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  • Originally posted by sroth3839 View Post
    I consider the 2023 WC over despite the remaining classification games.

    The 2027 WC cycle is bound to start.

    What our future core should look like in a 9-man rotation:

    Starting 5:
    1-RJ
    2-Ramos
    3-Navarro
    4-Naturalized PF
    5-Edu

    Off the Bench:
    - Kai
    - Heading
    - Malonzo/Tamayo
    - Abando

    Brownlee can come in as a back up NP but we need to a naturalized PF and for us to move on from JC.

    Players I no longer want to see:
    - Pogoy
    - Japeth
    talk to USAB and fight for Mandaquit.
    WE DON'T COUNT YEARS, WE COUNT CENTURIES

    P. Noval, A.H. Lacson, Dapitan, Espanya
    SANTO TOMAS APAT NA DAAN

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    • Originally posted by CoJ View Post
      time for gilas to reboot and rebuild. No more puso and Reyeses please, need to overhaul SBP as well
      I agree. Any PBA person in an executive or decision-making position has to go after the Asian Games.

      Need another management. Time to allocate resources to youth development. The U16-U19 should be given priority.

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      • Originally posted by C2Hamm View Post

        talk to USAB and fight for Mandaquit.
        If possible request for the JJ kid, Dylan and hopefully our basketball stakeholder may convince as well Vyc and his rapper father to play for Gilas in preparation for the next cyle of the World Cup.
        As per FIBA’s provision, a young player(s) who already played for a sanctioned tournament but wishes to transfer to another National Federation must already acquired his/her Passport of that particular country he/she wishes to play for which on the part of the 16 yr. old JJ kid may not encountered too many challenges because the lad already obtained his PH docs before his 16th birthday therefore the possibility of playing as a local before he reach the age of 18.

        Sir I stand to be corrected on this, as for the 17 yr. old Dylan, the kid must also acquired his PH passport before his 18th birthday next year to be able to play as a local if ever he and his Filipina mother decided to change allegiance, I think as a sweetener, the National Federation may also convince his older brother Ron Jr. to play as a naturalized. The good thing about the Harpers is the fact that the father had already agreed that it would be an honor if his son decides to play for PH moving forward. what more if part of the deal is also his younger brother, that would be awesome if the two Harper boys plays for Gilas that would be awesome with addition of another Harper named Jayden whom already obtained his PH Passport a few days or weeks after his 16th birthday.

        As for Vyc Miller, if USA basketball hasn’t offer anything on the kid, it might as well talk to the rapper father and his Filipina mother if they are cool to convince their son to play for Gilas in preparation for the next FIBA World Cup. I don’t think it may pose any major challenges considering from a previous online interview Vyc already recognizes his Filipino side because his mom was a big influence to him by introducing the Filipino values.

        Forget this 2023 World Cup the current SBP’s main objection is to market and promote the Puso, Puso mantra of the Filipinos passion on the sports and forming a competitive team is just a sideshow for their own caprichos and it SUCKS!!

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        • Originally posted by BJ_Reloaded View Post

          If possible request for the JJ kid, Dylan and hopefully our basketball stakeholder may convince as well Vyc and his rapper father to play for Gilas in preparation for the next cyle of the World Cup.
          As per FIBA’s provision, a young player(s) who already played for a sanctioned tournament but wishes to transfer to another National Federation must already acquired his/her Passport of that particular country he/she wishes to play for which on the part of the 16 yr. old JJ kid may not encountered too many challenges because the lad already obtained his PH docs before his 16th birthday therefore the possibility of playing as a local before he reach the age of 18.

          Sir I stand to be corrected on this, as for the 17 yr. old Dylan, the kid must also acquired his PH passport before his 18th birthday next year to be able to play as a local if ever he and his Filipina mother decided to change allegiance, I think as a sweetener, the National Federation may also convince his older brother Ron Jr. to play as a naturalized. The good thing about the Harpers is the fact that the father had already agreed that it would be an honor if his son decides to play for PH moving forward. what more if part of the deal is also his younger brother, that would be awesome if the two Harper boys plays for Gilas that would be awesome with addition of another Harper named Jayden whom already obtained his PH Passport a few days or weeks after his 16th birthday.

          As for Vyc Miller, if USA basketball hasn’t offer anything on the kid, it might as well talk to the rapper father and his Filipina mother if they are cool to convince their son to play for Gilas in preparation for the next FIBA World Cup. I don’t think it may pose any major challenges considering from a previous online interview Vyc already recognizes his Filipino side because his mom was a big influence to him by introducing the Filipino values.

          Forget this 2023 World Cup the current SBP’s main objection is to market and promote the Puso, Puso mantra of the Filipinos passion on the sports and forming a competitive team is just a sideshow for their own caprichos and it SUCKS!!
          we probably have same info but yes to JJ's situation. nothing is easy but prioritize JJ because 1) his age, based on what you posted about the FIBA rules 2) there was rumor he already has a PH passport but USAB intervened and I cant fault the kid and 3) when he was here, it does look like he is cool to rep the country.

          I dont know about Vyc Miller except that he is from a rich family so although money would be important, we need to offer him something else. if he likes to rap or entertain on what not, opening the PH market would be a good start. i do not see how promoting his family's music would be a problem. if Pinoys like it good, if not, well extra fans still. i doubt no one will like what they have to offer. I use to listen to Lil Romeo though i dont see myself as a fan.

          Harper's wishful thinking at this point. like Jalen Green. if someone from SBP wants to have a go, i'll support. malay natin.wont have unreal expectation pero lets try. you wont KO someone out if you dont throw a punch.
          WE DON'T COUNT YEARS, WE COUNT CENTURIES

          P. Noval, A.H. Lacson, Dapitan, Espanya
          SANTO TOMAS APAT NA DAAN

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          • I just wish that after this 2023 World Cup debacle, there will be a significant drop in the PBA gate attendance, TV & social media following. I think its best that PBA, especially SMC & MVP groups, feel the backlash from the Philippine basketball community so that PBA may mend its ways & do what should be done for the betterment of Philippine basketball. Hindi yung puro self interest & greed yung nangingibabaw.
            "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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            • Originally posted by C2Hamm View Post

              we probably have same info but yes to JJ's situation. nothing is easy but prioritize JJ because 1) his age, based on what you posted about the FIBA rules 2) there was rumor he already has a PH passport but USAB intervened and I cant fault the kid and 3) when he was here, it does look like he is cool to rep the country.

              I dont know about Vyc Miller except that he is from a rich family so although money would be important, we need to offer him something else. if he likes to rap or entertain on what not, opening the PH market would be a good start. i do not see how promoting his family's music would be a problem. if Pinoys like it good, if not, well extra fans still. i doubt no one will like what they have to offer. I use to listen to Lil Romeo though i dont see myself as a fan.

              Harper's wishful thinking at this point. like Jalen Green. if someone from SBP wants to have a go, i'll support. malay natin.wont have unreal expectation pero lets try. you wont KO someone out if you dont throw a punch.
              Did our SBP pipol do enough to convince JJ Mandaquit to play for the Phi national team when Mandaquit was here for the NBTC tournament, or our SBP pipol just watched the ship pass by?
              "A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power, when you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin IV

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              • Originally posted by C2Hamm View Post

                we probably have same info but yes to JJ's situation. nothing is easy but prioritize JJ because 1) his age, based on what you posted about the FIBA rules 2) there was rumor he already has a PH passport but USAB intervened and I cant fault the kid and 3) when he was here, it does look like he is cool to rep the country.

                I dont know about Vyc Miller except that he is from a rich family so although money would be important, we need to offer him something else. if he likes to rap or entertain on what not, opening the PH market would be a good start. i do not see how promoting his family's music would be a problem. if Pinoys like it good, if not, well extra fans still. i doubt no one will like what they have to offer. I use to listen to Lil Romeo though i dont see myself as a fan.

                Harper's wishful thinking at this point. like Jalen Green. if someone from SBP wants to have a go, i'll support. malay natin.wont have unreal expectation pero lets try. you wont KO someone out if you dont throw a punch.
                Sir I think the main key here is legworks if only the SBP had a legit guy at the land of Uncle Sam to somehow assist the families on those paperworks that would solve majority of the problem because that’s the sentiment of Ron Sr. dealing with paperworks ate precious time and its tedious. as for Vyc's rapper father/producer, music is one of the best way to start the conversation, I think the OG is fully aware of the Filipino talents why not offer him something from the local industry there's a lot of super talented underground rapper all over that needs some breaks and attention..that would be a good move in my opinion.

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                • Originally posted by BJ_Reloaded View Post

                  Sir I think the main key here is legworks if only the SBP had a legit guy at the land of Uncle Sam to somehow assist the families on those paperworks that would solve majority of the problem because that’s the sentiment of Ron Sr. dealing with paperworks ate precious time and its tedious. as for Vyc's rapper father/producer, music is one of the best way to start the conversation, I think the OG is fully aware of the Filipino talents why not offer him something from the local industry there's a lot of super talented underground rapper all over that needs some breaks and attention..that would be a good move in my opinion.
                  i dont know how the paperwork issue goes so cant comment. my cousin is still part of the consulate all his life and the only thing he told me before was as long as you have proof that one of the parent was still Pinoy at time of birth, process is easy. If no parent, then proof of one of the grand parent, then the child of the grandparent need to reacquire. problem there is if you go beyond that or the grandparent has died. that bit, i dont know how SBP can help because its literally looking for documents already. i dont know if there is a way to get someone at NSA to help , pero if we are talking about who is died already, I dont know how that person can reacquire his citizenship. IPC is studying law i think, so he can comment.

                  useful link -> https://philippineembassy-dc.org/dua...0their%20birth.
                  WE DON'T COUNT YEARS, WE COUNT CENTURIES

                  P. Noval, A.H. Lacson, Dapitan, Espanya
                  SANTO TOMAS APAT NA DAAN

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                  • Originally posted by BJ_Reloaded View Post
                    Sir I think the main key here is legworks if only the SBP had a legit guy at the land of Uncle Sam to somehow assist the families on those paperworks that would solve majority of the problem because that’s the sentiment of Ron Sr. dealing with paperworks ate precious time and its tedious. as for Vyc's rapper father/producer, music is one of the best way to start the conversation, I think the OG is fully aware of the Filipino talents why not offer him something from the local industry there's a lot of super talented underground rapper all over that needs some breaks and attention..that would be a good move in my opinion.
                    Originally posted by C2Hamm View Post
                    i dont know how the paperwork issue goes so cant comment. my cousin is still part of the consulate all his life and the only thing he told me before was as long as you have proof that one of the parent was still Pinoy at time of birth, process is easy. If no parent, then proof of one of the grand parent, then the child of the grandparent need to reacquire. problem there is if you go beyond that or the grandparent has died. that bit, i dont know how SBP can help because its literally looking for documents already. i dont know if there is a way to get someone at NSA to help , pero if we are talking about who is died already, I dont know how that person can reacquire his citizenship. IPC is studying law i think, so he can comment.

                    useful link -> https://philippineembassy-dc.org/dual-citizenship-application/#:~:text=Natural%2Dborn%20Filipino%20citizens%20ar e,the%20time%20of%20their%20birth.
                    ja.he has just been admitted to the bar, if I recall. He can also comment and counter-check.

                    On my end, relevant law is RA 9225. Section 2 states that any "unmarried child, whether legitimate, illegitimate or adopted, below eighteen (18) years of age, of those who re-acquire Philippine citizenship upon effectivity of this Act shall be deemed citizenship of the Philippines." I think what the parent needs is the birth certificate, from reading the IRR. If the parent is abroad, you need "he original copy of the Report of Birth issued by the Philippine Foreign Post and in applicable cases, the Bith Certicate issued by competent foreign authorities."

                    I think you need the parent to reacquire citizenship, then the kid acquires the parent's citizenship. Law mentions no other relative.

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                    • As far as I know the mother of the Harper boys was Philippine born so birth certificate of the parent are ain't a problem but I think the other challenge was she is already an American citizen when she gave birth to those lads.

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                      • Originally posted by BJ_Reloaded View Post
                        As far as I know the mother of the Harper boys was Philippine born so birth certificate of the parent are ain't a problem but I think the other challenge was she is already an American citizen when she gave birth to those lads.
                        if that is so, she can reacquire her PH citizenship and the kids can acquire it after. but, since both kids are past their 16th bday, NP na sila under hagop rule.
                        WE DON'T COUNT YEARS, WE COUNT CENTURIES

                        P. Noval, A.H. Lacson, Dapitan, Espanya
                        SANTO TOMAS APAT NA DAAN

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                        • Originally posted by zuma169 View Post
                          well people here has said it, this is not the case as Tab still recognizes PBA players are needed for talent to form the best team possible..

                          In my opinion, Tab is a coach period.. no matter who his players are... but he cannot be the program director.. if he has full control probably he can but the reality is he has multiple stakeholders to deal with and he doesn't want the stress of politics and being politically correct with dealing with them.. hence just leaving... which I think was the right thing to do for him... in short, Tab is just a no nonsense basketball tactician that will get the job done on the court.. all the politics he had or will experience he wants out of it.. again my opinion not fact.. his bro analyzed can confirm this most likely..

                          I really thought it was a mistake for Tab to be the Program Director as I felt he was at his best position to just be the coach of the Gilas.. because no matter the players given to him he can work his magic.. but being the program director would entail a whole lot of responsibility in a holistic approach.. for me, I thought it was better if Chot was the Program Director and the one to unifiy all stakeholders and Tab to be the one executing the program.. just me..
                          Yeah, that could have been a feasible approach. Tab recommended Chot, and the two have a good relationship.

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                          • Originally posted by C2Hamm View Post
                            ill let the others answer. im not too particular with who the coach is. i just want whoever handles Gilas gets enough time to build his team and not get politicized. i understand not all players will be available so the most the stakeholders can do is lend their players and give whatever requirement they want and stick with it so whoever the coach can plan ahead.

                            the only ax i have with CCR is the drama he brings. this includes the kwentong gilas. interviews with the repeated no excuses but throws 2-3 excuses in the same breath, the learning experience statements. if we loose, we loose bawi tayo next time. but that has nothing to do with coaching, so going back, i dont have preference with the coach, get the best we can and really let the coach do his thing.
                            Originally posted by Kaireem View Post
                            fair enough, agree with you really that whoever will be in charge moving forward shall have more flexibility and independence to shape gilas based on how he sees fit.
                            We need a new program director, and we need a new coach. Both should be good. Ideally, program director's a competent foreigner (Euro or Latin America) with an emphasis on youth, and new coach can be anyone competent. Let the program director build the roster, coaching staff, and the youth development program.

                            As for play style, I don't care if we play ugly, as long as we win, and we make it ugly for the opponent (actually making it ugly for the opponent should be one of the hallmarks of our play style). Incorporate principles of ball movement. It's not about aesthetics, it's about getting in a position and creating positions where it's easier to score and getting the ball there.

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                            • Maybe we should develop an offensive system which emphasizes position, penetration, and passing.

                              Position: Players should be able to move to get to positions where they can score more easily, or where they can help their teammates. Cut, move to open space, set picks, space the floor.
                              Penetration: Penetration forces rotations, which open up space for teammates. It can be off the catch, off a pick-and-roll, from transition, or from 1-on-1 actions.
                              Passing: Ball moves more quickly than the player. The goal of passing is to get to the player with the best available shot, usually the one that is most open, or the one that has the best chance to score.

                              I just based this off the 3P's of Johan Cruyff and Pep Guardiola in football: possession, position, pressing. Passing to the one best positioned to receive it, then progress to the opponent's goal.

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                              • Originally posted by Rds View Post
                                Chot has thick skin. He knows his style is a shortcut of sorts. He knows he has to do it to work around PBA's demands on schedule. He also knows it could backfire very bad. I think our prep system is bad. It's actually about PBA and it's strict scheduling and their demands they be relevant (Tab was going to move on if they didn't support him). Chot knows what he was getting into. If he didn't accept the job who knows SBP would have no choice but to go with Nenad or worse go back to Tab. Not much PBA support. But with how this WC has been going do we really need much PBA support?
                                I actually have the same question. Do we really need the PBA? Only indispensable players now are Malonzo and Navarro, because they're the ones that are hard to replace for now.

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