Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[Rds]

Again height is just one factor. Able to read and react in defense is more important. Look how people think Renz is a good defender because of length and highlights blocks. But he doesn't close out and PnR defense is lacking. Thats why he late on his defensive assignments.

Yes body type and athleticism is good but training is more important. Thats why we praise how Tab developed Navarro as a defensive wing even if he played 4 in college. Also, he helped improve Balti on the perimeter defensively. He gets blow bys. But it is undeniable Balti’s help in making life harder for SKs hotshot.

Also, it seems in the case of RJ and Abando, their Korean teams seemed to give more importance to their offense than push them defensively.

[TheRodster21]

I watched a bit of full games of Abando, he over relies on his athleticism and physical tools, he knows he’s explosive and long so he’ll sag off his defender or roam around which is why he works as a help defender but as a primary defender he’s too small and not strong enough so he can get bumped around, he’s surprisingly strong for his size but it’s still a problem when you look at the builds of the majority of more of Korean wings he stands out as being small. Also like it was pointed out his laterals aren’t the best but his quick second jump helps make up for it but he needs work.

[IPC]

Again height is just one factor. Able to read and react in defense is more important. Look how people think Renz is a good defender because of length and highlights blocks. But he doesn't close out and PnR defense is lacking. Thats why he late on his defensive assignments.

And in recent memory, I think the only Gilas guys at the 3 position I saw fitting the quick rotations are Navarro, Malonzo, Dwight, Abueva, and Thirdy, who are or were also good man defenders. Oftana, good man defender also, but I can't assess his rotations yet. Well, there's Arvin, who has the size at 3, but not the motor nor the speed of Navarro and Malonzo (who were the 6'5"-6'7" guys I was referring to when it comes to templates for the 3-spot).

Tama naman, you need length, speed, and defensive IQ at the 3 position. If you're under 6'5", at least have the combination of defensive IQ and either or both of length and strength at that position. Abueva, Dwight, and Thirdy worked at 3 defensively because of their athleticism, length, strength, and motor, despite Abueva and Thirdy being 6'2", and Dwight being 6'4".

[IPC]

How about if people are stakeholders of Philippine basketball, should they care how resources are used and the lack of it in priority areas of need ?

Sorry bro, I always read your comments... But i see some hatred towards MVP and Gilas basketball... That is not good, You are too angry too far because Tab Baldwin was axed... Move on already... It's already 18 months since Tab resigns and you still claiming for his return... Tab is done and this is Chot's era.... This is still better than 2019 edition or we will likely stick by Tab Baldwin, but for sure the support from major sponsor will likely close because Tab has no good relationship w/ most of the sponsors here...

If we don't have grassroots program then you will not see the successful of our youth team from the past... We are now also have womens basketball program too... Before SBP there, No youth teams competing in international tournaments from the past... You have to be thank to SBP because they upgrade atleast our basketball program, especially w/ the womens side.. The government even don't support the sports program itself... Look at the recent SONA of BBM, He doesn't mentioned any reports or plans for sports program here... Why you hate so much w/ MVP , even thou he literally help our sports program in his own pocket? You still be grateful that we have a guy like mr. MVP to help our sports program... I know it's not perfect that we wanted to be but he still doing his best to help basketball throughout his own pocket money...

I don't ( hate MVP)
it's flawed structure and systems, leading to self interest decision, conflict. Especially from AL Panilio and Vagas.
who as head of a conglomerate have no business to be head of a federation ( conflict of interest)

Priority is driven by self interest

bad decisions , hosting etx , program,
are the results, it's a basket case

Compare to the past irritation of BAP, This is way way better, And how do you say we don't have grassroots? Are you watching how our women's team become one of the rising basketball programs in Asia despite little support from media and our government... Our mens youth team already have 3 WCs in SBP era... In BAP era, we can't even send the team into international competitions...Be thankful that despite shortcomings by SBP, they still trying hard to have grassroots in our basketball program... If you want a dream set up, You should ask the government to do it.. But anyway, Did you saw SONA yesterday? He (BBM) even didn't mentioned what the plans of our sports program in our country....

you can carry on arguing with Dave, i wont get in the way. but i'd like to pick out some things with what you posted:

1. grassroot is the local development of the players. your example is the U16 and U18 Womens team. please remove all the filfor from those teams (they are not developed locally) and honestly tell me if can achieve same result. no medina, yumul, fajardo's. vdj, etc.

2. cant speak for others but yes, SBP gave us a huge boost compared to BAP. but does that mean we shouldn't voice what can be improved? wala na freedom of speech? if we are free to give them praise, why cant we be free to point things that dont align to what we personally believe? guguho ba SBP if some forumers oppose certain things that SBO does\did? is that how we want it to be? on side note of this, aside from BAP being not sa good as SBP, it needs to be considered that a) they don't have same war chest as SBP and b) BAP and PBA never got along. remember, PBA was created so BAP cant use their players.

and lastly 3. NSA is not suppose to be managed by the government. so unless you want someone to be impeached and removed from office (be it corporate or from the government) the government will not head an NSA.

I concur with sir C2Hamm. Just because SBP is better than BAP, and this team is better than 2019, doesn't mean we should tolerate the bad. For the record, I want Panlilio, Vargas, and Chua out after the WC.

SBP fucked up our long-term direction by replacing Tab as program director. Chot's a capable coach, yes (the most capable head coach from the PBA right now; probably the only one, Cone's just for assistant and defensive coordinator duties), but he prefers the PBA veterans, and he's not one to lead a rebuilding program, which we sorely need. A lot of the Gilas-quality PBA players are old or aging. June Mar's 33, Japeth's 36, Scottie just turned 30, Marcio's 37, Newsome's 33. And outside of those guys, going to the younger ones, only Oftana, Malonzo, and Navarro are Gilas-quality at the moment, so the PBA support might be negligible, especially if capable players go abroad, where constant availability for Gilas is more likely. We need youth over veterans going into the next WC cycle. And prioritizing the PBA over capable players outside like RJ Abarrientos, Robert Bolick, and Justine Baltazar in the WC, jeez.

As for youth, we had a disappointing U18 finish last year. We had a good team, but failed to make U19 WC because Josh did not adjust his defense when Lebanon suddenly shot well from 3. Also, grassroots means that we have to be sending (or trying to send) more promising homegrowns overseas, and beat the local colleges to them. And even in the senior team, we didn't really prioritize younger players outside of those who were in Tab's team, and others like Abando, Mike Phillips, and Quiambao. We should have prioritized exemptions for players like Ange, Mike, and Ballungay, not the older guys.

In the women's team, it's just Pat doing the work and scouting for good talents here and abroad, I don't know if i can credit Panlilio and Vargas for their success other than maybe financial support.

As for NSAs, the government is not supposed to manage an NSA, and their supervisory powers over NSAs are limited. Only as far as PSC's financial support. The PSC may sanction NSAs for violation of its policies, rules and regulations. I just read the PSC Charter (RA 6847) for this.

[DAdmiral]

don't get my sentiments on calling out flaws in our system and ways as lack of support , if anything i've invested time and money litterally in grassroots ( training etc) , identifying players, facilatating their papers. held camps for national teams, am a regular resource for scouting reports on opposition, so on and so on. many in this forum know about them. the best people to ask is the coaching staff of Gilas themselves, ask them about me , they know exactly where i stand..

please let's not confuse having critical thinking on improvement areas and calling out people and flaws with support those are 2 different things altogether

[C2Hamm]

Speaking of 3-&-D player, do U think former FEU wingman Ken Tuffin is a good Gilas prospect? Is Tuffin showing any interest of playing for Gilas? He just couldn't break into the New Zealand national team/pool becoz of the abundance of talent in the 2 & 3 positions in New Zealand basketball. This favors us, so we might as well take advantage of this.

Tuffin's edge over our PBA & even our B-league wingmen is that he plays in a league (NBL-New Zealand) with good size wings, 6-foot-4/6-foot-5 shooting guards & 6-foot-5/6-foot-6 small forwards, which means he is used to being matched-up with FIBA sized wings. In the PBA kasi guys like CJ Perez, RR Pogoy, Chris Newsome, Calvin Oftana are matched up against wings of the same size of even smaller/shorter than them. I think the same could also be said about our B-league boys like Dwight Ramos, Thirdy Ravena, Rayray Parks since Japanese wings aren't really that tall/big. I think Japanese shooting guards & small forwards in the B-league are just as tall/big as our PBA shooting guards & small forwards.

im not sure he was ever formally invited. Dave knows him personally so you can ask him about Ken.
having said that, I am a fan of him and would like to see him play for Gilas. i believe he is more or less Dwight that just moves differently. i'd rather have 2 dwights than 1.

[JAMSKIE]

im not sure he was ever formally invited. Dave knows him personally so you can ask him about Ken.
having said that, I am a fan of him and would like to see him play for Gilas. i believe he is more or less Dwight that just moves differently. i'd rather have 2 dwights than 1.

I think Tuffin doesn't have the handles & the shot creation of a Dwight Ramos, but he might be a better wing defender than Dwight. Tuffin I think is more of a catch-and-shoot type of a wingman. As I've said, Tuffin's upside is his familiarity playing against good size wings since shooting guards & small forwards in NBL-New Zealand are taller/bigger than shooting guards & small forwards in the PBA & even in the Japan B-league.

[JAMSKIE]

Guys, what is this Bola.TV AsiaBasket Las Pinas Championship? I've watched about 4 games already & it seems among the participating teams are UAAP & NCAA colleges/universities & I think semi-pro teams. Semi-pro teams feature some former PBA players, former UAAP players & former FSA's. I even saw former San Beda FSA Ola Adeogun play in a semi-pro team in the tournament.

[ja.he]

Guys, what is this Bola.TV AsiaBasket Las Pinas Championship? I've watched about 4 games already & it seems among the participating teams are UAAP & NCAA colleges/universities & I think semi-pro teams. Semi-pro teams feature some former PBA players, former UAAP players & former FSA's. I even saw former San Beda FSA Ola Adeogun play in a semi-pro team in the tournament.

generally, i am disappointed with FilBasket. it's been two years now but the league is more of an invitationals rather than a full-pledged pro league.

[Sikatrix]

generally, i am disappointed with FilBasket. it's been two years now but the league is more an invitationals rather than a full-pledged pro league.

Filbasket personally was overhyped. They designed the league to cater to the pinoy online community. Rules that are popular for facebook likes for one, hiring hoopjunkie was another thing they did but so far the MPBL looks like the more solid league. After a while they followed the money I guess and rebranded to Asiabasket to cater to the Malaysian market.

[BJ_Reloaded]

6'9 Ola Adeogun for exemption? considering he is also one of the earlier FSA who studied and played in San Beda for 5 years(?), already represented PHL jersey in several 3x3 tourney and Overseas Invitationals parading the flag,, now I think he's already 32 yrs. old and the big question is does anyone had the audacity and guts to assist the gentle giant on his naturalization despite his age? because the possibility of getting exempted in the same breath as AK34 are strong if only there's an influential guy who could assist them on that journey..hmmm..I hope the PAC wake up in the right side of the bed.

[Sikatrix]

6'9 Ola Adeogun for exemption? considering he is also one of the earlier FSA who studied and played in San Beda for 5 years(?), already represented PHL jersey in several 3x3 tourney and Overseas Invitationals parading the flag,, now I think he's already 32 yrs. old and the big question is does anyone had the audacity and guts to assist the gentle giant on his naturalization despite his age? because the possibility of getting exempted in the same breath as AK34 are strong if only there's an influential guy who could assist them on that journey..hmmm..I hope the PAC wake up in the right side of the bed.

Ive argued this before. Just try it since if Ola cant get an exemption then Ange has zero shot. Good for the present and planning for the future.

[ja.he]

Filbasket personally was overhyped. They designed the league to cater to the pinoy online community. Rules that are popular for facebook likes for one, hiring hoopjunkie was another thing they did but so far the MPBL looks like the more solid league. After a while they followed the money I guess and rebranded to Asiabasket to cater to the Malaysian market.

Yeah, the MPBL, which has been crucified by most posters for being a glorified barangay league and a betting league, has a better, more organized and more defined tournament format.

[zairex]

Yeah, the MPBL, which has been crucified by most posters for being a glorified barangay league and a betting league, has a better, more organized and more defined tournament format.

MBPL is in a position to cater to people in provinces who wants to see higher level of basketball. Which PBA couldn't do. Support from politicians which is a big factor. They never claim to be rivals of PBA, which was a good strategy. They are building their own brand.

[reamily]

MBPL is in a position to cater to people in provinces who wants to see higher level of basketball. Which PBA couldn't do. Support from politicians which is a big factor. They never claim to be rivals of PBA, which was a good strategy. They are building their own brand.

Which is their doing very good at. Imagine they have the most inconsistent home and away scheme yet people willcrave for that level of basketball especially if youre team is winning..