Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[digitalsuperman]

He is not a good fit. I agree that they should not get him again. Use his salary for real development and training camps.

they put too much premium on him as an nba player. sbp did negotiate for him to come and practice with the team early but jc's team insist he doesnt have to. now here we are all iso on him and tons of turnovers.

[JOI2dWorld]

It is not the pinoy nt coaching job that is vacant. It is coachoturnover who is mentally vacant. The court tragedy unfolded exactly as i identified earlier as too obvious. Coachot select players who can stand him. And clearly, his sets never considered the bad turnovers he somehow cannot correct.

The perimeter game is barangay pba style, which is the same as in the 1960s and 1970s. Competent big and good shooting sfs like baltazar and tamayo amazingly were not included. Volume shooters like heading, wright or bolick were stunningly excluded, probably to keep the coach favorite ravenas and pogoy in the pool. The coaches forgot again that they were playing fiba patriot games, not pba entertainment skits.

With luck, we may not see again the self-promoting, incompetent father and son coaches again. They should drop the irritating memes of gilas and puso. There was nothing kagilalas-gilalas: in the mentality they can produce, and the heart never really showed up. Some college coaches are better than coachot already. Yeng guiao at least was honest enough to say pinoy baller thinking and style has been left behind.

Tamayo and Heading were included in the pool but begged off due to "injury" but some people think that its because they are not shoo ins so why waste time joining the build up instead of resting and heal from their injury, plus Chot is an insufferable whiny coach who will throw his players under the bus when the going gets tough, he did it with Douthit during the 2014 Asian games, it's like him already making a narrative of excuse if in case the team sucked without his savior Blatche after good performances in the world cup, Chot is just an example of being a loyal lackey of the boss that will get rewarded, even after several failures, the guy cannot just live without the limelight, i remember he quit as the coach of TNT to retire then give the reigns of gilas to Tab, after the 2016 OQT he resurfaced again to be the coach in the qualifiers for the 2019 world cup if not for the brawl he will be our coach in the 2019 edition, then he retired again as a coach and after the effect of the fiasco died down, he returned as the coach of TNT won them a finals after a six year drought, then took again the coaching job from Tab, let's say if Tab quit and if he has delicadeza he should have just refused the offer to coach and just help SBP to find a suitable replacement but no as if he schemed to get the position back, and from his statement that judge me after the world cup the mokong has become over confident thinking that the homecourt advantage is enough to cover for his deficiencies , he will not let the chance of being the coach to brought back the Philippines to olympics even if the entire program will be sacrifice just to boost his ego, good thing its all backfiring , i think he's the only coach of the Philippines national team that being booed by the fans at home in multiple ocasssions, he must add it to his twitter bio too

[JOI2dWorld]

He is not a good fit. I agree that they should not get him again. Use his salary for real development and training camps.

With the resources of Japan and South Korea they still opted to naturalized a player that is more familiar with their leagues and players and do not salivate on nba players, yes Japan has 2 nba players already and might not need to naturalized another one but if they want to be much stronger they can really do it but they choose fit and availability than luxury, and look at china naturalized someone from the nba instead of those americans who are already playing in CBA and instead of elevating them they looked worse than the previous world cup,

[OverratedTabBaldwin]

Even weirder if anyone did any type of proper scouting, they would have realized that Angola's PG is short, quick and is a menace on ballhandlers. Angola was the one game that we had a chance of winning way before the tournament started (no one predicted how close DR game would be) so we should have focused on constructing a roster to beat Angola.

And Baldwin called it correctly before the game, Angola's physical and athletic bigs will make it hard to score inside so we would need to do a good job with our 3's. Again, proper scouting would have enabled us to choose the optimal players/gameplan. Did we even have a gameplan?

4/22 in threes. We missed 18 threes of which a lot were open. We only make a quarter of those misses (still a bad percentage) and that would have been already enough to put us on top.

Agreed on all points

[Rds]

Chot is just the symptom of what is bad in PH basket. The SBP and SMC guys think that its just an old boys club. They think they can keep their PBA schedule and still make papogi in the world stage. When witholding PBA players did not work they just kicked out Tab using a flimsy excuse.

Now some of the things Tab was preparing for are coming to light. Distributed creation. Bigger creators. Focus on defense.

Its clear that the PBA competition and calls is inadequate prep for the Fiba. Its clear that the qualifiers is the venue to not only develop chemistry within the pool but more importantly the skills development needed for WC success.

Chot only realized that he need CJ to be traines as PG only 2 weeks before the WC when Tab has been doing it since 2020. He also has been developing mobile and switchable bigs.

The PH system relies on pakikisama and not hurting feelings. Maybe they can still win but the bitter loss against Angola, a team that they shouldve been preparing for months ago, proves it is wrong.

PH ball should be ready to make painful and hard decisions. We shouldnt have brought 4 centers. Japeth or JF shouldve stayed home in favor of Balti or a similar type player. Pogoy shldve stayed for Wright. Scottie for Bollick. Kiefer vs RJ should have been considered.

A true pool should have been made without guaranteed slots. The NP shouldve practiced earlier and not the Brownlee BS. We shouldve figured out the best team to send through the qualifiers and months of practice not just 1 month. It is painful and will eat out schedules but it is the only way to do it.

The on paper best collection of eligible PH talents ever might just perform the same as the rushed Yeng team. What a waste.

[Metta]

For me our problem is, we have the wrong goals. Every time there is a tournament, our only goal is to win that particular tournament/game.

It is very similar to a student that only studies the night before an exam. The only goal is to pass the test and not to really learn. The right method should be to nurture a real desire for learning and studying habitually. You do that and the results will follow.

We get lucky once in a while and pass a test by cramming but in reality we are not learning anything and not getting better long term.

[IPC]

Like I've mentioned in another thread, our problem is we only put winning a game as our goal. Instead of improving the overall quality of our basketball program/system first.

Japan did it correctly, they chose a system/identity and did a wholistic approach towards making that system work. The goal was not immediate wins. The goal was to get better overall: grassroots development, pro league development, etc. Then slowly, the effectiveness of that approach showed like in coming up with homegrown nba players and D1 players, a better pro league, etc.

The win will follow, which it finally did. But no matter what happens going forward, there's no denying that they have raised their quality.

Tab was doing everything right until SBP abruptly pulled the plug.

SBP removing Tab as program director 18 months before the WC, and the resulting lack of continuity and identity, is Exhibit "A" of why these SBP officials must not continue, and why the PBA should not be hijacking the program, or running it instead of being just a contributor.

[ARMIR]

SBP removing Tab as program director 18 months before the WC, and the resulting lack of continuity and identity, is Exhibit "A" of why these SBP officials must not continue, and why the PBA should not be hijacking the program, or running it instead of being just a contributor.

That's what the PBA should only be doing is to contribute players that is needed to beef up Gilas and lend an assistant coach or two.

[Kaireem]

just curious, is there really any nt that say trains for at least 6 months every year or is the current blue print now is to put together a team within 1-2 months before a tournament?

in the 80s the ncc program of danding c was together all year round but that was because they gave the players pba money. its also the same strategy that rajko's gilas teams employed in 2008-2011 which was to sign the top non-PBA prospects to 3 year contracts to focus on the national team. but it seems this has been abandoned by the sbp after rajko was sacked.

[Kaireem]

SBP removing Tab as program director 18 months before the WC, and the resulting lack of continuity and identity, is Exhibit "A" of why these SBP officials must not continue, and why the PBA should not be hijacking the program, or running it instead of being just a contributor.

did they really remove him or did he resign? or is the truth somewhere in between?

[IPC]

did they really remove him or did he resign? or is the truth somewhere in between?

He stepped down as head coach, but as program director, Tab said to I think Eala that SBP didn't want Chot as coach and Tab as program director, as their philosophies would conflict, so most probably SBP just went ahead and put Chot as permanent HC and program director.

[greenarcher]

Yeah Africans are getting better at ball...Ppl don't want to admit it but race and genetics do matter. That's why these African countries can keep producing talent while Asia rarely has an NBA talent even though Asia has more structured pro leagues and attract big stars.

Blacks are tall, lengthy and athletic. Whites slightly less athletic but they are tallest and have solid strong builds which allow for physical games. Asians are the shortest least athletic and physical. We are not suited for world level ball. After so many years we still suck at ball.

We have the most half-bloods among Asians. If our country was ran like Qatar, Jordan or China, I'm sure all our half-bloods would get their passports before 16.

All the national body has to do is to coordinate the recruiting of high schools and colleges with DFA. Passports galore. Heck there already is a Fil-Am Nation Select. Isn't that enough spoonfeeding? All DFA and the Philippine Embassy has to do is give away damn passports! Who cares what Jalen Green and RHJ decides eventually, just give them their passports and bahala na.

Our basketball is like our country, the resources are there for the picking but the management/government is too f|cking incompetent, corrupt and selfish.

For a well-connected guy like MVP and RSA, I don't know what's stopping them from accomplishing this.

DAdmiral

[shootingbwakaw]

just curious, is there really any nt that say trains for at least 6 months every year or is the current blue print now is to put together a team within 1-2 months before a tournament?

in the 80s the ncc program of danding c was together all year round but that was because they gave the players pba money. its also the same strategy that rajko's gilas teams employed in 2008-2011 which was to sign the top non-PBA prospects to 3 year contracts to focus on the national team. but it seems this has been abandoned by the sbp after rajko was sacked.

guess who had a hand in Rajko's sacking. (I heard rumors). Every National coach sacking had his paw prints on it somehow. He was described by a poster as "whinier and has a more punchable face."

[C2Hamm]

just curious, is there really any nt that say trains for at least 6 months every year or is the current blue print now is to put together a team within 1-2 months before a tournament?

i am not a good source but if you check the tops teams, except USA, most team will just build a team a few months before the tournament. the huge difference is that pool of players the NT picks from (majority) has played with one another already (previous qualifiers as an example). some even are teammates from youth team. so even if you actually build it a few months prior, nagkaamuyan na even before.

[JAMSKIE]

i am not a good source but if you check the tops teams, except USA, most team will just build a team a few months before the tournament. the huge difference is that pool of players the NT picks from (majority) has played with one another already (previous qualifiers as an example). some even are teammates from youth team. so even if you actually build it a few months prior, nagkaamuyan na even before.

That is what I've been implying. The players of other countries who made it to the World Cup final rosters are regular fixtures of their respective national teams who have played in the window qualifiers & actual FIBA tournaments (like the Asia Cup, Euro Cup, African Cup), hence there's already a built in chemistry among the national team players. These players play for their respective national team in say a 4 to 5 year cycle, hence resulting to an established cohesion.