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  • Our problem with the 3 position would have been solved if Kobe Paras had the face of Barroca.
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    • Originally posted by ARMIR View Post


      A natural 3 with good size is the key to having a balance strong Gilas,most of the time they rely on 4s to play combo forward,that's all but a couple of permanent 6'6 or above SF,is badly needed.
      Ballungay,Lopez,Briones,Lucero (wish),Tamayo and Amos should be good enough

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      • Originally posted by live_evil View Post
        Our problem with the 3 position would have been solved if Kobe Paras had the face of Barroca.
        True hahaha! Being handsome is a curse!!!!

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        • Kobe should look at Dwight. Dwight is more handsome than him haha

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          • Originally posted by carmelo7 View Post

            Ballungay,Lopez,Briones,Lucero (wish),Tamayo and Amos should be good enough

            Lopez,still a long way,Amos,might be another combo like Tamayo and Balti,Navarro is promising,let's see what he can bring next time he's called up,still hoping Kobe will just dropped his showbiz contacts completely,go to theraphy,go clean up and play basketball like he really likes it.

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            • Originally posted by ja.he View Post
              I really don't get our obsession to have a size at par with Europeans. Even if our players are as tall as Europeans, if the skill level and laterals are not good, then being tall has no use at all. Just superficial.

              For me, I would rather look like a Mexican or a DR team because that will be more realistic than be like Spain or Serbia.
              Originally posted by zairex View Post
              Thats our DNA. We are not a tall team, not atheltic not beefy.

              I mean what is the excuse of Euro teams getting a small pg for NP. They can't stop their playera from growing.
              Originally posted by JOI2dWorld View Post
              the new generation of players are taller now it is just a matter of honing their skills to play small, as we already have a 7 footer and couple of 6'10" guys to be our frontcourt so those 6'8 and below should be trained to play as small forward and guard
              I do get that we might not have the size, but still, we need enough size, especially in the frontcourt. Only a good motor and athletic level with the right size (ala Pingris) can compensate for being undersized.

              We cannot afford to have undersized AND not-so-athletic AND underskilled players at the 3, 4, and 5 spots. Guys like Belga (6'5", but cannot defend the perimeter), Pogoy (6'2", but not really that spectacular on defense nor fast enough), not really fit for international game.

              For bigs, we need more guys like Pingris, RDO, Quiambao, and Tamayo. For wings, Dwight Ramos, Will Navarro, or a 6'4" Calvin Abueva.

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              • Originally posted by IPC View Post






                I do get that we might not have the size, but still, we need enough size, especially in the frontcourt. Only a good motor and athletic level with the right size (ala Pingris) can compensate for being undersized.

                We cannot afford to have undersized AND not-so-athletic AND underskilled players at the 3, 4, and 5 spots. Guys like Belga (6'5", but cannot defend the perimeter), Pogoy (6'2", but not really that spectacular on defense nor fast enough), not really fit for international game.

                For bigs, we need more guys like Pingris, RDO, Quiambao, and Tamayo. For wings, Dwight Ramos, Will Navarro, or a 6'4" Calvin Abueva.
                For me, players that will mainly play the 4 should be either fall into 3 categories - Kelly Williams-type, RDO-type or Pingris-type while players that will mainly play the 3 should be a guard with guard skills or atleast a swing (2/3). Sorry, I am really a proponent of triple guard combination.

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                • Hopefully, Caelum and Bayla plays D1 and develops nicely. Both are at least 6'5 now and can play as swings (2/3). For those older and bigger than them with good potentia as wings are Belmonte, Chico, Koon and maybe Policarpio. We have the prospects, it's the ecosystem that needs to optimize them.

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                  • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

                    For me, players that will mainly play the 4 should be either fall into 3 categories - Kelly Williams-type, RDO-type or Pingris-type while players that will mainly play the 3 should be a guard with guard skills or atleast a swing (2/3). Sorry, I am really a proponent of triple guard combination.

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                    Let's face it Kelly and Pingris have African and Caucasian blood respectively. Our 6'6 guys are not typically as athletic as etiher of them. I think we have no choice but to make our 4s as skilled as RDO. As I said, Tamayo is the modern version of this. But I also said, when we get tall guys who have length and mobility, like Balti, we have to maximize them. I think for Hagop eligible guys, Navarro is the realistic level of athleticism we can hope for unless we get some guys with African and Caucasian ethnicity. I think we should follow Tab's framework. Basically maximizing the guys we have, maximizing their skills and defense. I think looking for Gabe or Kelly as models for our ideal players is not realistic. This actually conditions us to search for future mixed ethnicity guys. This is not sustainable. We should look at the profile of the eligible guys we get in college. Guys like Belmonte, Chiu and develop a system to maximize them. We will always have an NP slot for any size, athleticism or skill hole we have.Of course we will maximize guys like Lopez and Edu etc. But it is a disservice to our homegrowns if we dont maximize them because they do not have the athletic ceiling of those with African or Caucasian descent. Let's build a system were we can maximize the typical type of players we have.

                    A nation with a small basketball pool produced a Yuta Watanabe and some other guards playing in international leagues. If we maximize the athleticism and skill of the players we have we can compete and even produce international level players whether they are African/Caucasian descent or not.

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                    • Sometimes forumers worry too much about the players. High school and college players already see that young locals like kai, aj, amos and abando are quite tall for their positions, and yet are as quick as sub-six footers. I've seen already that teams like ateneo, up and la salle stack up on tall, talented, and still athletic players. These big teams would likely have crusshed their bulinggit uaap counterparts from ten to twenty years ago.

                      There are also young talented filfors with Philippine passports. Like a chicken and egg situation, we are not getting much more of them because our nt teams havent impressed, and even much smaller and poorer countries produced a lot more nba players. If we can finish in the top 15 consistently, I am sure that getting a lot more quality big players will cease to be an issue. Producing the first two or so nba class players will be very difficult, but the next ten won't be, as pinoy player reputation gains a body of work.

                      Developing or acquiring more top fiba level coaches with credible records in winning should really be the sbp priority. Hindi puwede iyong masyadong bumilib sa sarili, na wala namang maayos na fiba grades.

                      As for 70-80% physically ready kai, he need not be the main center. He is good for at least ten points made, 5 rebounds, and 5 defeated/ intimidated shot attempts, in just ten minutes of play in only 3 games. He can spell fajardo or aj instead. Remember, even a tough and reliable player like doncic got injured against the no-nonsense non-nba spanish team. Hindi naman big deal ang mga ganyang injuries agad.
                      Last edited by ccharmed; 08-12-2023, 05:45 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by IPC View Post






                        I do get that we might not have the size, but still, we need enough size, especially in the frontcourt. Only a good motor and athletic level with the right size (ala Pingris) can compensate for being undersized.

                        We cannot afford to have undersized AND not-so-athletic AND underskilled players at the 3, 4, and 5 spots. Guys like Belga (6'5", but cannot defend the perimeter), Pogoy (6'2", but not really that spectacular on defense nor fast enough), not really fit for international game.

                        For bigs, we need more guys like Pingris, RDO, Quiambao, and Tamayo. For wings, Dwight Ramos, Will Navarro, or a 6'4" Calvin Abueva.
                        Gray if exempted fits the bill of being a tall sg or an agile and long sf even it at 6'5" but shit happened and got injured in a non meaningful game, i thought Alec Stockton of converge is around 6'2" or 6'3' but he is just 6'1" but has a good wingspan , is he eligible , he may not have a good shooting but he can defend as shooting can be learned

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                        • No Doncic. Slovenia still choosing between Tobey and Morgan as their naturalized player.

                          USA so far can't shake off Slovenia even without Doncic.

                          Familiarity and teamwork vs talent and athleticism on full display.

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                          • Originally posted by Rds View Post

                            Let's face it Kelly and Pingris have African and Caucasian blood respectively. Our 6'6 guys are not typically as athletic as etiher of them. I think we have no choice but to make our 4s as skilled as RDO. As I said, Tamayo is the modern version of this. But I also said, when we get tall guys who have length and mobility, like Balti, we have to maximize them. I think for Hagop eligible guys, Navarro is the realistic level of athleticism we can hope for unless we get some guys with African and Caucasian ethnicity. I think we should follow Tab's framework. Basically maximizing the guys we have, maximizing their skills and defense. I think looking for Gabe or Kelly as models for our ideal players is not realistic. This actually conditions us to search for future mixed ethnicity guys. This is not sustainable. We should look at the profile of the eligible guys we get in college. Guys like Belmonte, Chiu and develop a system to maximize them. We will always have an NP slot for any size, athleticism or skill hole we have.Of course we will maximize guys like Lopez and Edu etc. But it is a disservice to our homegrowns if we dont maximize them because they do not have the athletic ceiling of those with African or Caucasian descent. Let's build a system were we can maximize the typical type of players we have.

                            A nation with a small basketball pool produced a Yuta Watanabe and some other guards playing in international leagues. If we maximize the athleticism and skill of the players we have we can compete and even produce international level players whether they are African/Caucasian descent or not.
                            "I think looking for Gabe or Kelly as models for our ideal players is not realistic"

                            I actually forgot to say that Kelly Williams-type should be done through Fil-Am Nations while RDO-type can be trained locally. Searching for Fil-Fors, I believe, is sustainable since the Philippine basketball community has connections in the US community. Maintain these connections so that we can have a supply of athletic players.

                            "But it is a disservice to our homegrowns if we dont maximize them because they do not have the athletic ceiling of those with African or Caucasian descent"

                            Are you a purist dude? Kidding aside, that's why you need to upskill their level like what I said in my other posts. RDO-type forwards can come from our locals. 6'1-6'4 (the majority of homegrown players) can be upskilled into pure guards. 6'5 and above homegrowns should also be upskilled.

                            Per guys like Tamayo and Baltazar, di ba they are RDO-types of big? Better taller 4 that can be a small ball 5 but definitely not your 3. These guys are already upskilled.
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                            • Originally posted by ja.he View Post

                              "I think looking for Gabe or Kelly as models for our ideal players is not realistic"

                              I actually forgot to say that Kelly Williams-type should be done through Fil-Am Nations while RDO-type can be trained locally. Searching for Fil-Fors, I believe, is sustainable since the Philippine basketball community has connections in the US community. Maintain these connections so that we can have a supply of athletic players.

                              "But it is a disservice to our homegrowns if we dont maximize them because they do not have the athletic ceiling of those with African or Caucasian descent"

                              Are you a purist dude? Kidding aside, that's why you need to upskill their level like what I said in my other posts. RDO-type forwards can come from our locals. 6'1-6'4 (the majority of homegrown players) can be upskilled into pure guards. 6'5 and above homegrowns should also be upskilled.

                              Per guys like Tamayo and Baltazar, di ba they are RDO-types of big? Better taller 4 that can be a small ball 5 but definitely not your 3. These guys are already upskilled.
                              IMO our program should target an RDO skillset regardless of athleticism or if foreign grown or home bred. Looking at Hachimura, he might have an athletic advantage in HS in JP but he doesnt in the NBA. It is actually his shooting skills for his size that standout in the NBA. Those skills he probably gained in HS in JP.

                              I think regardless of athleticism we should train our guys to shoot, dribble and defend well. If they are athletic then they have a higher ceiling. Dwight Ramos is a good example. He was nobody in USA. But here was asked to do everything. It turned out his combination of handles, athleticism, strength and defense was effective here. Even his outside shooting seems to be improving. Heck to me he looked better defending the paint than the slimmer Malonzo.

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                              • Caelum is a prototype kelly williams and poormans rhjr. And should be reporting to this team during this off season
                                To becomes Asia's Best, we need to compete against the World's Best..
                                1 Big 4 small > 5 out offense.

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