeatist. We definitely have the size and skill to play team basketball with a 5-out motion offense. The problem is local coaches don’t want to because it’s a lot of work. Pinipilit ang last minute preps and forcing a team to play through talent. That’s not going to work and it’s been proven over and over again.

You sound like a typical tambay who doesn’t want to solve the problem and end the day with a “bahala na” attitude. Nandyan ang problema. Find a real solution.

Like I said, I don’t care if the coach is local or foreign. The right system has to be in place and the current one is anything but.

no, i basically just described the reality of the situation, that i understood why they had to play that way and the unrealistic calls and expectations to do euro style etc, etc,

did i categorically say to continue relying on naturalized players? better go back to grammar school and work on your reading comprehension.

if you bothered to read the last line of my post then you'd have an idea on what the "solution" is.

typical pinoy basketball hater, shoot first then ask questions later

[Kaireem]

Oh so you consider Kouame as a top tier NBA level talent because when he played in the previous Olympic qualifier our national team was able to go toe to toe and barely lost to Serbia a certified top 4 team in the world got it hihihihi.

oh the serbia without jokic and who got creamed by italy on their home soil? selective much?

but let me humor you oh genius .... takeout kouame from that team what will happen? hmmmmmm

colonial mentality is here to stay

[Kaireem]

i bet the reason why no one wants to see a "mayhem" style pinoy defense and offense is because it runs contrary to the organized euro style of play

same way conventional military tacticians frown on "guerilla tactics" - its a western/first world thing

will there be a risk of pinoys being referred to as uncivilized or barbaric if they go "guerilla warfare" on the basketball court?

or maybe because there's tons of social climbers here who would rather employ a western style than develop a "pinoy" style?

again colonial mentality lives on

[ja.he]

oh the serbia without jokic and who got creamed by italy on their home soil? selective much?

but let me humor you oh genius .... takeout kouame from that team what will happen? hmmmmmm

colonial mentality is here to stay

If we take Carlik Jones from South Sudan, RHJ from Jordan, Josh Hawkinson from Japan and every naturalized player from every national team out, it will also greatly affect their teams.

I don't get your logic. Naturalized players have played substantial roles in most national teams, not only for Gilas but for most national team in this world. Some will pan out like Carlik Jones and Josh Hawkinson, some did not like Kyle Anderson.