Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[thatweirdguy]

We had years to prepare but ultimately still ended up with our usual problem - chemistry, familiarity and preparation.

Same old same old. And to think were hosting. You'd think they'll do everything to avoid getting embarrassed in front of our home crowd?

[greenarcher]

Same old same old. And to think were hosting. You'd think they'll do everything to avoid getting embarrassed in front of our home crowd?

We all thought wrong.

[JAMSKIE]

We had years to prepare but ultimately still ended up with our usual problem - chemistry, familiarity and preparation.

Everything looked bright with that youthful Gilas team under coach Tab in 2021 which beat traditional tormentor South Korea twice & lost a close game vs. world superpower Serbia, until SBP messed up everything by replacing coach Tab with Chot Reyes. Doon na nagkagulo.

I think coach Tab's plan was just to reinforce that team or pool with a Jordan Clarkson & perhaps 2 or 3 PBA players. There would have been an established chemistry or cohesion in the team/pool with such a plan or program.

[thatweirdguy]

Everything looked bright with that youthful Gilas team under coach Tab in 2021 which beat traditional tormentor South Korea twice & lost a close game vs. world superpower Serbia, until SBP messed up everything by replacing coach Tab with Chot Reyes. Doon na nagkagulo.

I think coach Tab's plan was just to reinforce that team or pool with a Jordan Clarkson & perhaps 2 or 3 PBA players. There would have been an established chemistry or cohesion in the team/pool with such a plan or program.

Di ba? What the hell happened. And we aren't exactly going in with the young guns either. What is our plan here? We wasted a lot of money to host just for us to get embarrassed at home. It's going to be a very bad learning experience again ..

[OverratedTabBaldwin]

Ok. But the point still stands. Kawhi and Derozan essentially had the same team. But with drastically different results.

Lol, you just backpedaled and moved goal posts. Still incorrect that you claimed that the Kawhi and Derozan trade was 1:1.

[Rds]

Lol, you just backpedaled and moved goal posts. Still incorrect that you claimed that the Kawhi and Derozan trade was 1:1.

Not really. The guys you said were role players at best. The main guys were essentially the same.

[JAMSKIE]

Di ba? What the hell happened. And we aren't exactly going in with the young guns either. What is our plan here? We wasted a lot of money to host just for us to get embarrassed at home. It's going to be a very bad learning experience again ..

I think PBA & even some SBP people just didn't like the idea that, under Tab's coaching, only few PBA players would be called out to reinforce Gilas. PBA people want that the national team wud be well represented by PBA players.

Why is it that I have this feeling that humanap lang ng rason ni Al Panlilio para tanggalin si Tab Baldwin as Gilas head coach. When coach Tab asked the SBP that he takes a brief leave of absence from coaching Gilas to focus on his coaching with Ateneo, Panlilio was quick to insinuate that ayaw na daw mag coach sa Gilas si coach Tab, which of course is very far from the truth.

[Rds]

I think PBA & even some SBP people just didn't like the idea that, under Tab's coaching, only few PBA players would be called out to reinforce Gilas. PBA people want that the national team wud be well represented by PBA players.

Why is it that I have this feeling that humanap lang ng rason ni Al Panlilio para tanggalin si Tab Baldwin as Gilas head coach. When coach Tab asked the SBP that he takes a brief leave of absence from coaching Gilas to focus on his coaching with Ateneo, Panlilio was quick to insinuate that ayaw na daw mag coach sa Gilas si coach Tab, which of course is very far from the truth.

This is clear to me. For all of Tabs achievements they could not give him a coaching break for one qualifier? And not only did they kick him out as a coach they kicked him out as program director. Al Panlilio, Vargas and the PBA wanted this all along.

You know they were wishing and waiting for Tab to fail. For the qualifiers against Korea they could only lend Raul freaking Soyud. What more evidence do you need that they wanted Tab to fail? But under Tab, a bunch of amateurs were able to defeat our nemesis Korea. Even got close to defeating Serbia and this is without Dwight.

Since Tab succeeded beyond their wildest dreams Al and co waited for another opportunity. Tab I think had a trip to the US because of a family emergency. When he came back he requested to rest for coaching for 1 qualifier. Then Al struck, saying how unpatriotic Tab was. But when Chot took a pass for some qualifiers and games, not a peep from Al and co.

I dont think you could give any other reason for Tabs removal than Al and co just wanted him out. For them Tab was just the deodorizer for the Gilas head position until it was mabango enough so they could put back the original fart, Chot.

I hope Al and PBA dont ruin our chances here. But the way the preps our going it doesnt look good.

[Rds]

It is ironic that the PBA seems to be banking on Junemar to give a major contribution to the team. Only one coach was able to make Junemar go down to his optimum Fiba condition, Tab. After partly contributing to Junemars leg injury by playing him at a heavy weight for a long time, PBA is now hoping against hope that Junemar becomes better on defense when even healthy he was ineffective defensively at his PBA weight. Now, Junemar seems to be going down in weight again. But wouldnt it have been nice if SMC allowed Junemar to maintain his light weight with Tab? He would have been much better defensively and he probably wouldnt have broken his leg.

But SMBs record AFC streak was more important. So now they want to have their cake (AFC streak) and eat it too (relevance in the WC). And they want it with an older Junemar post leg break. I just have to admire Junemars nationalism and loyalty. He doesnt even work this hard in the PBA. But SMC is just plain greedy.

[gilasfan]

Tab baldwin fantasy line up

Kai
Aguilar
Balti
Clarkson
Dwight

June Mar
Edu
Tamayo
Heading
Scottie

Tamayo
Parks

[zairex]

It is ironic that the PBA seems to be banking on Junemar to give a major contribution to the team. Only one coach was able to make Junemar go down to his optimum Fiba condition, Tab. After partly contributing to Junemars leg injury by playing him at a heavy weight for a long time, PBA is now hoping against hope that Junemar becomes better on defense when even healthy he was ineffective defensively at his PBA weight. Now, Junemar seems to be going down in weight again. But wouldnt it have been nice if SMC allowed Junemar to maintain his light weight with Tab? He would have been much better defensively and he probably wouldnt have broken his leg.

But SMBs record AFC streak was more important. So now they want to have their cake (AFC streak) and eat it too (relevance in the WC). And they want it with an older Junemar post leg break. I just have to admire Junemars nationalism and loyalty. He doesnt even work this hard in the PBA. But SMC is just plain greedy.

Can you remind me when did CTab made JF weight lighter? He has similar weight in OQ 2016. And was slow at defending guards of NZ and France.

Lets face it like Boban, Jokic. If a player is not athletic to begin with he will not be athletic all of sudden when he slim down. Thats JF reality also.

[reamily]

Junmar best year in nt is sadly with Chot also..

[Silent Killer]

Junmar best year in nt is sadly with Chot also..

with kiefer as PG..

[Rds]

Can you remind me when did CTab made JF weight lighter? He has similar weight in OQ 2016. And was slow at defending guards of NZ and France.

Lets face it like Boban, Jokic. If a player is not athletic to begin with he will not be athletic all of sudden when he slim down. Thats JF reality also.

JF was instrumental in that close game against NZ. He was not as good as Japeth but that was the best he looked defensively. One could argue if he kept that weight and got used to it more he couldve improved a bit more. Lighter weight does improve your mobility. That is why you have tall guys like Chet and Vic maintain a slim build over bulking up.

Even Boban is ripped compared to prime June Mar. June Mar became so slow in the PBA that you had his Cebu coaches and Ramon Fernandez saying he was much quicker in college.

Aftet Tab, he was effective offensively but became a worse defensive liability. He was an off the bench scoring punch. But not somebody you can rely on defense. Just look at how he and Japeth made Kazakhstans frontline look like stars. Without Blatche you couldnt rely on Junemar for major minutrs because his defense would be exposed.

[zairex]

JF was instrumental in that close game against NZ. He was not as good as Japeth but that was the best he looked defensively. One could argue if he kept that weight and got used to it more he couldve improved a bit more. Lighter weight does improve your mobility. That is why you have tall guys like Chet and Vic maintain a slim build over bulking up.

Even Boban is ripped compared to prime June Mar. June Mar became so slow in the PBA that you had his Cebu coaches and Ramon Fernandez saying he was much quicker in college.

Aftet Tab, he was effective offensively but became a worse defensive liability. He was an off the bench scoring punch. But not somebody you can rely on defense. Just look at how he and Japeth made Kazakhstans frontline look like stars. Without Blatche you couldnt rely on Junemar for major minutrs because his defense would be exposed.

I am sorry but did you see the game? He was not slimmer by any chance than when he was in SMC. The slimmer JF was when he was in his early years and WC 2014 He was taken out several time in 2nd half for failing to defend the PnR and ballscreen. Replace by Troy. Japeth also didn't have much burn time.

In Kazak game it was CStand that was the main guard of Zaghulin not JF. Both played 4