Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[JOI2dWorld]

our sports system is too americanize, i always admire the european system both in basketball and football clubs, establishing academies to develop players from their youth and slowly promoting them to first team. plus they always allow talented teens to play with senior level players even if the player is under 18, i still remember during the 2008 olympics every one was talking about ricky rubio , being a key player of the spanish national team at the age of 17 iirc, and luka doncic winning euroleague mvp at the age of 18 or 19, while our players are playing highschool basketball at this age

[Metta]

our sports system is too americanize, i always admire the european system both in basketball and football clubs, establishing academies to develop players from their youth and slowly promoting them to first team. plus they always allow talented teens to play with senior level players even if the player is under 18, i still remember during the 2008 olympics every one was talking about ricky rubio , being a key player of the spanish national team at the age of 17 iirc, and luka doncic winning euroleague mvp at the age of 18 or 19, while our players are playing highschool basketball at this age

Collegiate leagues using the "amateurism" card is a big part of it. If young players are allowed to go pro, orgs like the US NCAA will lose their best players. The G-league ignite route is still in its infancy. Europe does not have popular collegiate leagues and there are plenty of choices to play professionally so youth players there are not hesitant to turn pro and forget about school.

[DAdmiral]

The US system is actually flawed and hypocritical. Big business college programs have been taking advantage of NIL of players and forcing them to play for free .
in many many society's it's dishonest to use Universities who's focus is supposedly education to mix with big time commercial sports

Promising club players can still study wtih financial aide from clubs.

The US big programs are no different than any professional sports team they are just pretending to be amateur.

It comes with flawed consequences. Young Euro players are vastly more prepared and trained than their US counterparts. . The Philippines shoudl follow the Euro club system not the US pa amateur college system

[greenarcher]

Mike Philips should aim to be like Aaron Gordon.

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[DAdmiral]

Bam who's at best 2 inches taller than Mike isn't a bad player to imitate

[JAMSKIE]

For a guy who was tall, skilled, athletic and had a good shooting motion I could never figure why Gabe didnt try to score more. Its as if he hates scoring. I would say he was the MVP of those competitive ROS teams. He was the leagues best defender for years. He passed, dribbled up the ball and could shoot if he wanted to.

It looked to me like he was consciously limiting his game and was content to be a defender facilitator. This is funny because the other ROS scorers were low FG shooters except maybe for Paul Lee. He was so good he would play a lot of minutes despite barely scoring. I dont think there has been another PBA guard/forward like that.

I have somewhat the same opinion bro.
I think Gabe would have been a better scorer both in ROS & the national team had he been more assertive in offense. He had been passive in offense eh. I think Gabe should have drove more to the basket & score in transition more much like what Calvin Abueva, who is about 3 inches shorter than Gabe, has been doing.

At 6-foot-5 & with the athleticism & ball handling skills that he posseses, I think Gabe would be difficult to stop in the open court & even on drives.

Perhaps Gabe has been very passive in offense mainly becoz he never had a scorer's mentality even dating back to his college basketball career.

[DAdmiral]

To me Gabe for 2023 is still a more sensible choice as 12th man leader compared to Junmar.
JM only advantage is he is the poster child of the PBA and SMC, a key stakeholder to appease.

[k3ttch]

A healthy Will Navarro can take the place of Gabe.

[Rds]

Mike Philips should aim to be like Aaron Gordon.

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What I like about Aaron Gordon is that he embraced being the third top player of his team. From being a high pick and the accepted potential star of the Magic he accepted being traded to the Nuggets and playing off a guy who was picked much lower than him. He accepts that he can do a lot by being the 3rd best player in a good team rather than being the best of a bad team. Not many top picks could take that.

[JAMSKIE]

To me Gabe for 2023 is still a more sensible choice as 12th man leader compared to Junmar.
JM only advantage is he is the poster child of the PBA and SMC, a key stakeholder to appease.

I say if Junemar makes it to the World Cup final roster, he would be the least serviceable among the 12 Gilas players. Least in the sense that what he could bring to the team is something that of little value.

But I agree with U, Junemar making the team only because he is the poster boy of the PBA.

[C2Hamm]

If there is no rule , then it's the responsibility of the schools to give the special high school kid the best exposure at a higher level.
one of the unintentional consequence could be they forced the high school kid to commit to the college program. The goal shoold be to play college overseas div 1 , the early preperation exposure shoold prepare to secure a div 1 scholarship

why is it the school's responsibility? their responsibility is to give proper education despite the student focusing on his\her sport. majority if not all school teams are funded by someone\group of people outside of the school. the best the school can do is fight for the students to atleast go to class.

[DAdmiral]

why is it the school's responsibility? their responsibility is to give proper education despite the student focusing on his\her sport. majority if not all school teams are funded by someone\group of people outside of the school. the best the school can do is fight for the students to atleast go to class.

Thinking bigger purpose beyond one's primary responsibility (educational). Local basketball stakeholders for national development ideally shoold contribute to national goals beyond their own goals.
This is the difference in thought of individual capitalism as more of a socialist mindset for the better of the whole not just individual interest.

BTW I'm only referring to the very Special phenomenon like Kai and Rui (Japan), not ordinary high school players

[C2Hamm]

Thinking bigger purpose beyond one's primary responsibility (educational). Local basketball stakeholders for national development ideally shoold contribute to national goals beyond their own goals.
This is the difference in thought of individual capitalism as more of a socialist mindset for the better of the whole not just individual interest.

so lets say the school does, but the booster doesn't? how do you want each to react? the booster move to another school? because that's what's happening now if the boosters and the school does not meet eye to eye. i'm not against what you are saying, but saying "ganito dapat, ganyan dapat" doesn't really change anything.

[DAdmiral]

so lets say the school does, but the booster doesn't? how do you want each to react? the booster move to another school? because that's what's happening now if the boosters and the school does not meet eye to eye. i'm not against what you are saying, but saying "ganito dapat, ganyan dapat" doesn't really change anything.

Oh disclaimer I'm not suggesting I have a plan of how it will work or how to change things, I'm just citing what the goals shoold be . The Philippines environment and eco system is really one headache to figure out.

[reamily]

Once upon a time in 2020 our coaching staff is composed of Tab, Dickel Alex Compton and Topex Robinson... I know Chot and Josh is a sure thing (yeah you can look it as a good thing or bad thing) but from high hopes then the pandemic happened the plan b tab handlng the young team somehow almost worked and controversy within PLDT came along that we cant even organize a dry run tournament for the world cup