Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[DAdmiral]

Remember now as host , the bus driver of the Chinese team is Filipino.. u all know the story, is this payback time LOL

[Silent Killer]

You can't blame some guys here for reacting this way. We are only 2 months away from the World Cup & it looks like we are still very much in the "developing cohesion" or "getting familiar with one another" stage. On the other hand, all the other teams out there (save for team USA) are almost in the finishing touches stage of their preparation.

I say coach Tab's Gilas team/pool in 2021 is a lot more cohesive than this coach Chot's Gilas team in Estonia.

Boomers hasn’t started its training yet too.. will start next month.

like analyzed mentioned, established system.. As we know Australia, it has one system from the get go from youth all the way to seniors (Men and Women)

[DAdmiral]

what's kind of weird is unlike those other national teams were their youth players practically grew up together and spent many games playing together, what happened with the Philippines , how come all these players mentioned have hardly played together , didn't he 23 for 23 thing happen like 5 years ago, what happened . ? LIke Kai, Dwight, and JC have played a grand total of like 2 games together , C'mon now..

[JAMSKIE]

to be accurate most teams only prepare 1 month before WC, but the huge difference is those teams have an established program and system, already know their core players and have repeatedly consistently been able to perform well with just 1 month prep. the huge concern with Gilas is this is simply not the case, no program , no system, no identified core players, much more who've played previously in the past. and the worst thing is this is a repeat scenario of previous showings , where 2 months from competition with no resemblance of all those pieces it is expected to have a different outcome, this is the definition of madness, do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result

In short, our good people in the SBP & PBA never learned. They keep on repeating the same old things again & again that don't work.

[art00]

In short, our good people in the SBP & PBA never learned. They keep on repeating the same old things again & again that don't work.

Which begs the question, do these people even want to "learn?" It seems to me that they have these ill-conceived notions of how to run a basketball program their own way. [/sarcasm] Why would they copy Australia's method when they know more and better as far as basketball is concerned [/sarcasm]

[JAMSKIE]

how many minutes have those top 3 players in bold actually played together ? additionally how about the NP ( whoever it is , e,g, JC) have they actually played together for any significant time ? C'mon now this is no national team core , this is literally a team put together in like 1 month ( yes JC and Kai are not there yet)

that is why it was a big deal that Kai Sotto didn't play in the 6th window. Its not about the 6th window games no longer have bearing for us. Some people just couldn't get the point. It is about the reps that Kai should get to esrablish chemistry/cohesion in the team & for kai to further get assimilated with coach Chot's system. The more Kai, as well as the other Gilas players, especially the key players like Dwight, Parks, Thompson, Perez, play FIBA games (& even tune ups) & train, the better for the team.

That is why I refer it as a cycle in which a national team must field basically the same set of players in a 5 to 6 years cycle in order to establish enough cohesion/chemistry. Hindi yung paiba-iba tayo ng line ups for every tournament of qualifying windows. Parang chopsuey yung team/pool.

[IPC]

Which begs the question, do these people even want to "learn?" It seems to me that they have these ill-conceived notions of how to run a basketball program their own way. [/sarcasm] Why would they copy Australia's method when they know more and better as far as basketball is concerned [/sarcasm]

Fans like us here in IBN already know what needs to be done to improve the team and the system in this country. The problem is, SBP hasn't done that. And people criticize fans like us when we bash SBP and call for the heads of the top guys, even when it's justified (which is the case more often than not).

It's a big problem when fans know what needs to be done, but the federation stubbornly refuses to do it.

[zairex]

how many minutes have those top 3 players in bold actually played together ? additionally how about the NP ( whoever it is , e,g, JC) have they actually played together for any significant time ? C'mon now this is no national team core , this is literally a team put together in like 1 month ( yes JC and Kai are not there yet)

THat is the situation right now. It is much better to integrate 2 players than the other way around. Not ideal but that is what we have

[JAMSKIE]

The biggest challenge if we are to maintain a national training pool that will consistently play FIBA & international basketball in which we parade practically the same players in the next 4 years or beyond (hindi yung palit dito, palit doon for every tournament or window), would be on how to consistently have those PBA national team players in the Gilas pool/team. We have no problem with the availability of our B-league & KBL Gilas players during the window qualifiers & FIBA tournament proper becoz the B-league & KBL (as well as all the premier pro leagues in the planet) calendars are synchronized with the FIBA calendar. The same could not be said about the PBA. No need to elaborate. Everyone here knows what I'm implying.

Now, its good to see that in the current Gilas pool of Chot Reyes, most of the 30-year old & above players are PBA players while most of the 27-year old & below players are playing in the B-league or Japan.
We won't be needing players like Junmar, Japeth, Newsome, Erram, for the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup & 2027 World Cup. Matanda na yung mga yun. But we still would be needing PBA players like Iskati Thompson, Malonzo, Oftana, Perez for those future tournaments & their qualifiers.

I just hope that current college players like Mason Amos, Francis Lopez, Kevin Quiambao, Jonel Policarpio, Chico Briones, Mark Gil Belmonte, Seven Gagate, Luis Pablo decide to play in Japan, Korea, Taiwan or Australia, basta wag lang sa PBA.

I also hope that Justin Baltazar & Will Navarro decides to play in Korea.

Very obvious naman yung reason why I want these players to play abroad & hindi sa PBA.

[Metta]

A thought just occurred, I am all for pinoy players playing against the best competition possible and for the most earning they can get. I'm just wondering if Japan and Korea will be altruistic and knowingly help our potential Gilas players become as good as they can be. When the time comes that most of our national players are in their leagues, will they just set aside the influence they can wield against a competitor?

Hopefully, our players all obtain a "gilas availability" clause in their contracts.

[IPC]

The biggest challenge if we are to maintain a national training pool that will consistently play FIBA & international basketball in which we parade practically the same players in the next 4 years or beyond (hindi yung palit dito, palit doon for every tournament or window), would be on how to consistently have those PBA national team players in the Gilas pool/team. We have no problem with the availability of our B-league & KBL Gilas players during the window qualifiers & FIBA tournament proper becoz the B-league & KBL (as well as all the premier pro leagues in the planet) calendars are synchronized with the FIBA calendar. The same could not be said about the PBA. No need to elaborate. Everyone here knows what I'm implying.

Now, its good to see that in the current Gilas pool of Chot Reyes, most of the 30-year old & above players are PBA players while most of the 27-year old & below players are playing in the B-league or Japan.
We won't be needing players like Junmar, Japeth, Newsome, Erram, for the 2025 FIBA Asia Cup & 2027 World Cup. Matanda na yung mga yun. But we still would be needing PBA players like Iskati Thompson, Malonzo, Oftana, Perez for those future tournaments & their qualifiers.

I just hope that current college players like Mason Amos, Francis Lopez, Kevin Quiambao, Jonel Policarpio, Chico Briones, Mark Gil Belmonte, Seven Gagate, Luis Pablo decide to play in Japan, Korea, Taiwan or Australia, basta wag lang sa PBA.

I also hope that Justin Baltazar & Will Navarro decides to play in Korea.

Very obvious naman yung reason why I want these players to play abroad & hindi sa PBA.

If I'm gonna be brutal, the PBA's become a second-rate farmers' league. Systems are improving, but the level of play has dropped, which can be seen in the past EASL. In addition, the other teams can not compete with the SMC and MVP teams, although through no fault of their own.

I got the term "farmers' league" from football, where the league is dominated by one team, but the competition level is poor. The Bundesliga in Germany and Ligue 1 in France is an example. Dominated by Bayern and Paris Saint-Germain respectively, but a poor competitive level for the past decade.

[zairex]

If I'm gonna be brutal, the PBA's become a second-rate farmers' league. Systems are improving, but the level of play has dropped, which can be seen in the past EASL. In addition, the other teams can not compete with the SMC and MVP teams, although through no fault of their own.

I got the term "farmers' league" from football, where the league is dominated by one team, but the competition level is poor. The Bundesliga in Germany and Ligue 1 in France is an example. Dominated by Bayern and Paris Saint-Germain respectively, but a poor competitive level for the past decade.

Similar to Spain and Greece basketball leagues.

Let see this new season of EASL if PBA teams will make more effort to compete

[zairex]

A thought just occurred, I am all for pinoy players playing against the best competition possible and for the most earning they can get. I'm just wondering if Japan and Korea will be altruistic and knowingly help our potential Gilas players become as good as they can be. When the time comes that most of our national players are in their leagues, will they just set aside the influence they can wield against a competitor?

Hopefully, our players all obtain a "gilas availability" clause in their contracts.

More concern do they improve on those leagues. KBL maybe but B. leagues dont see. Thirdy was promise to be PG. And should they be more accustomed to taller and bigger players which seems not happening. KBL having one import is more similar to PBA on that aspect.

[IPC]

We actually did have a bit of a core before, in the 2017 Asia Cup and the windows for the 2019 WC. Castro, Wright, Troy, Pogoy, Abueva, Terrence, June Mar, Japeth, and Gabe were the mainstays. More or less, that was it. They played a lot of the FIBA games together.
Problem was, that was the time that Wright, Pogoy, and Troy started earning their reputation as bricklayers in FIBA (on top of being defensive liabilities, especially Troy and Wright). Japeth was inconsistent, Castro and Gabe were aging. Another was, the pool of useful PBA guys was painfully thin at the time (still up to now, really), and guys like Kai, Dwight, Baltazar, Carl weren't really in the radar yet or were in HS (though in hindsight, I would have just called them up instead of sticking with sucky pros).

[JAMSKIE]

We actually did have a bit of a core before, in the 2017 Asia Cup and the windows for the 2019 WC. Castro, Wright, Troy, Pogoy, Abueva, Terrence, June Mar, Japeth, and Gabe were the mainstays. More or less, that was it. They played a lot of the FIBA games together.
Problem was, that was the time that Wright, Pogoy, and Troy started earning their reputation as bricklayers in FIBA (on top of being defensive liabilities, especially Troy and Wright). Japeth was inconsistent, Castro and Gabe were aging. Another was, the pool of useful PBA guys was painfully thin at the time (still up to now, really), and guys like Kai, Dwight, Baltazar, Carl weren't really in the radar yet or were in HS (though in hindsight, I would have just called them up instead of sticking with sucky pros).

Yeah.
I think the Gilas team/pool in the 2017 to 2019 era was cohesive enough which was the product of having the reps playing & training together as a team. Its just that the eventual coach during the 2019 World Cup wasn't good in the FIBA level game. I think coach Chot would have done a better job than coach Yeng Guiao. Also Wright & Lassiter were not able to play in the World Cup becoz of injuries.

If we compare the Gilas team of 2017-2019 era with the current Gilas team/pool, I believe mas malakas yung current Gilas team/pool. We have better materials now than we had 4 to 6 years ago. We have a skilled 7-footer in Kai Sotto. Good size & skilled natural 4's in Tamayo & Baltazar (if only he would get a Gilas call up soon). Good size & athletic small forwards like Dwight Ramos, Malonzo, Calvin Oftana & Will Navarro.