Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[ja.he]

For me, the short-term outlook (1-4 years) for our national team is mediocre at best. Like what a lot of you mentioned, there are holes to fill in the roster without a lot of noteworthy candidates.

What we do have however, is an exciting batch for the mid to long-term (5-10 years from now) with the likes of a peaking Edu, Tamayo, Amos, Bayla, Caelum, Lopez, etc. That batch has an abundance of bigs and skilled and long wings/guards. We have the ingredients (the players) and we have the time, let's not eff it up again.

Lets copy Taiwan and throw this group into the fire early. Have a long-term strategy for once and give these prospects early and meaningful experience. Sacrifice some of the meaningless tournament wins (like Sea Games) in order to develop this batch. And start having candidates for this batch regular practices (even if a few times a year) together now.

"One step backward, two steps forward."

Create a team B ala Taiwan. I have a set of players in mind already that can be team B:

C Michael Philips - 6'8
C Zain Mahmood - 6'6
F Alex Konov - 6'7
F LeBron Lopez - 6'6
F Caelum Harris - 6'6
F Bobby Mark Parks - 6'5
G SJ Moore - 6'2
G Andy Gemao - 6'1
G Jared Bahay - 5'9

[Supremo30]

Create a team B ala Taiwan. I have a set of players in mind already that can be team B:

C Michael Philips - 6'8
C Zain Mahmood - 6'6
F Alex Konov - 6'7
F LeBron Lopez - 6'6
F Caelum Harris - 6'6
F Bobby Mark Parks - 6'5
G SJ Moore - 6'2
G Andy Gemao - 6'1
G Jared Bahay - 5'9

Taiwan B Team won't work for us. Considering the names you mentioned, some of them are abroad based which make it harder for a call-up. And our college basketball is all year round which also make it difficult for those players to commit for the National team. That's why the 23for23 of Chot failed.

Unless, the SBP make a drastic change regarding how the college basketball will be run.

[Metta]

Taiwan B Team won't work for us. Considering the names you mentioned, some of them are abroad based which make it harder for a call-up. And our college basketball is all year round which also make it difficult for those players to commit for the National team. That's why the 23for23 of Chot failed.

Unless, the SBP make a drastic change regarding how the college basketball will be run.

Nothing will ever work for us if we keep things the same.

We need changes.

Yeng said it out loud. Change the rules/officiating/play-style, improve grassroots, improve coaching, change the economics of our pro league, etc.

[greenarcher]

The PBA and the collegiate leagues are allergic to change. Until these entities align their calendars to accommodate the FIBA tournaments, nothing will change. Changing the calendars is the 1st step.

The next step is how to create a program that guarantees poaching never happens. Given how "tuso" the Pinoy society is, trust is almost never given. History will tell you there have been countless poaching incidents both in the collegiate level and PBA once players either got coached by an opposing team's coach or when they hear the grass is greener on the other side. There is always an "angle" when dealing with Pinoys. There is always one party out to take advantage of the other. This makes real nationalism and unity difficult because entities will tend to protect their investments even if it means being selfish for national glory.

Our culture is all but designed to fail.

Who funds the NT program of Taiwan? Japan? European countries? We rely on private entities which is why vested interests will never be out of the equation.

We don't need foreign residents to compose a Team B. The UAAP is enough to fill a Team B. But it will never happen until the problems above are solved.

[IPC]

All the asian teams were realistically expecting just one win in the group stages.

For Japan, Finland was the team they gunned for while it should be ANG for us.

Japan chose to make their games more about offense. Like I've said even before the World Cup, they play five out and will live and die by the three. That style puts you in a risk of getting blown out.

Our games on the other hand was always, make the game an ugly drawn-out and physical game. That type of game tends to have closer scores.

At the end of the day, their chosen strategy got them that one win in the group stage and ours did not.

Also, the type of identity that Japan basketball requires is a wholistic overhaul of their entire system. You need good grassroots to develop players that will fit their system. So aside from that win against FIN, the fact that they developed homegrown NBA players and D1 players is part of their success.

I think we can still win with an ugly, drawn-out, and physical game. Just complement it with a functioning offense and smart defensive rotations. The Bad Boy Pistons had a good offense as well, and were smart defensive players.

We just need to adapt that style to a working model in FIBA.

[Metta]

I think we can still win with an ugly, drawn-out, and physical game. Just complement it with a functioning offense and smart defensive rotations. The Bad Boy Pistons had a good offense as well, and were smart defensive players.

We just need to adapt that style to a working model in FIBA.

My point was about why our game seemed to be close and why Japan had blowouts. Style affects point differential.

On whether that style is effective, yes of course a defensive style is very effective. But defense needs speed (at all positions), length, athleticism and strength. Just look at how our bigs performed defensively. Players needed to play that type of style doesn't grow abundantly in our trees. On the other hand, do we have short players like Japan...

[r1ck]

Create a team B ala Taiwan. I have a set of players in mind already that can be team B:

C Michael Philips - 6'8
C Zain Mahmood - 6'6
F Alex Konov - 6'7
F LeBron Lopez - 6'6
F Caelum Harris - 6'6
F Bobby Mark Parks - 6'5
G SJ Moore - 6'2
G Andy Gemao - 6'1
G Jared Bahay - 5'9

I dont think Harris, Konov and Mahmood are viable right now because they are based abroad but we have more than enough young and promising players to form a team B.

GUARDS:
Jerom Lastimosa
Evan Nelle
Forthsky Padrigao
Andy Gemao
SJ Moore
Jared Bahay
Kurt Reyson
Nic Cabanero
Renzo Competente

FORWARDS:
Mason Amos
Lebron Lopez
Kevin Quiambao
Cholo Anuneuvo
Luis Pablo
Jonel Policarpio
Mark Belmonte
Chris Hubilla
Justin Sanchez

CENTERS:
Michael Philips
Seven Gagate
Geo Chui

[C2Hamm]

Sorry, what do you want our collegiate leagues to do? They already moved their calendar a few years back and how many times have they allowed sbp to use their players the past few years? Also, uaap/ncaa only manages their respective leagues. Those dont run the whole year but for a few months. If the school joins other leagues, why are we chasing these 2 entities?

[PaulLee3]

[BJ_Reloaded]

if that is so, she can reacquire her PH citizenship and the kids can acquire it after. but, since both kids are past their 16th bday, NP na sila under hagop rule.

Yes Sir that’s the current situation.

If our wishful thinking comes into a reality, 17 yr. old Dylan had a(more than) slim chance of getting an exemption if he acquire a PH Passport before turning 18 despite playing(already) in a sanctioned tournament as per FIBA Internal Regulations on Eligibility, National Status and Availability of Players Chapter 1 : Article 22. A player who has played for a national team in a main official competition of FIBA after having reached his or her seventeenth(17) birthday may not play for a national team of another country. However, in exceptional circumstances the Secretary General may authorize such a player to play for the national team of his or her country of origin, if this is in the interest of the development of basketball in this country.

As usual there’s an Administrative fee for such thing.(Request for Transfer)

As for RHJ well he’s already 23 so it’s impossible for him to re-consider as a local for now.

Watching the Harper family’s desire to someday be part of the national team and the mother’s take away on coaching a girls team here in the Philippines, I think as a sweetener inviting Maria Pizarro by our stakeholders here in the Philippines to see around for a basketball clinics for HS girls hopefully inviting her to be part of coaching staff for our girls team moving forward.

Sir one thing I’ve noticed during that Dec. 2021 Interview, even though the Harpers are not categorically saying it directly but deep inside they want to process everything but paperworks is a big challenge and if someone from the federation wants to assist well that lessen the burden.

Time Stamp 12:50 RHJ’s take away on obtaining a PH Passport and eventually play for Gilas
34:34 Parent’s plans to obtain Dylan’s PH Passport
40:20 coach Maria Pizarro’s desire to coach a girls team here in the Philippines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMA7j0EXfAk

[IPC]

would take 2-3 generations of social conditioning to phase out basketball as the country’s top sport. Lets be honest basketball is our national sport, not sepak takraw, our unique love and experience with it would take a china style cultural revolution for it to be displaced.

they didnt even wait for the tournament to end before they start to gaslight us with their narratives

This management is really comparable to the GarPax Bulls/Divac Kings. Screwing up with no direction.

[CoJ]

This management is really comparable to the GarPax Bulls/Divac Kings. Screwing up with no direction.

or the NY Knicks!, overspending for mediocrity yet thinking that they are championship contenders year in and out.

Im just sad that we are wasting this great generation of talent, we might never have the same talent pool again

[IPC]

or the NY Knicks!, overspending for mediocrity yet thinking that they are championship contenders year in and out.

Im just sad that we are wasting this great generation of talent, we might never have the same talent pool again

Knicks have a good youth movement, though. But yeah, not enough to be contenders, I feel. They're still behind Boston, Miami, and Milwaukee.

[IPC]

And I think that's game over. Congrats to Japan for getting the Olympic slot. Well deserved! Now that's how you handle a BASKETBALL PROGRAM. I wonder how Zairex feels as he keeps getting proven wrong.

Looks like Japan Basketball and B-League is doing the right improvements right? Meanwhile PBA and SBP is going straight down the gutter.

Japan makes me kinda jealous. They have a great program, good development, and an actual direction.

SBP leadership flat out sucks, and the PBA is becoming a farmers' league. Low-quality basketball now relatively. PBA players can't shake off bad habits like collapsing too much and being late on rotations.

[IPC]

Comment from Jinno Rufino: https://twitter.com/JinnoRufino/stat...980167150?s=20
"AJ, Rhenz, Dwight, Kai, JC Gilas players who play pro ball abroad leading the comeback."

Dwight and Rhenz proving that being the oldest league in Asia don't mean squat. Japan became our father today

That oldest league is now a farmers' league. At least the B.League is a good proving ground and a better league, at least for non-bigs.

I think this is a sign that we shouldn't be getting this many PBA players anymore for future events (only a few are serviceable in the future anyway). Focus on developing non-PBA players.