Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[TheRodster21]

@ ja-he , that's simply a case of the PBA leadership having incompetent policy making resulting in adverse outcomes. They do not understand that incorrect setting and design of regulations can result in uninintend consequences (low level).. no one is arguing if a league should have restrictions ( they all should), the PBA is just a bunch of amateurs in terms of professional setting policies. Or maybe the owners really want it to be that way to keep control of their wealth (self interest), same old story of countries that are governed poorly controlled by elite for self gain.

I lean towards second theory. If they really wanted to make money they would realize making the league better will bring in more revenue over the long term but would require a lot more work and resources without any guaranteed short term results. I keep seeing deals the pba keeps doing with broadcasting to other countries but interest won’t be there if the product isn’t good and there are other alternatives.

[IPC]

I lean towards second theory. If they really wanted to make money they would realize making the league better will bring in more revenue over the long term but would require a lot more work and resources without any guaranteed short term results. I keep seeing deals the pba keeps doing with broadcasting to other countries but interest won’t be there if the product isn’t good and there are other alternatives.

Making the league better means less short-term gain for them, e. Like you said, it requires a lot of work and resources without guaranteed short-term results. E, like sir DAdmiral said, maybe the owners really want it to be that way to keep control of their wealth. No short term results, no wealth.

Hay, nako. Well, hope the EASL wakes them up.

[live_evil]

Is the SBP the only authorized group to request exemption? Is it possible for a group of people/fans to pool resources and ask for FIBA exemption for Phillips and company? We know the SBP will not want to get exemption for Phillips since it will cause other leagues to get him.

[DAdmiral]

if the UAAP board is forward thinking and want's to contribute to development , it should give special exception for special high school players to play in senior competition.
if they do that the Philippines can seriously be considered as an Asian "academy" hub for developing youth players. it may even attract 15 to 17 year old FSA for high school , serious..

to think progressively , rather than be concerned about exodus of players why don't we focus instead of actually being poachers of overseas talent .. now that's forward thinking

[DAdmiral]

Is the SBP the only authorized group to request exemption? Is it possible for a group of people/fans to pool resources and ask for FIBA exemption for Phillips and company? We know the SBP will not want to get exemption for Phillips since it will cause other leagues to get him.

Only a national federation can endorse a player for FIBA central exception, and only the national federation (SBP ) for which the player wants to represent can file the request.

What the public and society should really advocate is reforms in certain industries , in this case the national federation for basketball, that is governed by self serving conglomerates at the expense of the betterment of the sport.

if you look at the NBA's history , it was player unions that pushed for reforms , previously the team owners had all powers and really had insane discriminatory unfair practice.. it takes someone to muster enough attention to call for change..

[JAMSKIE]

Mike literally has very little basketball years of professional focus development , if you look at his dribbling he only dribbles with his right .. i really think given enough repetition he can improve. I'm not expecting him to be Larry bird or magic johnson handles Lol, but certainly there is room for improvment with reps..

just thinking of what is realistic archetype for Mike ,,, hmm, maybe a dreymond green type, i noticed his vision is actually not bad... with more reps , he will be able to read the game better

I look at Mike Philipps as a big man version of a Gabe Norwood. As we saw Norwood in Gilas, he was there as a defensive wing specialist. But his offense had always been a question mark, he didn't have a decent 3-pt. shooting for a wing & he was just too passive in offense (he was not even among the best fastbreak finishers of Gilas). But becoz of Norwood's exceptional defensive skills, he had been very serviceable for Gilas. The thing is, Philippine basketball didn't have anyone who can replicate Norwood's role as a good size wing defender during the late 2000's to the late 2010's era, which made Norwood's value to the national team even greater. I say, Norwood was more valuable than a Jeff Chan, a Japeth Aguilar or even a Junmar Fajardo during the 2013 to 2019 period. (I know some will disagree)

The same might be the case of Mike Philipps. Offense wise, Philipps may never come close to the likes of a Carl Tamayo, Justin Baltazar, Jamie Malonzo or a Mason Amos (I'm talking about potential here & not the current capabilities/skills of these players), but becoz of Philipps' exceptional defensive skills & rebounding prowess, he may be as valuable or even more valuable than any of these players mentioned as far as Gilas is concerned.

[JAMSKIE]

personally i would rather he just focus on the things he does best rebound, hustle, defend. i wouldn't want him to dabble too much into ball handling because we have other players better suited for that role anyway. i'd probably want him to be a bigger pingris and develop more post moves. his vision could be used if he's used as a hub at the high post but i really wouldn't want him to be handling the ball a lot. id want him to cut and crash the offensive boards instead.

While Mike Philipps doesn't need to be a sort of a go-to-guy or a potent scorer to be serviceable to the national team as he is supposed to focus on rebounding & defense, I think its still a plus that he is also a scoring threat, somehow, so as not to cause the opposing team to "cheat" on defense. Mike Philipps having a respectable inside offense & decent medium range jumper(never mind if he will never have a decent 3-pt. shooting) would compel the opposing team's defense to cover everyone (in short honest defense) instead of doubling someone while putting little defensive pressure on Philipps.

[dubidub]

While Mike Philipps doesn't need to be a sort of a go-to-guy or a potent scorer to be serviceable to the national team as he is supposed to focus on rebounding & defense, I think its still a plus that he is also a scoring threat, somehow, so as not to cause the opposing team to "cheat" on defense. Mike Philipps having a respectable inside offense & decent medium range jumper(never mind if he will never have a decent 3-pt. shooting) would compel the opposing team's defense to cover everyone (in short honest defense) instead of doubling someone while putting little defensive pressure on Philipps.

that would be ideal but i wouldn't bank on it. if they put too little pressure on philips, i think he can score on cuts and as a roller on the PNR.

[DAdmiral]

The one offensive skill I want Philips to realistically develop is a strong roll finisher on PNR, I also want him to be an excellent screener and roller .
then mastar reads on giving hand offs , back door pass or skip kickout to shooters after a catch from a roll

Sound simple enough to be good at and realistic

[BJ_Reloaded]

An ideal pattern of play or skillset for Michael Philips is to develop that Piso-Piso baseline shot that coach Freddie Abuda are known for while playing at San Miguel. We've already seen how he keeps on improving his on-court awareness on by positioning himself properly to yank that rebound and that's for me is a perfect fit for future Gilas playbook.

[dubidub]

The one offensive skill I want Philips to realistically develop is a strong roll finisher on PNR, I also want him to be an excellent screener and roller .
then mastar reads on giving hand offs , back door pass or skip kickout to shooters after a catch from a roll

Sound simple enough to be good at and realistic

yup, this is what i envision him to be. it's realistic and it plays to his strengths. i think it's a pipedream to expect all our prospects to be able to handle the ball and shoot jumpers.

[Metta]

if the UAAP board is forward thinking and want's to contribute to development , it should give special exception for special high school players to play in senior competition.
if they do that the Philippines can seriously be considered as an Asian "academy" hub for developing youth players. it may even attract 15 to 17 year old FSA for high school , serious..

to think progressively , rather than be concerned about exodus of players why don't we focus instead of actually being poachers of overseas talent .. now that's forward thinking

I am all for this. Play Up mentality.

Too many are gaming the system and timing players careers so that they enter college in their 20s. KQ played freshman at 21, Policarpio still yet to play and Hubilla a 20 yr old 11th grader. And most who dominated high school last year are 19 or older.

KQ is only now transitioning to being a wing because he was able to play big against younger/weaker competition. Imagine if he got elevated at 15-17 and was forced to play small.

[Metta]

I'm curious, though, if the UAAP level is great for youth competition, why hasn't that level exponentially improved in the PBA? If the collegiate level is good, shouldn't that be the same with the pros?

IMO, the emergence/big leap of the UAAP is a fairly recent thing. I would say it started during that stretch when ADMU dominated (Thirdy era) and now the rest of the top teams are trying to compete and keep up, thus the arms race.

In that span of time, the very best who left college went straight to overseas leagues. Those who went to the PBA like Mamuyac, Tio, etc has been immediate impact players. Those incoming to the pba from that era like Balti, Navarro, etc are also expected to bring high quality.

It hasn't translated into the pba simply because enough time hasn't passed, and the very best are going somewhere else.

[C2Hamm]

if the UAAP board is forward thinking and want's to contribute to development , it should give special exception for special high school players to play in senior competition.

that happened decades ago with ADMU playing Stephen "Steve" Watson. i actually dont know if there is a rule specifically not allowing this to happen at this day and age.

[DAdmiral]

that happened decades ago with ADMU playing Stephen "Steve" Watson. i actually dont know if there is a rule specifically not allowing this to happen at this day and age.

If there is no rule , then it's the responsibility of the schools to give the special high school kid the best exposure at a higher level.
one of the unintentional consequence could be they forced the high school kid to commit to the college program. The goal shoold be to play college overseas div 1 , the early preperation exposure shoold prepare to secure a div 1 scholarship