Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[C2Hamm]

Thing is, are these coaches in the BCAP circle? That aside, yep, our promising coaches should be exposed and made assistants to veteran FIBA coaches like Nenad.

correct me if im wrong, but most professional coaches in the Philippines is under BCAP. the foreign coaches should have been allowed by BCAP thats why most foreign bball coaches are tagged as consultant to go around this. i dont think coaching amateur team are affected (CTB). also, CYG already mentioned before, BCAP is not against hiring foreign coaches. but there really is no plan how to elevate coaching in the Philippines after the said coach leaves. how many asst did Coach Rajko have who is a head coach currently? I only know of Coach Charles who is active, no more allan gregorio, oliver bunyi (i think asst somewhere?), jude roque? how about Dickel? Compton and Ravena i think, they did some short runs but wala na din.

so i guess, BCAP has legit concerns. pro teams getting these "better coaches" and yet local coaches dont seem to get enough exposure to learn and actually apply what they learn. just for discussion, whoever the next group to handle SBP. can we have a setup of getting a foreign coach for the first 2 years with multiple local asst and maybe 1 of his choosing (regardless if local or not) and after 2 years, moves to a consultant or team manager while the best assistant takes over as HC? the asst should handle the youth and womnes team? i dont know if that will fly but you keep the foreign coach, in paper you eventually get a local coach once WC comes around, and the process to go there should net you atleast 3 local coaches with a good start in terms of FIBA experienc (2 youth teams and 1 senior) maybe someone has a better idea pero we need something to actually help coaching in the Philippines.

[IPC]

correct me if im wrong, but most professional coaches in the Philippines is under BCAP. the foreign coaches should have been allowed by BCAP thats why most foreign bball coaches are tagged as consultant to go around this. i dont think coaching amateur team are affected (CTB). also, CYG already mentioned before, BCAP is not against hiring foreign coaches. but there really is no plan how to elevate coaching in the Philippines after the said coach leaves. how many asst did Coach Rajko have who is a head coach currently? I only know of Coach Charles who is active, no more allan gregorio, oliver bunyi (i think asst somewhere?), jude roque? how about Dickel? Compton and Ravena i think, they did some short runs but wala na din.

so i guess, BCAP has legit concerns. pro teams getting these "better coaches" and yet local coaches dont seem to get enough exposure to learn and actually apply what they learn. just for discussion, whoever the next group to handle SBP. can we have a setup of getting a foreign coach for the first 2 years with multiple local asst and maybe 1 of his choosing (regardless if local or not) and after 2 years, moves to a consultant or team manager while the best assistant takes over as HC? the asst should handle the youth and womnes team? i dont know if that will fly but you keep the foreign coach, in paper you eventually get a local coach once WC comes around, and the process to go there should net you atleast 3 local coaches with a good start in terms of FIBA experienc (2 youth teams and 1 senior) maybe someone has a better idea pero we need something to actually help coaching in the Philippines.

Yeng is absolutely correct, need a plan how to elevate coaching in the Philippines after the foreign coach leaves. Most teams hire a foreign coach just to win, not to teach the locals.

I think I agree with your proposal as to developing coaches. Need to develop a wide coaching base.

[ARMIR]

Yeng is absolutely correct, need a plan how to elevate coaching in the Philippines after the foreign coach leaves. Most teams hire a foreign coach just to win, not to teach the locals.

I think I agree with your proposal as to developing coaches. Need to develop a wide coaching base.

Why not send some talented college coaches to be an assistant coach in a US NCAA Div1 school for starters,even just 1 or 2 coaches a year should make a difference.Pro assistant coaches at Gleague,Summer League or even in Australian NBL,that should elevate somewhat the basketball knowledge of some coaches,they can pass this down with their own basketball clinics.

[IPC]

Why not send some talented college coaches to be an assistant coach in a US NCAA Div1 school for starters,even just 1 or 2 coaches a year should make a difference.Pro assistant coaches at Gleague,Summer League or even in Australian NBL,that should elevate somewhat the basketball knowledge of some coaches,they can pass this down with their own basketball clinics.

Coaches have to be given offers, though. And even references. Maybe Rajko can call friends in Europe and recommend the locals here to serve as part of the staff there?

[JAMSKIE]

Hope Caleum Harris turns out to be the small forward we have been looking for Gilas: good size (at least 6-foot-5), athletic (in the same level as Gabe Norwood, Danny Seigle, Kelly Williams), skilled (decent handles & has a reliable outside shot & a good passer as well) & of course a good defender (within the level of a prime Gabe Norwood).

[ARMIR]

Coaches have to be given offers, though. And even references. Maybe Rajko can call friends in Europe and recommend the locals here to serve as part of the staff there?

Or you can ask just like Jimmy,besides with connections in the NBA and US NCAA,they do have programs for foreign coaches to apply as an unpaid assistant,its harder to get to Europe but in the USA its probably more a possibility.

[C2Hamm]

Or you can ask just like Jimmy,besides with connections in the NBA and US NCAA,they do have programs for foreign coaches to apply as an unpaid assistant,its harder to get to Europe but in the USA its probably more a possibility.

Coach Jimmy is an American who is of Filipino heritage. He has roots in the US. if you send local coaches to be unpaid asst, where will they live? how will they eat? someone will sponsor? everytime we want someone to sponsor someone else, we should always think that this gratitude needs to be repaid. im not saying im against this, but i think there is a missing step and then we can do this. i dont what it is, ill just go with, you need the applying coach to show he has some coaching skills that is of use. so that will circle back with somehow giving a chance to local coaches to show their wares internationally, and then your suggestion to apply kahit asst with some team.

[ARMIR]

Coach Jimmy is an American who is of Filipino heritage. He has roots in the US. if you send local coaches to be unpaid asst, where will they live? how will they eat? someone will sponsor? everytime we want someone to sponsor someone else, we should always think that this gratitude needs to be repaid. im not saying im against this, but i think there is a missing step and then we can do this. i dont what it is, ill just go with, you need the applying coach to show he has some coaching skills that is of use. so that will circle back with somehow giving a chance to local coaches to show their wares internationally, and then your suggestion to apply kahit asst with some team.

Unpaid assistant by the school,but the sponsor from the Philippines will shoulder the everyday necesities,the school usually have them living in the HC homes,or the dorms,its not the individual that's going to initiate the contact of course,its the Philippine organziation,SBP,UAAP even young PBA assistant coaches.When you watched the US NCAA,the analyst on tv never fail to mention that so called schools have a foreign coach named,blah,blah,blah for 5-12 games,etc.

[C2Hamm]

Unpaid assistant by the school,but the sponsor from the Philippines will shoulder the everyday necesities,the school usually have them living in the HC homes,or the dorms,its not the individual that's going to initiate the contact of course,its the Philippine organziation,SBP,UAAP even young PBA assistant coaches.When you watched the US NCAA,the analyst on tv never fail to mention that so called schools have a foreign coach named,blah,blah,blah for 5-12 games,etc.

that would be sweet if we can get 2-3 local coaches under this setup and ensure they go home atleast once a year to teach as well and once confident, give them a chance to handle a team.

[Rds]

correct me if im wrong, but most professional coaches in the Philippines is under BCAP. the foreign coaches should have been allowed by BCAP thats why most foreign bball coaches are tagged as consultant to go around this. i dont think coaching amateur team are affected (CTB). also, CYG already mentioned before, BCAP is not against hiring foreign coaches. but there really is no plan how to elevate coaching in the Philippines after the said coach leaves. how many asst did Coach Rajko have who is a head coach currently? I only know of Coach Charles who is active, no more allan gregorio, oliver bunyi (i think asst somewhere?), jude roque? how about Dickel? Compton and Ravena i think, they did some short runs but wala na din.

so i guess, BCAP has legit concerns. pro teams getting these "better coaches" and yet local coaches dont seem to get enough exposure to learn and actually apply what they learn. just for discussion, whoever the next group to handle SBP. can we have a setup of getting a foreign coach for the first 2 years with multiple local asst and maybe 1 of his choosing (regardless if local or not) and after 2 years, moves to a consultant or team manager while the best assistant takes over as HC? the asst should handle the youth and womnes team? i dont know if that will fly but you keep the foreign coach, in paper you eventually get a local coach once WC comes around, and the process to go there should net you atleast 3 local coaches with a good start in terms of FIBA experienc (2 youth teams and 1 senior) maybe someone has a better idea pero we need something to actually help coaching in the Philippines.

I don't really understand how this is feasible. Are foreign coaches and their employers required to produce good local coaches? The Philippine government cant even absorb technologies from the 40 or 50 year old PEZA companies that they subsidized taxes on. You expect local universities and companies to absorb the ability of good international coaches?

The thing is this is impossible if how basketball played locally is incompatible with that played internationally. There is only one foreign coach that was effective locally, Ron Jacobs, and I don't think remember his tactics being something we can apply against international teams. Ok, let's let the Bull Nelso Asaytono score 30 pts and let others focus on D.

The problem with BCAP is that it is preventing foreign coaches from being hired because of something that they are only a small part of. Let PBA change its style to be more competitive internationally, then our local coaches can apply things they learned from foreign coaches. Good international coaches like Goorjan, complain on how whistles are different in the PBA than everywhere in the world. Fix that first.

Even Tab I don't think has produced a good protege. But that is not necessarily bad. Tab has forced the other schools to upgrade their coaching talent and also forced these coaches to up their game. Coaches like Aldin Ayo, Goldwin and now Topex.

I think the BCAP's requirement is misguided. It is barking up the wrong tree. It is not the foreign coaches fault that our professional league's level is subpar. It is the professional league's fault itself.

[ARMIR]

that would be sweet if we can get 2-3 local coaches under this setup and ensure they go home atleast once a year to teach as well and once confident, give them a chance to handle a team.

I would love to see at least 2 different coaches every year to have at least 12 games in the US NCAA Div1,or Gleague,or even 4 games of Summer League,a whole season at an NBL team would be really nice.

[JOI2dWorld]

Unpaid assistant by the school,but the sponsor from the Philippines will shoulder the everyday necesities,the school usually have them living in the HC homes,or the dorms,its not the individual that's going to initiate the contact of course,its the Philippine organziation,SBP,UAAP even young PBA assistant coaches.When you watched the US NCAA,the analyst on tv never fail to mention that so called schools have a foreign coach named,blah,blah,blah for 5-12 games,etc.

find someone in the philippines that will sponsor someone that he will not bring to a team or college that he is also affiliated with, that is the reason why we cannot develop someone to be world class that is a homegrown because sponsors will not spend big money only for other organizations from another country will reap the benefits

[C2Hamm]

Even Tab I don't think has produced a good protege. But that is not necessarily bad. Tab has forced the other schools to upgrade their coaching talent and also forced these coaches to up their game. Coaches like Aldin Ayo, Goldwin and now Topex.
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Coach topex is ctbs assistant. Ctb was also a consultant of ccr during the 2014 wc run if im not mistaken.

But like i said, bcap is mostly influencing foreign coaches of pro teams. And you are right, PBa should adjust. But we all know they wont. Not yet anyway. So if we need to force more collegiate and hs coaches to level up, than thats what we need to do.

[IPC]

everyone not only ballers think about the money, let's not pretend that we will not also jump at the chance to earn a lot even if it means sacrificing a future (like a certain med student who opted to play pro ball and who is now a hofer)
im also not that high on euro style only because we don't have the size to run it, i wonder if you noticed that chot was running plays from spain on offense? our ball handlers and cutters just didn't have quite the strength and length to execute it properly. better we develop our own style really just like when the warriors turned the nba upside down and influenced everyone to run offenses from the perimeter instead of the post.

Early offense, transition offense style, that's the fast pace everyone wants. Attack before the defense is set. Have a quick play from second 24 to 18, then transition to your sets, which should give our guys freedom to create, but the others should move as well. Get to open spots, cut, or set picks.

I still think we play best playing ugly basketball. Force opponents to shoot bricks. Hustle for loose balls and on defensive rotations.

chot needs to watch tape of aldin ayo's teams, kidding aside i agree with you, the point is why adopt a system used by others? that means the objective is to outmaster the incumbent in the use of the system? good luck, that will take decades to do if ever.

I think we should be shifting the focus to defense. Offense, as long as it's workable and it can utilize the strengths of every player.

[Kaireem]

I think we should be shifting the focus to defense. Offense, as long as it's workable and it can utilize the strengths of every player.

the more we will need role players in the team unless we prioritize two way players over a couple of offensive stars