Philippines Senior National Team Thread Vol. V

[JAMSKIE]

Sir Dave I simply get it..

As for seeking an audience with the Sec Gen, I think this is an opportunity as a host to do that old classic way of “While You’re here” thing. Here’s a scenario(actual event not fiction) It’s like when there’s an occasion, attending a family reunion for a relative or a close friend and everybody in that room recognized you as an IT guy and coincidentally the host’s desktop or laptop encountered some technical problem then in the middle of the merry-making he/she approaches you, “Hey buddy, while you’re here, can you check my unit it seems it’s not working properly”.

There’s an old proverb, “Sa Hapag Kainan mas maraming Napagkakasunduan”.

As I've said, we can use our 2023 FIBA World Cup hosting as a leverage for FIBA exemption on several players like Philipps, Kouame, Balungay.

[ja.he]

As I've said, we can use our 2023 FIBA World Cup hosting as a leverage for FIBA exemption on several players like Philipps, Kouame, Balungay.

But knowing SBP, the fed lacks the foresight and strategy to make those things you have mentioned. They would rather have Junemar and Japeth or stubbornly try the exemption to JC, which we all know, is already a longshot given the facts surrounding it.

I am glad if proven wrong.

[DAdmiral]

To be fair I think they have the smarts naman (the Philippines hasn't had issues with lack of smarts) it's the self interest , so decisions aren't driven by what's best for basketball, but for financial interst of a few to keep control. For crying out loud the head of the SBP heads a conlglomerate that owns like 1/3 of PBA teams., talk about super conflict of interest.. I.mean honestly SMC didn't just give money for the WC for nothing in return. So messed up really...

[IPC]

To be fair I think they have the smarts naman (the Philippines hasn't had issues with lack of smarts) it's the self interest , so decisions aren't driven by what's best for basketball, but for financial interst of a few to keep control. For crying out loud the head of the SBP heads a conlglomerate that owns like 1/3 of PBA teams., talk about super conflict of interest.. I.mean honestly SMC didn't just give money for the WC for nothing in return. So messed up really...

My thoughts exactly on SBP. Although I keep calling them morons, they have the brains naman. It's just that they keep doing the same shit they do for their self-interest, even if it may also be in their interest to do what's best for the sport.

That's kinda why I want the Panlilio-Vargas gang and SMC out of SBP after the WC. Self-interest leading to moronic moves.

[live_evil]

You can't expect an idiot like Panlilio to have foresight. He only exists to lick the ball of Chua. SBP should file for exemptions as soon as possible for Kouame and Phillips. They are going to be game changers at the Asian level where we can be kings again if China doesn't bribe the referees again. Sage Tolentino should be pursued too. I don't see him going to the NBA with his current play.

[DAdmiral]

The thing to note unlike other federations head , Yao , Boucher who are real basketball minds , the SBP Heads are NOT, they really do not have the mindset of what's best for the sport and development, they are conglomerates with commercial interests. So essentially they are BOBO in the basketball field, many of you here know the value more of a Philips over a Junmar. In their eyes they see a 6 time PBA legend vs a college student . LoL

[DAdmiral]

Ito lang,,, if you were to present a proposal on the merits of investing money to naturalize Kouame or Brownlee it would look like this :

A. Brownlee , , 3 years max serviceability, (we have a pool of ineligibles, Clarkson, Harper jr etc who can serve as NP currently and in the future , note our ineligibles are mostly Brownlee size not centers over 6'10)

B. Kouame- 12 years serviceability , he fills a need at center that we have little ineligibles who can fill , Kouame cause of his basketball heritage and age is is a realistic option to be exempted.

Now anyone with half a brain , think strategically which is the better use of time and money investment ? C'mon this is pang grade 1..

now obviously this is already done, but look at the future moving forward, would you invest in a 35 yr old 6' 5 import to naturalize via congress, or would you have development program to attract youth 7 foot centers like Tolentino , African kids and bring them as teenagers to the Philippines to eventually naturalize them.. isip lang , this is basic investment development planning 101 ...

[Brown Bones]

If I where SBP, i will push for Kouame to get an exemption, he fits the bill. He’s been playing here in Pinas ( tagal na ) and most people in his community can easily relate to him.

[cocoyg]

Don't expect SBP to file fil-for youngsters for exemption as locals. They wouldn't risk losing them to foreign leagues (B. League). They'll probably file for exemption once they're in the PBA.

[DAdmiral]

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/jordan-clarkson-justin-brownlee-naturalized-player-gilas-pilipinas-2023-fiba-basketball-world-cup-a793-20230526?utm_source=Facebook-Spin&utm_medium=Ownshare&utm_campaign=20230526-fbnp-basketball-jordan-clarkson-justin-brownlee-naturalized-player-gilas-pilipinas-2023-fiba-basketball-world-cup-a793-20230526-fbfirst

Meanwhile this is what they're thinking, not realizing that both Kouame and Philipps have higher chances . But they won't try the two , but will Brownlee..

Sige Vargas , self interest pa the more .

At least they recognize No blood Brownlee naturalized via congress Brownlee has a better chance than entnicity Pinoy Clarkson with no residency.

And here is the thing , Brownlee after 3 years will be useless , sayang sa pabor ng sec general

[DAdmiral]

BTW in my opinion it's easier to get a FIBA exception than it is to naturalized via congress, 3 NP in 12 years, while over 10 FIBA exceptions in 12 years. understand the implications of this in terms of strategy approach

[DAdmiral]

Honestly it's blatant incompetence negligence if they apply for Brownlee exceptions and not Kouame's

[zuma169]

While I do agree for a long term program Kouame is the more viable option for exception, let us first look at the context.. what they are talking about is the NOW.. what is best and possible NOW.. and if we can both have brownlee and clarkson at the same time WHY NOT.. un lang naman eh.. let's not overreact that it is kabobohan in SBPs part.. NOW- what can a kouame contribute when we have sotto, edu, fajardo, japeth? the same actually.. yes in the long run kouame is desperately needed. but again we are talking about the NOW.. and with clarkson and brownlee, we have additional offensive firepower at the guard and wing area.. BTW, haven't we been talking for the longest time that what we are lacking is actually a good wing player..

see i am not against localizing ange.. in fact i am all in for it.. but let us put everything into context first.. it is the NOW we are talking about.. with a scottie thompson, jordan clarkson, justin brownlee, AJ Edu (assuming he can be at least 70% serviceable) or Japeth and kai sotto.. except for AJ Edu, all of them can shoot anywhere on the court.. AJ before was a rim protector and add kai in the mix.. plus brownlee and scottie are decent defenders.. clarkson, while defense is suspect, is a superior scorer in this level not to mention brownlee..

not to menton the likes of Malonzo, Parks, Dwight, CJ Perez (hoping he is focused and consistent)

[ja.he]

While I do agree for a long term program Kouame is the more viable option for exception, let us first look at the context.. what they are talking about is the NOW.. what is best and possible NOW.. and if we can both have brownlee and clarkson at the same time WHY NOT.. un lang naman eh.. let's not overreact that it is kabobohan in SBPs part.. NOW- what can a kouame contribute when we have sotto, edu, fajardo, japeth? the same actually.. yes in the long run kouame is desperately needed. but again we are talking about the NOW.. and with clarkson and brownlee, we have additional offensive firepower at the guard and wing area.. BTW, haven't we been talking for the longest time that what we are lacking is actually a good wing player..

see i am not against localizing ange.. in fact i am all in for it.. but let us put everything into context first.. it is the NOW we are talking about.. with a scottie thompson, jordan clarkson, justin brownlee, AJ Edu (assuming he can be at least 70% serviceable) or Japeth and kai sotto.. except for AJ Edu, all of them can shoot anywhere on the court.. AJ before was a rim protector and add kai in the mix.. plus brownlee and scottie are decent defenders.. clarkson, while defense is suspect, is a superior scorer in this level not to mention brownlee..

not to menton the likes of Malonzo, Parks, Dwight, CJ Perez (hoping he is focused and consistent)

Now, Junemar is already old, super slow and a liability in defense. Now, Japeth is also old and still inconsistent. People still believe that these two can produce at the world level? With Kouame and Mike Philips, you will have two young athletic and rebounding bigmen with decent defense

For me, have all Kouame, Philips, Clarkson and Brownlee be included in the 24-man pool.

[DAdmiral]

Sorry plain and simple it's BOBO, that's of course if the SBP has a professional framework for evaluating making good decisions.

if the decision makers has to justify their decision to a board they would fail miserably.

Here are few factors that have to be considered.
1. Naturalizing via congress is actually very rare and costly ( we've only had 3 in past 12 years, this is far from an instant noodle thing

2. Despite Kai and AJ presence, Gilas still has a waterloo at center , we're significantly light at center.. Especially long term, AJ and Kai are not certain long term available (AJ may retire sooner then expected due to injury)

3. Kouame serviceability is 12 years, Brownlee is max 3.

4. Most of our good potential ineligibles , Harper Jr etc are Brownlee size and role

5. The WC while once in a generation event is just 1 event (don't put all eggs in 1 event and break the bank for the future ), and objectively analysis even if we had Brownlee there is no guarantee we will qualify for the Olympics..

This decision would never pass if assessed by a board thst had a framework ceiteria on valiue assessment. Unfortunately that's to much to expect from the incompetence of SBP