Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[DAdmiral]

to be accurate most teams only prepare 1 month before WC, but the huge difference is those teams have an established program and system, already know their core players and have repeatedly consistently been able to perform well with just 1 month prep. the huge concern with Gilas is this is simply not the case, no program , no system, no identified core players, much more who've played previously in the past. and the worst thing is this is a repeat scenario of previous showings , where 2 months from competition with no resemblance of all those pieces it is expected to have a different outcome, this is the definition of madness, do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result

[ja.he]

Well, I consider Estonia, together with Norway, as a low-level European team. However, I say that Estonia can beat the majority of Asian teams. Finland is the mid-level European team but can surely beat the majority in Asia. Tall Blacks can challenge Finland while Australia can surely beat Finland.

[DAdmiral]

Estonia is the team I invited for a pre world cup 2014 Tournament. Initially some thought bano sila, but they actually are good. In the 2014 Tournament I was involved in they beat Senegal and played a close game vs Argentina..

In that tournament Gilas didn't want to play Estonia, they opted for DR and Egypt

[IPC]

to be accurate most teams only prepare 1 month before WC, but the huge difference is those teams have an established program and system, already know their core players and have repeatedly consistently been able to perform well with just 1 month prep. the huge concern with Gilas is this is simply not the case, no program , no system, no identified core players, much more who've played previously in the past. and the worst thing is this is a repeat scenario of previous showings , where 2 months from competition with no resemblance of all those pieces it is expected to have a different outcome, this is the definition of madness, do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result

No identified core players, jeez. I dunno why that's the case when the core players should have been painfully obvious. Kai, Dwight, Parks, maybe others like Carl, Navarro, Malonzo, maybe Scottie.

The lack of a consistent system is a glaring issue too. Our system is just get whatever talented players available and get them to learn the system for a specific coach, and then learn another when another coach takes over. That's why I think building a good team identity is important, as that determines the system we should follow.

But then again, do SBP even care about team identity and system?

[ja.he]

Estonia is the team I invited for a pre world cup 2014 Tournament. Initially some thought bano sila, but they actually are good. In the 2014 Tournament I was involved in they beat Senegal and played a close game vs Argentina..

In that tournament Gilas didn't want to play Estonia, they opted for DR and Egypt

Ofcourse, Estonia is still good enough against LatAm, African and Asian teams. What I am talking about is that Estonia, relative to the level of competition in Europe, is really low-tier. Winning only 4 out of 17 games in a span of 2 years in Europe is really bad.

Europe has a surplus good teams.

[zairex]

Ofcourse, Estonia is still good enough against LatAm, African and Asian teams. What I am talking about is that Estonia, relative to the level of competition in Europe, is really low-tier. Winning only 4 out of 17 games in a span of 2 years in Europe is really bad.

Europe has a surplus good teams.

Well if Estonia is good enough against LatAm then we can say we will not get massacred by DR.

There is a system in place that we were able to compete with Jordan and Lebanon in qualifiers. I wish we have longer prep time but it is better than 2019 edition.

[TheRodster21]

Well if Estonia is good enough against LatAm then we can say we will not get massacred by DR.

There is a system in place that we were able to compete with Jordan and Lebanon in qualifiers. I wish we have longer prep time but it is better than 2019 edition.

Style of play is completely different, I remember coach Tab’s team playing well against a slower older Serbia but got blown out by the more athletic aggressive DR. This Estonian team is closer to Serbia in play style than DR.

[ja.he]

Well if Estonia is good enough against LatAm then we can say we will not get massacred by DR.

There is a system in place that we were able to compete with Jordan and Lebanon in qualifiers. I wish we have longer prep time but it is better than 2019 edition.

Well, TBH, DR is very beatable. The thing with Tab's team getting massacred by DR was that Tab's team was outmuscled and outrun by the DR players, especially by their athletic guard trio of Solano, Liz and Cuevas as well as their athletic forward Angel Nunez.

For me, guys like Thompson, Newsome, Thirdy, Rayray, Dwight and Jamie can handle those athletic guards better than guys like RJ and SJ.

[zairex]

Style of play is completely different, I remember coach Tab’s team playing well against a slower older Serbia but got blown out by the more athletic aggressive DR. This Estonian team is closer to Serbia in play style than DR.

Every style has its pro and cons.

[zairex]

Well, TBH, DR is very beatable. The thing with Tab's team getting massacred by DR was that Tab's team was outmuscled and outrun by the DR players, especially by their athletic guard trio of Solano, Liz and Cuevas as well as their athletic forward Angel Nunez.

For me, guys like Thompson, Newsome, Thirdy, Rayray, Dwight and Jamie can handle those athletic guards better than guys like RJ and SJ.

I agree that the reason and including games against Jordan. Well our homegrown players in that pool will still be outmuscle like Sotto, RJ, SJ, Nieto bros. if we face DR again.

[Rds]

Saw the box score. Newsome didnt produce. But he was very good in defense, he topped in plus minus. Dwight top scored but along with Kiefer was minus 13. Only 5/15 in scoring. Japeth was actually minus 1 vs JFs minus 9. Japeth is more serviceable at this point because of his defense.

[DAdmiral]

No identified core players, jeez. I dunno why that's the case when the core players should have been painfully obvious. Kai, Dwight, Parks, maybe others like Carl, Navarro, Malonzo, maybe Scottie.

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how many minutes have those top 3 players in bold actually played together ? additionally how about the NP ( whoever it is , e,g, JC) have they actually played together for any significant time ? C'mon now this is no national team core , this is literally a team put together in like 1 month ( yes JC and Kai are not there yet)

[IPC]

how many minutes have those top 3 players in bold actually played together ? additionally how about the NP ( whoever it is , e,g, JC) have they actually played together for any significant time ? C'mon now this is no national team core , this is literally a team put together in like 1 month ( yes JC and Kai are not there yet)

Noted on the minutes played together. But really, SBP should have seen that from the beginning that a consistent core and system will further our chances as a team, at least in the Asian level. Reason I said that should have been painfully obvious is because of their quality. OK, ability to play together matters too.

This is where Rajko's words on "no program" makes sense.

[BJ_Reloaded]

SBP doesn’t care about team identity and system rather they are more focus on marketing and promotion the way a corporate driven company President or high rank officer should do.

[Giannis34GOD]

I guess the bigger question is with just 2 months away from DR game, given what we know, can this team realistically compete at world stage and beat a team like China, in classfication round , i think it's leading to that, the China game will be the playoff game for the sole Asian Olympic qualifying spot

Pray that Anderson's passport documents will not be on time in August... That will be the key on chances of Gilas vs China classification match... If China go all local crew, Gilas will have slight advantage, That current China line up is basically the 2018 Asian Games gold medal team.. Gilas only lose 2 pts to them, That is w/o big man who can match up Wang Zhelin and Zhou Qi... Cstand, Belga and others were outmatched, outhustle, outmuscle, etc... by Zhou and Wang, This time PHL will have Kai and Edu, who will be a better math up size wise against them.... JC meanwhile is more better version than 2018... No one in any Chinese roster today can stop JC in any match up... That is why Anderson's presence is a must for China.... He is familiar w/ JC and he can stop him 1v1, since they played against each other so many times in NBA....