Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[IPC]

diba, there's no pure Filipino to begin with , Benedict Anderson (Imagined Comminuties) says hi..

In my view, it ain't even an ethnolinguistic group like Tagalogs, Ilocanos, Bicolanos, Waray, Tausug, Badjao, Cebuanos, Ilonggos, Kapampangans, etc. Filipinos are composed of the ethnic groups I mentioned, plus naturalized citizens which come from ethnolinguistic groups outside the Philippines.

Filipino ain't a race, nor even an ethnolinguistic group. It's a nationality and a citizenship, which is defined by law. Our law (specifically Constitution) says that if you have one Filipino citizen as a parent or are a naturalized citizen, you're a Filipino.

[CoJ]

In my view, it ain't even an ethnolinguistic group like Tagalogs, Ilocanos, Bicolanos, Waray, Tausug, Badjao, Cebuanos, Ilonggos, Kapampangans, etc. Filipinos are composed of the ethnic groups I mentioned, plus naturalized citizens which come from ethnolinguistic groups outside the Philippines.

Filipino ain't a race, nor even an ethnolinguistic group. It's a nationality and a citizenship, which is defined by law. Our law (specifically Constitution) says that if you have one Filipino citizen as a parent or are a naturalized citizen, you're a Filipino.

heck the term Filipino originally referred to the Spaniards who were born here, it was Rizal who was one of the 1st scholars who claimed the term Filipino for the natives (Indios). No different from the premise of being a American.

[thatweirdguy]

Yes Sir got it..for now its really a zero thing.

Between the two Ak34 has a fighting chance because he already obtained his PH Passport compared to Ola.

I really do hope that there would be an influential guy or group of people who had the resources and time to do the paperworks/legworks as far as processing for their respective merits.

Ola's name has been floating around here since forever and it's been years now and nothing has happened. I wonder why he hasn't applied for citizenship considering how much he likes living in the Philippines and the culture .I've even seen him play in some ligang labas in Batangas..

[IPC]

May I ask a question, if Euro is the way to be better then why Korea and Japan had no wins in WC. This is honest question.

For basketball and football? I don’t know what you mean. There are like no Asians in European basketball and it’s clear the second best players after the NBa are in a Europe.

Cause those euros probably suck lol. Euroleague has best Europeans and NBA rejects who are still better than most of the world.

I mean is people suggest we do euro plays rather than DDO. Japan and Korea NT has been using euro plays without much success in WC. Why is that?

Despite the lack of basketball popularity in their respective countries...

SoKor has been consistently a thorn on our basketball-crazy side. And Japan has been steadily improving in terms of world level. Paying attention especially to their women's team (women's game does not require as much athleticism and height) shows the advantage of their system.

And when it comes to evaluating the "euro style"...well it has enabled less-talented european countries to defeat the americans. By now, US and most countries has basically adapted a lot of the principles. So it's not like adapting it will make you instant world-beaters. What it does is offer a system where the sum is greater than the parts.

We are stereotyping Euroball as some kind of ball movement system offensively. In fact, Euroleague team systems allow for pull-ups and shot creation from skilled players. The underlying principle is the same, though. Move to open positions, or create good looks, with or without the ball. Smart movement and cutting will get you easier scores. That's the point of the system. Get easier scores.

Based on what I said, we can adopt ball movement and player movement principles without compromising our ability to go 1-on-1 and create for ourselves. The point is, create easier looks.

[JOI2dWorld]

We are stereotyping Euroball as some kind of ball movement system offensively. In fact, Euroleague team systems allow for pull-ups and shot creation from skilled players. The underlying principle is the same, though. Move to open positions, or create good looks, with or without the ball. Smart movement and cutting will get you easier scores. That's the point of the system. Get easier scores.

Based on what I said, we can adopt ball movement and player movement principles without compromising our ability to go 1-on-1 and create for ourselves. The point is, create easier looks.

just to answer the question of zairex why does japan and korea can't win a game in a world cup it's simple a copycat will still be less effective against the original, but it will be effective against lesser competition who do not implement the same style

[OverratedTabBaldwin]

How many playoff series has Toronto won with Dermar? IRC he was swapped 1 to 1 with Kawhi.

Incorrect. Spurs traded Kawhi and Danny Green for Derozan and Poeltl.

[Rds]

Incorrect. Spurs traded Kawhi and Danny Green for Derozan and Poeltl.

Ok. But the point still stands. Kawhi and Derozan essentially had the same team. But with drastically different results.

[Rds]

I doubt this will happen during Duremdes' term, along with Marlou Aquino, they were the strongest opponent of fil-foriegn players. (Sta Lucia was in perpetual mediocrity with Duremdes, Espino and Aquino back in the day). No idea if Pacquiao shares the same sentiment though

I felt for these guys. The league was swamped by FIlfors and Filshams. In a blink of an eye the homegrowns were an afterthought in our homegrown league. I guess the trauma was really bad for Kenneth and Marlou. But if you thought about it, what could have been the ceilling of Marlou if he had actual competition beyond the slow poke Feihl.

Anyways, I agree with IPC that opening the league to FIba eligibles can strengthen the league and at the same time soften the wariness of the homegrowns. Fiba-eligibles after all can represent us. It would even be a token of pride for the MPBL if a Fiba eligible/s who played for them plays for the flag.

[zairex]

just to answer the question of zairex why does japan and korea can't win a game in a world cup it's simple a copycat will still be less effective against the original, but it will be effective against lesser competition who do not implement the same style

Then how are we going to do better than Korea and Japan if that is the reason. I mean why push for Euro style of play.

[zairex]

We are stereotyping Euroball as some kind of ball movement system offensively. In fact, Euroleague team systems allow for pull-ups and shot creation from skilled players. The underlying principle is the same, though. Move to open positions, or create good looks, with or without the ball. Smart movement and cutting will get you easier scores. That's the point of the system. Get easier scores.

Based on what I said, we can adopt ball movement and player movement principles without compromising our ability to go 1-on-1 and create for ourselves. The point is, create easier looks.

Is it how Korea does it, alot of ballscreen, flare screen etc to make their shooters open. If the screen creates mismatch or switches they go to Ra Gu to exploit the mismatch. Thats Euro Style.

Look how CTab system with Gilas. No one post up so much, no one hold the ball. You will see attacks coming of screens and back doors. Alot of ball movement.

In Spain, who is that skilled player that is a shot creator by himself. Spain does alot of movement to create gaps in defense.

[BJ_Reloaded]

Ola's name has been floating around here since forever and it's been years now and nothing has happened. I wonder why he hasn't applied for citizenship considering how much he likes living in the Philippines and the culture .I've even seen him play in some ligang labas in Batangas..

Sir, sponsorship is the missing link for this...I think with all that championship ring he brings to San Beda, it's up to the alumni if they are enthusiastic enough to assist the guy

[carmelo7]

Sir, sponsorship is the missing link for this...I think with all that championship ring he brings to San Beda, it's up to the alumni if they are enthusiastic enough to assist the guy

Actually Ola can be seen partying with AVO and dressing up as...Oh well...

[IPC]

Ok if this is the blueprint that clearly works, then why the different approach?

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/c...rld-cup/277599

The Malditas have had a solid core for the past 18 months. Plus, they have an identity. Defend with your lives in our own half (which is why we often have 10 women behind the ball and park the bus at times), but counter once we win the ball back.

Man, I hope the current guys at SBP management now leave, and we bring in new blood that understands the importance of a long-term winning plan and a long-term core.

[IPC]

Is it how Korea does it, alot of ballscreen, flare screen etc to make their shooters open. If the screen creates mismatch or switches they go to Ra Gu to exploit the mismatch. Thats Euro Style.

Look how CTab system with Gilas. No one post up so much, no one hold the ball. You will see attacks coming of screens and back doors. Alot of ball movement.

In Spain, who is that skilled player that is a shot creator by himself. Spain does alot of movement to create gaps in defense.

I was talking about club basketball in Europe, not necessarily national teams. I remember seeing a guy like Sergio Rodriguez creating shots. Only a few Europeans can create their own shots, yes, and it's mostly the imports west of the pond like Shane Larkin. But some club coaches still allow some shot creation from those guys if they have the requisite skill

Point is, we can adopt a movement system while not compromising 1-on-1 ability. Just be at the right place at the right time for easier scores.

[zairex]

I was talking about club basketball in Europe, not necessarily national teams. I remember seeing a guy like Sergio Rodriguez creating shots. Only a few Europeans can create their own shots, yes, and it's mostly the imports west of the pond like Shane Larkin. But some club coaches still allow some shot creation from those guys if they have the requisite skill

Point is, we can adopt a movement system while not compromising 1-on-1 ability. Just be at the right place at the right time for easier scores.

I see. Yes no issue to alter our plays and position of attacks. But to not maximized our strength in shiftiness, shot creation, faster pace and use our 12 man to keep the pace