Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[sroth3839]

and he had no business playing for Gilas in 2019, what more this year. Wouldnt be surprised if he will still play at Qatar especially if long hair takes over SBP.

Nah, Japs did alright albeit nothing exemplary. He is a better rim protector than Abay but his low post game sucks.

JF is simply a disappointment internationally.

[CoJ]

Nah, Japs did alright albeit nothing exemplary. He is a better rim protector than Abay but his low post game sucks.

JF is simply a disappointment internationally.

agree on you with JF, he’s just a big fish in a obscure pond

[Rds]

Nah, Japs did alright albeit nothing exemplary. He is a better rim protector than Abay but his low post game sucks.

JF is simply a disappointment internationally.

Before his leg broke JF actually was a force on offense in Fiba. He was the 2nd top scorer against Australia until all hell broke loose IRC. He could have been much better if he kept the weight Tab asked him to go down to. But he needed the weight back to dominate the PBA. Unfortunately, the weight, all the minutes and all the games, including for Fiba and non-Fiba, contributed to his injury.

[sroth3839]

Before his leg broke JF actually was a force on offense in Fiba. He was the 2nd top scorer against Australia until all hell broke loose IRC. He could have been much better if he kept the weight Tab asked him to go down to. But he needed the weight back to dominate the PBA. Unfortunately, the weight, all the minutes and all the games, including for Fiba and non-Fiba, contributed to his injury.

That’s on his jurassic coach.

CTC would have managed JF better because the former is willing to adapt to the modern game.

I’m honestly fed up with these boomer coaches who are obsessed with emulating Shaq.

Shaq is Shaq. No one can ever replicate him.

[CoJ]

Before his leg broke JF actually was a force on offense in Fiba. He was the 2nd top scorer against Australia until all hell broke loose IRC. He could have been much better if he kept the weight Tab asked him to go down to. But he needed the weight back to dominate the PBA. Unfortunately, the weight, all the minutes and all the games, including for Fiba and non-Fiba, contributed to his injury.

he might not be mobile and agile, but junmar has a sweet shooting touch, could have been a stretch 5 if Austria developed him into a modern big instead as a 90s traditional
big, but hey he dominated the pba and earned so much money so not bad

[Giannis34GOD]

I think with Japeth playing in WC he will be the longest tenured national team player 2009 to 2023 ( 15 years) beating Caidic below


December 1984, UAAP stars Allan Caidic, Pido Jarencio, Benji Gutierrez, Jerry Codi NCC pba
NCC Philippines and captured the 1984 Asian Basketball Club Championship in Ipoh, Malaysia, but this was before i think Caidic joined, they played in 1985 FIBA Club World Cup at Girona, Spain (I guess with Caidic, his FIBA debut, so essentially Caidic played in NT from 1985 to 1998.

Asi Taulava still the longest.. 2002 Asian games - 2018 Asian Games (16 years)... His tenure was longer than Yao Ming's PRO basketball career....

[DAdmiral]

Asi Taulava still the longest.. 2002 Asian games - 2018 Asian Games (16 years)... His tenure was longer than Yao Ming's PRO basketball career....

As a Greek u really know Philippine basketball, but u r right. Forgot Asi, I think Japeth if he plays in 2025 , which is plausible can beat that. , which really is a reflection of how depleted Philippines is in bigs with Japeth and Asi having to play over 15 years in the NT.

[Giannis34GOD]

As a Greek u really know Philippine basketball, but u r right. Forgot Asi, I think Japeth if he plays in 2025 , which is plausible can beat that. , which really is a reflection of how depleted Philippines is in bigs with Japeth and Asi having to play over 15 years in the NT.

Google is the key... Anyway, If you want to know, I'm more following International basketball than NBA or any PRO leagues... I love FIBA competitions...

[sroth3839]

As a Greek u really know Philippine basketball, but u r right. Forgot Asi, I think Japeth if he plays in 2025 , which is plausible can beat that. , which really is a reflection of how depleted Philippines is in bigs with Japeth and Asi having to play over 15 years in the NT.

Lol not sure if you’re being sarcastic. Everyone here knows he is sadiq aka robert0324.

[JAMSKIE]

I say Junmar's FIBA & international basketball stints were a mixture of creditable & forgettable performances. He was a non-factor in the 2013 FIBA asia Championship, a huge disappointment in the 2014 FIBA Asia Stankovic Cup, very good performance in the 2014 World Cup, & a disappointment in the 2014 Asian Games. Junmar was very good in the 2016 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. I think in the window qualifiers of the 2019 World Cup, Junmar was did fine overall. During the World Cup itself, I think he did ok, not so frustrating & nothing exemplary as well.

I think some people are just so disappointed & dissatisfied with junmar's FIBA & international basketball stint mainly becoz of high expectation him being a many time MVP in the PBA. Imagine, he holds the PBA record of the player with the most number of MVP awards (6 MVP awards). Yet in Asian basketball, he is just another big man out there (as coach Tab Baldwin put it).

[IPC]

What's the use of having tall players,when the team will go small ball.

Actually, small ball can be acceptable if that lineup is composed of the team's best combination of players. If a guy like Dwight Ramos mans the 4, and is our best player at that spot, so be it. But if there are better combinations and/or taller players that can help guys like Dwight slide to 3 or even 2, go with that. You adjust to your best players, or to the matchups, depending on the game.

Personally, I prefer positionless small ball wherein everyone is a guard for developing players that measure 6'6" and under, and players that are 13 and under. That way, if the kids grow taller, they might translate that agility, lateral quickness, and guard skillset to taller positions like 2, 3, and even small ball 4.

The problem with our conception of small ball here is that it means playing literally smaller players at the 3. Guys like Chan, Pogoy, Fonacier, Marcio, and Thirdy play the 3 under our conception of small ball. Actual small ball, in my view, covers only the 4 and 5 spots. So if Chan, Pogoy, Fonacier, Marcio, and Thirdy play the 3, but have guys like Pingris, RDO, Tamayo, Baltazar, Mason at the 4, and Kai, Japeth, and June Mar at the 5, that's still not small ball. A better small ball lineup would have a tall wing like Navarro or Oftana, or even Dwight, and guys like Malonzo or Brownlee at the 4. So we really have to change our conception of small ball.

[magic_chiongson]

I say Junmar's FIBA & international basketball stints were a mixture of creditable & forgettable performances. He was a non-factor in the 2013 FIBA asia Championship, a huge disappointment in the 2014 FIBA Asia Stankovic Cup, very good performance in the 2014 World Cup, & a disappointment in the 2014 Asian Games. Junmar was very good in the 2016 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. I think in the window qualifiers of the 2019 World Cup, Junmar was did fine overall. During the World Cup itself, I think he did ok, not so frustrating & nothing exemplary as well.

I think some people are just so disappointed & dissatisfied with junmar's FIBA & international basketball stint mainly becoz of high expectation him being a many time MVP in the PBA. Imagine, he holds the PBA record of the player with the most number of MVP awards (6 MVP awards). Yet in Asian basketball, he is just another big man out there (as coach Tab Baldwin put it).

i also blame his coaches & handlers as well, prior to the senegal game chot barely played him in fiba games, and austria turned him into a n exclusive post-operator in smb. had he been mentored by someone like tab in his early years he could've been something more.

[sroth3839]

i also blame his coaches & handlers as well, prior to the senegal game chot barely played him in fiba games, and austria turned him into a n exclusive post-operator in smb. had he been mentored by someone like tab in his early years he could've been something more.

Boomer coaches, bro. They never learn and still insist on 90s style offense.

[Rds]

he might not be mobile and agile, but junmar has a sweet shooting touch, could have been a stretch 5 if Austria developed him into a modern big instead as a 90s traditional
big, but hey he dominated the pba and earned so much money so not bad

This is a fallacy. Look at JFs Petron Gov cup games. He was mobile and agile. If Gee’s system was followed, we wouldve had a lighter quicker Junemar with less wear and tear. Unfortunately Gee crossed RSA’s favorite Arwind. Petron under Gee was more pace. But Arwind could not dribble the ball. He lost minutes as Petron won and became dominant. He won a hollow BPC in the conf while losing relevance every game.

Arwind cried, and Gee, despite bringing the team to a dominant season ending in a 7 game finals lost to Cone’s Sanmig Coffee, got Todd Purves and his system forced on him in the next AFC.

Junemar got injured in practice accidentally landing on Kramers foot and high flying Junemar never returned. Junemar in the middle with close to 40 mins started.

Arwind meanwhile got the license to shoot 1/9 or something for several conf just so he could play with Junemar. Not sure when his 3FG became bearable but Austria was his best friend regardless. They let go of Doug and eventually any bulky guy who could help Junemar in the paint. Eventually Junemar became heavy enough to protect the paint that Arwind was not anymore hunted in the paint.

Junemar was not destined to be heavy and slow. SMB needed him to be that so their system would work. There was a faster system before that Junemar was effective in. But it didnt involve Arwind so it had to be dropped.

[Giannis34GOD]

If you can't fool even the senile Anal, then you can't fool anyone, Robert.

I don't care who is he... Just focus what you want to believe than pointing fingers to others...